DC Films news: new Robin film “Dynamic Duo” announced

[Metallo]

Kirby’s style has seen great success with Ragnarok and black panther so I think they’ll go for it. WB probably sees this as a chance to do something like Panther, Ragnarok, and Guardians all in one movie with a similar style. Snyder didn’t really embrace it the way those films did so I think in order to distance themselves from his failures they’ll try something new visually.

Marvels movies like Thor and Panther have had those Shakespearean touches which were also in the comics before and New Gods has them as well with stuff like Royal drama, betrayals, family conflict, etc. I think if this happens we will see a lot of that with the complicated family ties between Orion, Darksied, Highfather, Steppenwolf, Scott Free, Kalibak, etc.

[crazy_asian_man]

Mar 15, 2018 20:00:27 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Kirby’s style has seen great success with Ragnarok and black panther so I think they’ll go for it. WB probably sees this as a chance to do something like Panther, Ragnarok, and Guardians all in one movie with a similar style. Snyder didn’t really embrace it the way those films did so I think in order to distance themselves from his failures they’ll try something new visually.

Marvels movies like Thor and Panther have had those Shakespearean touches which were also in the comics before and New Gods has them as well with stuff like Royal drama, betrayals, family conflict, etc. I think if this happens we will see a lot of that with the complicated family ties between Orion, Darksied, Highfather, Steppenwolf, Scott Free, Kalibak, etc.

I certainly hope that they go for the Kirby visuals. I just rewatched Thor 3 and JL- and was so turned off by Snyder's interpretation of Kirby- ugly and dark, versus Thor 3's intentional tribute to the Kirby look.

An opinion piece in Aintitcoolnews has a similar worry, based on "Wrinkle in Time" (which I haven't seen yet) - in which apparently the specific visuals from the source material was ignored, and the author of the article worries that Ava will also do the same for New Gods.

Here's hoping that if the New Gods' film disappoints, that there be money allocated for a proper animated film that is faithful to the best parts of the New Gods at the very least....

[Metallo]

That’s what burns me. Snyder and his fanboys say the film is just out of the comics but the mother boxes in the film looked more like the cube from Avengers instead of the handheld rectangular computers from the comics.

Steppenwolf in BvS looked more like a bug. At least in the final film they tried to bring him more in line with the comics. Whatever DuVernay does I think it’ll be different from Snyder.

[Metallo]

Shazam logo.

[crazy_asian_man]

Attended a panel at Wondercon where everyone on the panel said two things about "Wrinkle in Time" (1) yea for the diversity in it , but (2) damn, it's too bad the movie is horrible.

Got a bad feeling about Ava....

[Metallo]

So glad she turned down black panther. I never felt she was right for these kinds of movies because she doesn’t have any of the necessarily experience and I get the feeling she’s gonna want to do it her way instead of being a team player. She seems like she’s more suited to smaller dramas where she can put her stamp on it. The days of being an auteur or calling your own shots on big movies like this are pretty much over. I think we all knew Zemeckis was never going to direct Flash for that reason.

[crazy_asian_man]

Mar 29, 2018 10:16:07 GMT -5 Metallo said:

So glad she turned down black panther. I never felt she was right for these kinds of movies because she doesn’t have any of the necessarily experience and I get the feeling she’s gonna want to do it her way instead of being a team player. She seems like she’s more suited to smaller dramas where she can put her stamp on it. The days of being an auteur or calling your own shots on big movies like this are pretty much over. I think we all knew Zemeckis was never going to direct Flash for that reason.

I'm surprised that Singer came out and said that in SR Warner Bros (pretty much) let him do whatever he wanted for final cut.

I imagine that Snyder must have gotten a similar deal- at least in the beginning. I did find it (somewhat) odd that WB let Nolan do so much, but wouldn't let him kill off Bruce Wayne to wrap up "Dark Knight Returns", given the box office of TDK.

In any case, with WB's disappointment with the current movies' box office.... yeah, I agree- I think it's unlikely that WB let a director have as much freedom anymore for a big film.

With Feige, Joss Whedon's said that the creative restrictions of what Feige wanted were up front, but at least they didn't change several times, unlike how he was treated when he did "Dollhouse".

[Metallo]

Mar 29, 2018 19:17:01 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Mar 29, 2018 10:16:07 GMT -5 Metallo said:

So glad she turned down black panther. I never felt she was right for these kinds of movies because she doesn’t have any of the necessarily experience and I get the feeling she’s gonna want to do it her way instead of being a team player. She seems like she’s more suited to smaller dramas where she can put her stamp on it. The days of being an auteur or calling your own shots on big movies like this are pretty much over. I think we all knew Zemeckis was never going to direct Flash for that reason.

I'm surprised that Singer came out and said that in SR Warner Bros (pretty much) let him do whatever he wanted for final cut.

I imagine that Snyder must have gotten a similar deal- at least in the beginning. I did find it (somewhat) odd that WB let Nolan do so much, but wouldn't let him kill off Bruce Wayne to wrap up "Dark Knight Returns", given the box office of TDK.

In any case, with WB's disappointment with the current movies' box office.... yeah, I agree- I think it's unlikely that WB let a director have as much freedom anymore for a big film.

With Feige, Joss Whedon's said that the creative restrictions of what Feige wanted were up front, but at least they didn't change several times, unlike how he was treated when he did "Dollhouse".

If you think that’s bad imagine how he feels about WB compared to marvel studios. Marvels suceeding because they map out their plan early on before filming. The dont do much second guessing during or after filming. It saved Antman.

DCs never liked the status quo changed too much in their adaptations. They really handcuffed the cartoons with what they could and couldn’t do with characters.

MOS was retrofitted into being part of a shared universe. I think that’s why Snyder got so much freedom. I doubt they’d let him have Superman kill Zod now.

[Metallo]

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[crazy_asian_man]

Some of those look VERY cool!
The inclusion of Steve Trevor as a young guy in 1984 seems to confirm my suspicions: that (unless he's a clone created by Cheetah?) his 'bath' in Paradise Island kept him looking young forever, much like Diana.

Still feel that Aquaman- as- biker look is hard to go with still. Couldn't he have at least had the blonde hair?
But.... yep, Mera looks perfect as comic book come to life!

[Metallo]

I’m wondering how he survived that plane explosion. Did he jump? Divine intervention? You didn’t see the explosion from inside the plane so there are ways. My problem is it seems like she’s been mourning Steve for almost 100 years and that that was the last time she saw him. She also seemed to imply she’d not done this kind of stuff for 100 years. Wonder Woman 84 seems to contradict both of those ideas but maybe they’ve worked around it in a clever way.

Amber Heard is filling out that suit isn’t she? I like black mantas helmet. I wonder what Wan would have done if he had free reign and didn’t have to build off of any of the Snyder aesthetic for the Atlanteans?

[crazy_asian_man]

Jun 17, 2018 11:50:00 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I’m wondering how he survived that plane explosion. Did he jump? Divine intervention? You didn’t see the explosion from inside the plane so there are ways. My problem is it seems like she’s been mourning Steve for almost 100 years and that that was the last time she saw him. She also seemed to imply she’d not done this kind of stuff for 100 years. Wonder Woman 84 seems to contradict both of those ideas but maybe they’ve worked around it in a clever way.

Amber Heard is filling out that suit isn’t she? I like black mantas helmet. I wonder what Wan would have done if he had free reign and didn’t have to build off of any of the Snyder aesthetic for the Atlanteans?

If Pine's contract was already for sequels (and it probably was), then I imagine that's why his death was off-screen/ potentially part of WW's imagination, so that the door was open to having him not actually die.

Having WW in "BvS" as having been 'underground' for almost a hundred years does pose weird complicated things if they did want to keep what's been established in BvS and JL.

I vaguely remember Geoff Johns being involved with the script- if so, hopefully he found a loophole.... but it better be good... and I do wonder why- out of all the timeframes, they felt it necessary to land the movie in 1984. Hmp.

[Metallo]

It highlights the problems with the dceu. It’s clear what Snyder’s backstory for Wonder Woman was but it’s also clear that Jenkins and johns decided to tweak it. It was obvious by the way Wonder Woman spoke of Steve he’d been dead for a long time. A lot longer than 30 or 40 years. Batman talked about her shutting herself off because of her dead boyfriend. The photograph is another clue of that. Why would that be so important to her if she reunited with him decades later? The photo was meant to represent one of the last happy times she had with him. It’s just like the retconning of Superman in JL.

[crazy_asian_man]

Jun 18, 2018 16:12:46 GMT -5 Metallo said:

It highlights the problems with the dceu. It’s clear what Snyder’s backstory for Wonder Woman was but it’s also clear that Jenkins and johns decided to tweak it. It was obvious by the way Wonder Woman spoke of Steve he’d been dead for a long time. A lot longer than 30 or 40 years. Batman talked about her shutting herself off because of her dead boyfriend. The photograph is another clue of that. Why would that be so important to her if she reunited with him decades later? The photo was meant to represent one of the last happy times she had with him. It’s just like the retconning of Superman in JL.

They might as well just ignore JL's continuity at this point.... but it's bothersome because WW opens as if it happens right after BvS- much better if they never tied it together so that it frees up WW/Steve Trevor's storylines.

Curious for sure how they solve this in the story....

[Metallo]

JL ignored parts of BvS and mos so why not? Jesus it’s hilarious at this point. It’s why I’m praying for a reboot. It’s just building on top of a mess. They’ll never be able to retcon away their awful Luthor

[crazy_asian_man]

Jun 19, 2018 11:51:51 GMT -5 Metallo said:

JL ignored parts of BvS and mos so why not? Jesus it’s hilarious at this point. It’s why I’m praying for a reboot. It’s just building on top of a mess. They’ll never be able to retcon away their awful Luthor

As you've said before, it feels like WB is just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks.
It could have been a universe just as good as Marvel, but, oh well.....

[Metallo]

Even when marvel had some inconsistencies they tried to address them (the consultant short, Odins fake infinity gauntlet). I wonder if dc will do the same. With some stuff it’s going to be difficult especially as they distance themselves even more from Snyder.

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I'm probably in the minority, but I don't care about continuity being thrown out the window if the film is enjoyable. 

[Metallo]

I don’t care if it’s minor but when it’s glaring it’s absurd imo. That’s where dc is getting. If youre going to change things that much why not do a hard reboot?

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Jun 21, 2018 18:24:38 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I don’t care if it’s minor but when it’s glaring it’s absurd imo. That’s where dc is getting. If your going to change things that much why not do a hard reboot?

Hey, you're not going to get an answer out of me, Warner Brothers doesn't exactly have a great track record with their superhero films or caring about continuity. 

[crazy_asian_man]

Jun 20, 2018 19:28:20 GMT -5 @roffellamo said:

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't care about continuity being thrown out the window if the film is enjoyable. 

If a movie is spectacular, I feel it forgives a lot.

"X-men: 1st Class" broke a lot of continuity- and even changed some things totally unnecessary to change (Alex Summers as the older brother to Scott Summers)... but I loved so much of it, that I didn't care.

On the flip side- if a movie is mediocre, continuity errors (especially ones that don't have to happen) makes me even more irritated, I find...

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Yeah. Well, I hated Justice League and loved First Class. I agree with your assessment. 

[Metallo]

Jun 21, 2018 21:04:04 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Jun 20, 2018 19:28:20 GMT -5 @roffellamo said:

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't care about continuity being thrown out the window if the film is enjoyable. 

If a movie is spectacular, I feel it forgives a lot.

"X-men: 1st Class" broke a lot of continuity- and even changed some things totally unnecessary to change (Alex Summers as the older brother to Scott Summers)... but I loved so much of it, that I didn't care.

On the flip side- if a movie is mediocre, continuity errors (especially ones that don't have to happen) makes me even more irritated, I find...

The X-men films never kept continuity straight though. The big issues started with FC but it was happening from the start. Hank McCoy was human looking in his x2 cameo but he’s full on blue fur in the last stand. X-men origins retconned elements of wolverines origin from X-men and X2. The timeline Xavier laid out in the first movie doesn’t match origins at all. I could forgive most of that but the movie was crap. I can’t blame first class for doing what all The X-men movies did. Singer just never cared about keeping it straight. No one at fox did. These movies were never designed to be part of a shared universe they were always more director driven so I gave up a long time ago.

[crazy_asian_man]

Jun 22, 2018 11:42:39 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Jun 21, 2018 21:04:04 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

If a movie is spectacular, I feel it forgives a lot.

"X-men: 1st Class" broke a lot of continuity- and even changed some things totally unnecessary to change (Alex Summers as the older brother to Scott Summers)... but I loved so much of it, that I didn't care.

On the flip side- if a movie is mediocre, continuity errors (especially ones that don't have to happen) makes me even more irritated, I find...

The X-men films never kept continuity straight though. The big issues started with FC but it was happening from the start. Hank McCoy was human looking in his x2 cameo but he’s full on blue fur in the last stand. X-men origins retconned elements of wolverines origin from X-men and X2. The timeline Xavier laid out in the first movie doesn’t match origins at all. I could forgive most of that but the movie was crap. I can’t blame first class for doing what all The X-men movies did. Singer just never cared about keeping it straight. No one at fox did. These movies were never designed to be part of a shared universe they were always more director driven so I gave up a long time ago.

Can't really argue with those, but- I think the thing is with the X-men in particular, with so much material, I think it really needed a focused approach if they were going to make a proper franchise out of it. A little more care I think would have expanded its box office even more...