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Post by Metallo on Sept 22, 2018 20:22:50 GMT -5
  Looks like it is indeed *a* look he wears in the film at some point. Very Cesar Romero meets Jack Nicholson meets Heath Ledger. Gotta say I like it. A lot more than Letos anyway. If this were the final look I’d be happy with it. If this film is any good it might be best if they make Matt Reeves Batman movie a complete reboot and have his Batman take on this Joker. I wonder if their plan going forward will be period films? Wonder Woman 1984, Joker in the 80s, Supergirl in the 70s, maybe a Batman film in the 90s? It’s worked for Fox’s X-men. While I like what I’ve seen of this so far I do think they’re too reliant on the joker. I don’t think they have faith in most of Batman’s other villains to make big money. I like how the Spider-Man films have used different bad guys in all the movies. The only one they repeated was the Harry Osborn Goblin. Personally while I like the idea of "Elseworld" movies I'd rather they get their normal movies sorted out first. Space out Joker movies and appearances. It feels like we’ve seen him too often in the last few years. I know he sells but it gets stale creatively speaking. Dark knight was just ten years ago. Todd Phillips “Joker” is them clearly trying to get back that dark knight prestige. The whole problem with Joker recently and why I’m not crazy about most joker story over the last ten years after dark knight is it's a game of oneupmanship. Their idea of a good story is making joker crazier and more murderous every time. That gets tired to me. "Joker cut his perma-smile? Ok. Let's have him cut off his own face." Every joker story now has to be more psycho than the last one with the next version trying to top the previous ones. Hopefully Phillips film avoids that pitfall and focuses most on telling a great interesting story first. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 23, 2018 1:00:43 GMT -5
Looks like it is indeed *a* look he wears in the film at some point. Very Cesar Romero meets Jack Nicholson meets Heath Ledger. Gotta say I like it. A lot more than Letos anyway. If this were the final look I’d be happy with it. If this film is any good it might be best if they make Matt Reeves Batman movie a complete reboot and have his Batman take on this Joker. I wonder if their plan going forward will be period films? Wonder Woman 1984, Joker in the 80s, Supergirl in the 70s, maybe a Batman film in the 90s? It’s worked for Fox’s X-men. While I like what I’ve seen of this so far I do think they’re too reliant on the joker. I don’t think they have faith in most of Batman’s other villains to make big money. I like how the Spider-Man films have used different bad guys in all the movies. The only one they repeated was the Harry Osborn Goblin. Personally while I like the idea of "Elseworld" movies I'd rather they get their normal movies sorted out first. Space out Joker movies and appearances. It feels like we’ve seen him too often in the last few years. I know he sells but it gets stale creatively speaking. Dark knight was just ten years ago. Todd Phillips “Joker” is them clearly trying to get back that dark knight prestige. The whole problem with Joker recently and why I’m not crazy about most joker story over the last ten years after dark knight is it's a game of oneupmanship. Their idea of a good story is making joker crazier and more murderous every time. That gets tired to me. "Joker cut his perma-smile? Ok. Let's have him cut off his own face." Every joker story now has to be more psycho than the last one with the next version trying to top the previous ones. Hopefully Phillips film avoids that pitfall and focuses most on telling a great interesting story first. I think the problem with so many versions of a character coming out so close to one another is emotional investment and impact. The DCEU and Fox movies' continuity is a pretty big mess. Fox maybe not as bad because it's (pretty much) one franchise, but with WB/DC all over the map, it just makes me appreciate the general consistency of the MCU more, more, and more.... |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 23, 2018 10:45:44 GMT -5
I think Fox’s is worse because they expect us to believe it’s all one continuity. Even before the DOFP time reset. After it gave them a chance to get it right from that point on they just made it worse. At least with DC they are openly saying it’s differenf universes and different continuities with the use of the multiverse concept on screen as well as the “Worlds of DC” branding.
But you’re right in that it’s hard to get invested when a new version comes along every couple of years. Seems like the last one was just on screen and there’s no time to let that hunger for a new take grow. I think that’s one thing that’s hurt Superman. He hasn’t really been off screen in the last...45 years...with some new version on the big or small screen. Sometimes they run concurrently. Even in live action the the biggest gap of the last 40 years was the four year gap between Lois & Clark and Smallville.
We've had Leto, Ledger, Gotham’s Jerome, and Phoenixs Joker in a little over a decade. I know WB loves pimping Batman but I think we might be in for some serious bat fatigue if most of these upcoming king projects aren’t good. I have my doubts the Leto Joker solo movie will happen now but if it does that’s even more over exposure for the character.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 23, 2018 19:43:29 GMT -5
I think Fox’s is worse because they expect us to believe it’s all one continuity. Even before the DOFP time reset. After it gave them a chance to get it right from that point on they just made it worse. At least with DC they are openly saying it’s differenf universes and different continuities with the use of the multiverse concept on screen as well as the “Worlds of DC” branding. But you’re right in that it’s hard to get invested when a new version comes along every couple of years. Seems like the last one was just on screen and there’s no time to let that hunger for a new take grow. I think that’s one thing that’s hurt Superman. He hasn’t really been off screen in the last...45 years...with some new version on the big or small screen. Sometimes they run concurrently. Even in live action the the biggest gap of the last 40 years was the four year gap between Lois & Clark and Smallville. We've had Leto, Ledger, Gotham’s Jerome, and Phoenixs Joker in a little over a decade. I know WB loves pimping Batman but I think we might be in for some serious bat fatigue if most of these upcoming king projects aren’t good. I have my doubts the Leto Joker solo movie will happen now but if it does that’s even more over exposure for the character. It's a pity that the market for the X-men movies isn't strong enough to support pushing Singer into taking all those X-men films (and spinoffs) and doing a massive re-edit/rework to make all those X-men/Wolverine movies one cohesive piece of art. I guess if you own the rights to them all (like Lucas did before he sold the Star Wars films), you could do something like that- but also I think it's hard to find too many directors interested in going back to a project that would be that huge, and a studio that would invest the movie required to fix it up after the fact.... |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 23, 2018 21:37:22 GMT -5
Fan editors to your stations! That’s one plus of being a fan now. You can do it yourself. Saw an interesting idea that edited all
Three evil dead films into one long film and that’s something I’ve wanted to do for years.
Someone could recut the X-men films and change certain things so that they flow together better. Lucas did it officially with Star Wars as you said but I think some people’s problem with him was he seemed more concerned with making the OT fit with the prequels instead of the other way around. Sometimes it was more practical to do it that way but sometimes he could have done it the way people would have preferred.
I always wanted to recut the Highlander films to make the ones that could fit together fit. It’d actually be pretty easy. I’ve some pretty creative fan edits online.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 23, 2018 22:40:37 GMT -5
Fan editors to your stations! That’s one plus of being a fan now. You can do it yourself. Saw an interesting idea that edited all Three evil dead films into one long film and that’s something I’ve wanted to do for years. Someone could recut the X-men films and change certain things so that they flow together better. Lucas did it officially with Star Wars as you said but I think some people’s problem with him was he seemed more concerned with making the OT fit with the prequels instead of the other way around. Sometimes it was more practical to do it that way but sometimes he could have done it the way people would have preferred. I always wanted to recut the Highlander films to make the ones that could fit together fit. It’d actually be pretty easy. I’ve some pretty creative fan edits online. I do enjoy reading what people have done- sometimes even more than spending the actual time to see them (as time is a premium though you wouldn't be able to tell from all my postings here)  The good/bad about Lucas' somewhat narrow focus is that he was passionate about his films, even if he did more damage than good to his old work. Still.... I'm grateful for how Lucas' Star Wars led the way (and eventually opened the door) for Hollywood to take big risks on fantasy- and sequewayed over to helping more superhero films to get made, beyond just Superman and Batman, in an indirect way. Singer is able to do a number of things and maybe because he wasn't just focused on X-men.... it was good and bad for the fans in the long run. Still--- a few REALLY great X-men films and a fascinating attempt at rebooting Donner's Superman.... what more can anyone ask? |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 25, 2018 9:45:45 GMT -5
Lucas used to have passion but I think the massive success of Star Wars was a blessing and a curse. It may have been the beginning of the end of the ambitious hungry filmmaker Lucas used to be. They say money is the root of all evil and greed and ego certainly are negative traits. I think he was passionate but that passion shifted. His ambition became more about the technology and the special effects but he forgot the core of Star Wars that those things were built around.
I think it can be good for a director to do different kinds of movies between their big budget franchise entires. Nolan did it and we got Dark Knight. Singer did it and we got DOFP. I think it keeps the creative energies flowing and gives a fresh perspective. Doing nothing but these kinds of movies back to back can burn a creator out.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 25, 2018 9:46:34 GMT -5
 Looks like the other look might be his final look or a big part of his evolution. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 26, 2018 12:55:22 GMT -5
Looks like the other look might be his final look or a big part of his evolution. I'm mixed on the success of this. I'd rather precious resources be used by studios on the superhero films I'd want to see- if stuff like Suicide Squad and villain standalone movies hit big, I could see support from within a studio splinter or go off on wrong directions for the DCEU movies |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 7, 2018 12:37:04 GMT -5
I’m mixed too. I’d rather they get their house in order before going off on other tangents but I also see the potential in mixing Deadpool’s low budget low risk R rated appeal with the critical praise of dark knight.
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Post by Metallo on Oct 7, 2018 13:07:10 GMT -5
I think it looks...good. Entertaining at the very least. Love the use of color (thank God Snyder is gone) and the different locations and set pieces. Wans definitely doing his job as director.
Just tired of the same old cliched lines and moments in every Hollywood movie and trailer. Saw the “hero” line at the end coming from a mile away. The bridge between two worlds line was so predictable. This generation of screenwriters blows. They just rip each other off. Can they at least find way to say the same thing but differently? I know they want their formulaic trailer moments but audiences are more sophisticated than they give them credit for. It’s why the DCEU is on the ropes right now.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 8, 2018 3:41:48 GMT -5
I think it looks...good. Entertaining at the very least. Love the use of color (thank God Snyder is gone) and the different locations and set pieces. Wans definitely doing his job as director. Just tired of the same old cliched lines and moments in every Hollywood movie and trailer. Saw the “hero” line at the end coming from a mile away. The bridge between two worlds line was so predictable. This generation of screenwriters blows. They just rip each other off. Can they at least find way to say the same thing but differently? I know they want their formulaic trailer moments but audiences are more sophisticated than they give them credit for. It’s why the DCEU is on the ropes right now. Right...I get that vibe with this, too- GOOD. Not necessarily great. Maybe an expensive looking Antman & Wasp-level movie. I know they want to stay away from dark and shallow, but why go bright and shallow? There are SO many great tv and screenwriters, you'd think some more money would go in that direction... |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 8, 2018 17:33:59 GMT -5
I think right now they’re just hoping this will be fun and successful if not very high quality. They really need it to be a hit and are probably going for the lowest common denominator in terms of material to please the most people. Batman Forever is the best example of what I’m thinking of just more modern.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 8, 2018 19:28:42 GMT -5
I think right now they’re just hoping this will be fun and successful if not very high quality. They really need it to be a hit and are probably going for the lowest common denominator in terms of material to please the most people. Batman Forever is the best example of what I’m thinking of just more modern. I'm thinking that the studios are forgetting that audiences actually respond well if there's actually some weight to the story's characters. Something can be fun and have parts that actually have some meaning at the same time. To me, STM is a classic because of the fun but also because of the bits of depth here and there with Jonathan's death, Jor-el's final 'talk' to his son, Clark's struggle to fit in, etc.- |
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Post by atp on Oct 9, 2018 0:08:37 GMT -5
I think it looks...good. Entertaining at the very least. Love the use of color (thank God Snyder is gone) and the different locations and set pieces. Wans definitely doing his job as director. Just tired of the same old cliched lines and moments in every Hollywood movie and trailer. Saw the “hero” line at the end coming from a mile away. The bridge between two worlds line was so predictable. This generation of screenwriters blows. They just rip each other off. Can they at least find way to say the same thing but differently? I know they want their formulaic trailer moments but audiences are more sophisticated than they give them credit for. It’s why the DCEU is on the ropes right now. Looks like the same atory as Man of Steel!!! - Bridge between two worlds was in MoS - Atlantis rising = terraforming - Villains in armour - Rescuong submarine = oil rig scene in MoS - Scenes looking like the World Engine in MoS - heat vision - a key that unlocks a hologram - fortress in the wilderness Etc. Etc. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 9, 2018 11:53:12 GMT -5
As long as it doesn't have: #1: A scene of his dad getting attacked by a sharknado #2: A scene of the main character as a whiny teen saying, "You're not my real dad"! #3: A scene of the character callously using innocent bystanders as human shields #4: A scene of the lead two characters kissing and quipping in a just-decimated city Then, I think it avoids a lot of the MOS territory.... so, there's that. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 9, 2018 15:23:02 GMT -5
www.joblo.com/movie-news/dc-taps-james-gunn-to-write-and-possibly-direct-suicide-squad-2-295It makes sense since the version of Suicide Squad we got was clearly inspired by the success of Guardians of The Galaxy. It was similar right down to criminals joining together to fight a greater threat, the use of retro songs, and heavy doses of comedy. We even got Deadshot seeing a false vision of his daughter somewhat similar to Star Lords vision of his mother just as they’re about to defeat the villain. The finished movie was a series of Music videos loosely spliced together with a story blatantly stolen from at least half a dozen better films. This would be a cake walk for Gunn but he’s too good to have to use everything someone else laid down. GOTG was stand alone enough that he didn’t have to use all characters who were cast in previous films. Would WB give Gunn enough freedom to do his version of the Squad with a new lineup and some new actors? Obviously some holdovers will happen like Smiths Deadshot and Robbies Harley but if he wanted to could he use saaaay...King Shark instead of Killer Croc or Killer Frost instead of Katana? Could it be a heist film or assassination film instead of a save the world from a skybeam film? Would he be allowed to make the style and tone of it completely different from the awkward mishmashed styles of Snyder, Ayer, and WB that the first film had? If so it could be something interesting.
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Post by Metallo on Oct 9, 2018 15:29:12 GMT -5
I think it looks...good. Entertaining at the very least. Love the use of color (thank God Snyder is gone) and the different locations and set pieces. Wans definitely doing his job as director. Just tired of the same old cliched lines and moments in every Hollywood movie and trailer. Saw the “hero” line at the end coming from a mile away. The bridge between two worlds line was so predictable. This generation of screenwriters blows. They just rip each other off. Can they at least find way to say the same thing but differently? I know they want their formulaic trailer moments but audiences are more sophisticated than they give them credit for. It’s why the DCEU is on the ropes right now. Looks like the same atory as Man of Steel!!! - Bridge between two worlds was in MoS - Atlantis rising = terraforming - Villains in armour - Rescuong submarine = oil rig scene in MoS - Scenes looking like the World Engine in MoS - heat vision - a key that unlocks a hologram - fortress in the wilderness Etc. Etc. Not only that but I could just watch Thor and Black Panther again. Aquaman looks like the exact same movie. Reluctant hero who must take up the throne. Culture shock from interacting with the outside world. Political intrigue. Family betrayal. Family fighting over the throne. Dead or dying royal parent. It's all rehashed Shakespeare. Mostly Hamlet. Aqua man is just rehashing the rehash. Aquaman is Thor is Black Panther. Ocean Master is Loki is Killmonger. Even MOS was nothing more than a ripoff of better movies. It was Superman I and II smashed together with the first Transformers movie and Star Trek 09. The Codex was the Allspark. Zod was Megatron. The bit about Kryptonian technology being used to terraform Earth into a new Krypton was taken from Superman Returns. Even the bridge between two worlds line was used to describe young Clark who was picked on for being different in school just like young Spock. Probably not a coincidence that Orci and Kurtzman both wrote Star Trek and transformers. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 15, 2018 22:13:02 GMT -5
www.joblo.com/movie-news/warner-bros-pushes-production-on-the-flash-back-as-they-eye-a-2021-release-116Jesus.  Just drop this movie from the schedule. It’s just been one problem after another with it and has gone from being embarrassing to just sad. With the series on the air it’s just retreading the same ground. Miller wasn’t much in the role beyond comic relief and it just seems like the wrong take on Barry Allen. It certainly wasn’t enough for me to stick with this incarnation of the character. Pretty sure this means that by the time the film comes out it’ll be between three and a half and four years since we last saw him in Justice League. Any excitement the character did build up last year will be long gone by then.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 15, 2018 23:09:43 GMT -5
www.joblo.com/movie-news/warner-bros-pushes-production-on-the-flash-back-as-they-eye-a-2021-release-116Jesus. Just drop this movie from the schedule. It’s just been one problem after another with it and has gone from being embarrassing to just sad. With the series on the air it’s just retreading the same ground. Miller wasn’t much in the role beyond comic relief and it just seems like the wrong take on Barry Allen. It certainly wasn’t enough for me to stick with this incarnation of the character. Pretty sure this means that by the time the film comes out it’ll be between three and a half and four years since we last saw him in Justice League. Any excitement the character did build up last year will be long gone by then. I actually am more interested with John Francis Daley working on this. While I loved the 1st and 2nd season of the Flash, I think my interest started to wane when everyone in the cast had to become a superhero & it was a lot more Barry/Iris romance than I was Interested in.... so, at this point I'm a bit more interested than I would have been during the first couple of seasons of Flash. Though.... yeah, much like Biker Aquaman--- these DC movies I'm looking at as if they were "Elseworlds" movies--- and just like the Elseworld comics, I doubt I'll ever put them on the same level as the originals they're based on. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 22, 2018 17:54:15 GMT -5
www.joblo.com/movie-news/wonder-woman-1984-moves-to-summer-2020-release-338This could be a good thing. I assume this is to spread things out after Shazam as well as to take advantage of the June release date and the success the previous WW film had in that month. That would mean Aquaman in 2018, Shazam and Joker in 2019, and WW84 in 2020. Makes sense and I’m ok with spreading each solo franchises releases out to three years. I’ve often felt like too many franchises have burned through films just to rush the next one out. I get striking while the iron is hot and agree with that but also think film franchises should take their time and not rush through entries. Get the most out of a series. Marvel burned through the iron man trilogy faster than they needed too while I thought spreading the Thor films out helped. Sometimes waiting helps while other times the wait is too long...only for the next film to be a dud. The extra time didn’t help. It’ll be interesting to see which example this turns out to be. That’s all assuming everything is fine and the film hasn’t turned into some kind of behind the scenes disaster which is possible with DC and WB. I doubt it but with them you never know.
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Post by Metallo on Nov 19, 2018 13:17:22 GMT -5
Not bad. See a few cliched things I’ve seen before but it looks pretty epic. Really like the music. They still should have moved it.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 21, 2018 12:32:42 GMT -5
Not bad. See a few cliched things I’ve seen before but it looks pretty epic. Really like the music. They still should have moved it. I think it LOOKS great.... but I'm concerned that they went overboard with trying to 'lighten things up' and that it has no depth. Will see... |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 22, 2018 17:03:14 GMT -5
Lightening it up isn’t the problem. They had to do that. But the depth concern is a real one. It’s a seperate issue though. You can do light and be deep. My problem is they’ve cast actors as the leads that aren’t exactly know for their complex intellectual acting or emotional depth. Momoa is a fun dude bro kind of lead. Wan was stuck with Snyder’s choice there.
The script and story seem very thin too. From the trailers its like they aren’t trying very hard to make the story unique just the visuals. It comes off like like stuff we’ve seen in man of steel and Wonder Woman. Vulko could be Antiope from WW. young Arthur could easily be young Clark.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 23, 2018 20:11:28 GMT -5
Lightening it up isn’t the problem. They had to do that. But the depth concern is a real one. It’s a seperate issue though. You can do light and be deep. My problem is they’ve cast actors as the leads that aren’t exactly know for their complex intellectual acting or emotional depth. Momoa is a fun dude bro kind of lead. Wan was stuck with Snyder’s choice there. The script and story seem very thin too. From the trailers its like they aren’t trying very hard to make the story unique just the visuals. It comes off like like stuff we’ve seen in man of steel and Wonder Woman. Vulko could be Antiope from WW. young Arthur could easily be young Clark. Good point. Pity that they couldn't wrangle Joss Whedon to do some script doctoring.... though I do admit that his second Avengers was a bit underwhelming. Here's hoping James Wan can give the movie emotional weight. Eye candy can only go so far... |
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Just drop this movie from the schedule. It’s just been one problem after another with it and has gone from being embarrassing to just sad. With the series on the air it’s just retreading the same ground. Miller wasn’t much in the role beyond comic relief and it just seems like the wrong take on Barry Allen. It certainly wasn’t enough for me to stick with this incarnation of the character. 
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