Ok, so if there IS a new cut of SII coming out for the 40th

[crazy_asian_man]

Recently we've been talking about budgets and speculating on what the RDC was and wasn't able to do with a microbudget-

Well, there's buzz that SOMETHING is going to happen Superman related from WB- whether it's the photo book or tv extended widescreen of SII or.... a new cut of SII-

If that's the case:
Assuming there's still a 10 cents budget for SII official redux:

What would you like to see done as a short list for WB?
Assuming they can do minor swap outs of backgrounds- and even then, only a few:

What then?
What minor changes (assuming that's all one gets) would you like to see done-

My own list:

#1: Put in (cleaned up) these scenes: deleted Arctic Police scene , the villains approaching the FOS with original fx of the time, the original extended balcony and talk with Lois/Supes outside of the FOS- like the extended tv cut had. Presumably these would't be that labor intensive.

#2: Get someone new to re-edit the existing John Williams music where it was reworked for the depowering/repowering scenes. Especially the Brando/Reeve chat then repowering.

Speaking of which-
#3: Get someone new to re-edit (and possibly use slower takes of) the Reeve monologue/ Repowering scene. It should have had a lot of impact, but it was rushed through and sloppy.
Whether it was Donner's new idea of 'faster faster faster' or Thau's cutting and choices- either way, I know that Donner was not a 'one take-perfect' guy. There had to be other takes and the way the conversation was cut should have been more moving.
I'm sure that Donner shot more than one performance by Brando and Reeve when they were there.

#4: Re-cut the 'general, would you care to step outside' scene- and cut out more of the Lester slapstick.

#5: Do the older effect (the one where Clark is speeding through the Daily Planet) with the effect that used to be used on the tv Flash- as, it would match the fx of that time (the shirt rip had it) but more importantly for the 10 cent budget- that effect on someone running could easily be done on the computer in seconds. Low cost, low time.

And.... every other scrap of footage Donner shot for both movies on a bonus dvd. That's all I ask.

[Metallo]

A hybrid cut of Donner and Lester with the best of both. An improved Donner cut would be ok but no matter how much they put into it it’s never going to be a true film to me just a fun extras feature. Only way I’d ever be totally happy with it is if they spent hundreds of millions to do scenes that Donner never shot and that’s never going to happen.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 21, 2018 17:45:32 GMT -5 Metallo said:

A hybrid cut of Donner and Lester with the best of both. An improved Donner cut would be ok but no matter how much they put into it it’s never going to be a true film to me just a fun extras feature. Only way I’d ever be totally happy with it is if they spent hundreds of millions to do scenes that Donner never shot and that’s never going to happen.

Right. That's what I mean- knowing that compromises would have to be made, given the circumstances-

Pretending that WB is actually looking and listening- I guess I'm asking folks to 'play' editor and point out what would be a wish list of what REALLY has to change and/or what could stay in, if we really do get another cut soon.

[atp]

Maybe they will be releasing the Selutron cut.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 22, 2018 2:12:12 GMT -5 atp said:

Maybe they will be releasing the Selutron cut.

If so, I have to admit I'd have mixed feelings about it, with some of the choices he made.

Still- the STM extended tv cut has me spoiled for at least the SII extended tv cut as well. And- any other stab at recutting the RDC or expanding it is welcome to me!

[Metallo]

May 21, 2018 23:08:22 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

May 21, 2018 17:45:32 GMT -5 Metallo said:

A hybrid cut of Donner and Lester with the best of both. An improved Donner cut would be ok but no matter how much they put into it it’s never going to be a true film to me just a fun extras feature. Only way I’d ever be totally happy with it is if they spent hundreds of millions to do scenes that Donner never shot and that’s never going to happen.

Right. That's what I mean- knowing that compromises would have to be made, given the circumstances-

Pretending that WB is actually looking and listening- I guess I'm asking folks to 'play' editor and point out what would be a wish list of what REALLY has to change and/or what could stay in, if we really do get another cut soon.

Put back in “general, would you care to step outside?” It’s so much more bad@sss

[crazy_asian_man]

May 22, 2018 11:11:04 GMT -5 Metallo said:

May 21, 2018 23:08:22 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Right. That's what I mean- knowing that compromises would have to be made, given the circumstances-

Pretending that WB is actually looking and listening- I guess I'm asking folks to 'play' editor and point out what would be a wish list of what REALLY has to change and/or what could stay in, if we really do get another cut soon.

Put back in “general, would you care to step outside?” It’s so much more bad@sss

Very true! I don't think there are any fan cuts that prefer 'Haven't you heard of freedom of hte press'....

[Metallo]

It’s one of those things where the only reason I’d think someone would prefer it is just because it’s Donner not Lester but it’s the perfect moment to ramp up to the big metropolis battle sequence.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 22, 2018 20:33:36 GMT -5 Metallo said:

It’s one of those things where the only reason I’d think someone would prefer it is just because it’s Donner not Lester but it’s the perfect moment to ramp up to the big metropolis battle sequence.

I'm glad that (sort of) we got to see the Donner micro-bits in the DP attack, but I just don't trust the cutting to feel like it was the best version of Donner's footage. When I see the different alternate angles Thau (Unnecessarily I might add) swapped in, in different parts of the film, the footage was almost always inferior. Was it really due to the footage being damaged, as he claimed for some of them?

If only Baird was just as passionate about returning to try to fix this up.... but, then again- who knows if his aesthetics also changed by this time?

In any case- crossing fingers that we get some nice surprises on the same level as the tv extended cut this year (or better).

[crown]

May 22, 2018 20:33:36 GMT -5 Metallo said:

It’s one of those things where the only reason I’d think someone would prefer it is just because it’s Donner not Lester but it’s the perfect moment to ramp up to the big metropolis battle sequence.

I prefer the build up & music of the Lester take, but all the Donner shots of Superman on the flag pole are superior.

Lester's shot of Superman on the pole is butt ugly...he's not even standing but squatting on it(!)


Freedom of the press line is better.. it's just such a classic Superman thing to say.

Care to step outside is just redundant and uncreative.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 23, 2018 1:34:04 GMT -5 crown said:

May 22, 2018 20:33:36 GMT -5 Metallo said:

It’s one of those things where the only reason I’d think someone would prefer it is just because it’s Donner not Lester but it’s the perfect moment to ramp up to the big metropolis battle sequence.

I prefer the build up & music of the Lester take, but all the Donner shots of Superman on the flag pole are superior.

Lester's shot of Superman on the pole is butt ugly...he's not even standing but squatting on it(!)


Freedom of the press line is better.. it's just such a classic Superman thing to say.

Care to step outside is just redundant and uncreative.

I feel like both versions are lacking-

I agree that the build up and music of Lester's version is preferred- plus (to me) I like the closer medium shot of Supes when he says the 'step outside' line. But the substitution of Kidder in the poor wig is not great (why didn't they use the Donner shot?)

With the RDC - there are a couple of wonderful shots but the editing is odd on that one. Seeing Jimmy just hang out with no reaction with Supes in the background was flat for such an intense scene Plus I know Thau tried to match the Mank script in spirit- but the 'whip-pan' to Supes outside wasn't shot quite as on the page & it's an underwhelming extremely short build up. (One 'whoosh' sound effect for a couple of seconds didn't quite move me).

Also, the angles chosen didn't seem to have the best impact. I know I could totally be wrong, but I'd be surprised if Baird cut the whole sequence initially.

[Metallo]

May 23, 2018 0:19:36 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

May 22, 2018 20:33:36 GMT -5 Metallo said:

It’s one of those things where the only reason I’d think someone would prefer it is just because it’s Donner not Lester but it’s the perfect moment to ramp up to the big metropolis battle sequence.

I'm glad that (sort of) we got to see the Donner micro-bits in the DP attack, but I just don't trust the cutting to feel like it was the best version of Donner's footage. When I see the different alternate angles Thau (Unnecessarily I might add) swapped in, in different parts of the film, the footage was almost always inferior. Was it really due to the footage being damaged, as he claimed for some of them?

If only Baird was just as passionate about returning to try to fix this up.... but, then again- who knows if his aesthetics also changed by this time?

In any case- crossing fingers that we get some nice surprises on the same level as the tv extended cut this year (or better).

The great thing was getting to see what was only talked about for years. It was like finding the holy grail. For that alone it was worth it. It might not have lived up expectations but that’s down more to execution. I think we all know it could be done better so at least it’s there for the fan editors.

[crown]

May 23, 2018 3:26:48 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

May 23, 2018 1:34:04 GMT -5 crown said:

I prefer the build up & music of the Lester take, but all the Donner shots of Superman on the flag pole are superior.

Lester's shot of Superman on the pole is butt ugly...he's not even standing but squatting on it(!)


Freedom of the press line is better.. it's just such a classic Superman thing to say.

Care to step outside is just redundant and uncreative.

I feel like both versions are lacking-

I agree that the build up and music of Lester's version is preferred- plus (to me) I like the closer medium shot of Supes when he says the 'step outside' line. But the substitution of Kidder in the poor wig is not great (why didn't they use the Donner shot?)

With the RDC - there are a couple of wonderful shots but the editing is odd on that one. Seeing Jimmy just hang out with no reaction with Supes in the background was flat for such an intense scene Plus I know Thau tried to match the Mank script in spirit- but the 'whip-pan' to Supes outside wasn't shot quite as on the page & it's an underwhelming extremely short build up. (One 'whoosh' sound effect for a couple of seconds didn't quite move me).

Also, the angles chosen didn't seem to have the best impact. I know I could totally be wrong, but I'd be surprised if Baird cut the whole sequence initially.

How can anyone take this ugly squatting shot seriously?

It looks like Superman never did have time to relieve himself in the diner and has been holding it the whole time.




THIS IS MORE LIKE IT!

[crazy_asian_man]

May 23, 2018 6:51:43 GMT -5 crown said:

May 23, 2018 3:26:48 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

I feel like both versions are lacking-

I agree that the build up and music of Lester's version is preferred- plus (to me) I like the closer medium shot of Supes when he says the 'step outside' line. But the substitution of Kidder in the poor wig is not great (why didn't they use the Donner shot?)

With the RDC - there are a couple of wonderful shots but the editing is odd on that one. Seeing Jimmy just hang out with no reaction with Supes in the background was flat for such an intense scene Plus I know Thau tried to match the Mank script in spirit- but the 'whip-pan' to Supes outside wasn't shot quite as on the page & it's an underwhelming extremely short build up. (One 'whoosh' sound effect for a couple of seconds didn't quite move me).

Also, the angles chosen didn't seem to have the best impact. I know I could totally be wrong, but I'd be surprised if Baird cut the whole sequence initially.

How can anyone take this ugly squatting shot seriously?

It looks like Superman never did have time to relieve himself in the diner and has been holding it the whole time.




THIS IS MORE LIKE IT!

I'm not crazy about the Lester shot you're showing- but I did like the closer second shot from the chest up of Supes getting pissed, and his takeoff.

And- that Donner shot is cool, I won't deny that.

I just feel that the sequence didn't seem cut right in the RDC (like some other things in that version) and that I liked a couple of shots Lester added.

[crown]

May 21, 2018 13:45:00 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Recently we've been talking about budgets and speculating on what the RDC was and wasn't able to do with a microbudget-

Well, there's buzz that SOMETHING is going to happen Superman related from WB- whether it's the photo book or tv extended widescreen of SII or.... a new cut of SII-

If that's the case:
Assuming there's still a 10 cents budget for SII official redux:

What would you like to see done as a short list for WB?
Assuming they can do minor swap outs of backgrounds- and even then, only a few:

What then?
What minor changes (assuming that's all one gets) would you like to see done-

My own list:

#1: Put in (cleaned up) these scenes: deleted Arctic Police scene , the villains approaching the FOS with original fx of the time, the original extended balcony and talk with Lois/Supes outside of the FOS- like the extended tv cut had. Presumably these would't be that labor intensive.

#2: Get someone new to re-edit the existing John Williams music where it was reworked for the depowering/repowering scenes. Especially the Brando/Reeve chat then repowering.

Speaking of which-
#3: Get someone new to re-edit (and possibly use slower takes of) the Reeve monologue/ Repowering scene. It should have had a lot of impact, but it was rushed through and sloppy.
Whether it was Donner's new idea of 'faster faster faster' or Thau's cutting and choices- either way, I know that Donner was not a 'one take-perfect' guy. There had to be other takes and the way the conversation was cut should have been more moving.
I'm sure that Donner shot more than one performance by Brando and Reeve when they were there.

#4: Re-cut the 'general, would you care to step outside' scene- and cut out more of the Lester slapstick.

#5: Do the older effect (the one where Clark is speeding through the Daily Planet) with the effect that used to be used on the tv Flash- as, it would match the fx of that time (the shirt rip had it) but more importantly for the 10 cent budget- that effect on someone running could easily be done on the computer in seconds. Low cost, low time.

And.... every other scrap of footage Donner shot for both movies on a bonus dvd. That's all I ask.

Well where's Selutron?

I mean where is he.. I mean... why doesn't he do something!?

[crazy_asian_man]

May 26, 2018 15:00:30 GMT -5 crown said:

May 21, 2018 13:45:00 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Recently we've been talking about budgets and speculating on what the RDC was and wasn't able to do with a microbudget-

Well, there's buzz that SOMETHING is going to happen Superman related from WB- whether it's the photo book or tv extended widescreen of SII or.... a new cut of SII-

If that's the case:
Assuming there's still a 10 cents budget for SII official redux:

What would you like to see done as a short list for WB?
Assuming they can do minor swap outs of backgrounds- and even then, only a few:

What then?
What minor changes (assuming that's all one gets) would you like to see done-

My own list:

#1: Put in (cleaned up) these scenes: deleted Arctic Police scene , the villains approaching the FOS with original fx of the time, the original extended balcony and talk with Lois/Supes outside of the FOS- like the extended tv cut had. Presumably these would't be that labor intensive.

#2: Get someone new to re-edit the existing John Williams music where it was reworked for the depowering/repowering scenes. Especially the Brando/Reeve chat then repowering.

Speaking of which-
#3: Get someone new to re-edit (and possibly use slower takes of) the Reeve monologue/ Repowering scene. It should have had a lot of impact, but it was rushed through and sloppy.
Whether it was Donner's new idea of 'faster faster faster' or Thau's cutting and choices- either way, I know that Donner was not a 'one take-perfect' guy. There had to be other takes and the way the conversation was cut should have been more moving.
I'm sure that Donner shot more than one performance by Brando and Reeve when they were there.

#4: Re-cut the 'general, would you care to step outside' scene- and cut out more of the Lester slapstick.

#5: Do the older effect (the one where Clark is speeding through the Daily Planet) with the effect that used to be used on the tv Flash- as, it would match the fx of that time (the shirt rip had it) but more importantly for the 10 cent budget- that effect on someone running could easily be done on the computer in seconds. Low cost, low time.

And.... every other scrap of footage Donner shot for both movies on a bonus dvd. That's all I ask.

Well where's Selutron?

I mean where is he.. I mean... why doesn't he do something!?

I'm mixed on Selutron saving the day. Some of the stuff he's done is brilliant inventive thinking. Some of his other choices, I'm not as enthused with.

Would be curious if Baird was interested in coming back.....

[crown]

May 29, 2018 23:51:49 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

May 26, 2018 15:00:30 GMT -5 crown said:

Well where's Selutron?

I mean where is he.. I mean... why doesn't he do something!?

I'm mixed on Selutron saving the day. Some of the stuff he's done is brilliant inventive thinking. Some of his other choices, I'm not as enthused with.

Would be curious if Baird was interested in coming back.....

True, his ending was literally the worst thing I've ever scene in my entire life.

I did like the idea of addressing the public's point of view regarding what happened to the villains but that's it.

It was so bad even ATP called it........ crap

[crazy_asian_man]

May 30, 2018 1:27:49 GMT -5 crown said:

May 29, 2018 23:51:49 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

I'm mixed on Selutron saving the day. Some of the stuff he's done is brilliant inventive thinking. Some of his other choices, I'm not as enthused with.

Would be curious if Baird was interested in coming back.....

True, his ending was literally the worst thing I've ever scene in my entire life.

I did like the idea of addressing the public's point of view regarding what happened to the villains but that's it.

It was so bad even ATP called it........ crap

After all the buzz about the 'mysterious ending'- I'm glad to have seen what it was, but I think I would have rather just have had Lois either remember for the ending or do the memory kiss- with Verisimilitude's great 'montage/add-on' where he had a music cue, with brief flashes of all the memories that were going to be wiped out with Lois/Supes.

It really pumped up the emotion that the scene should of had...

Plus, I always remember the original Newman's script, of Superman having yet ANOTHER new power- where- (I'm not kidding) he uses his heat vision on a glass of water and hands it to Lois to drink to forget.

Later on, I'd read that Reeve reccomended changing it to a simple kiss- in comparison it's more graceful, but I wish it wasn't shot so tv-sitcom like.

[crown]

May 30, 2018 11:11:53 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

May 30, 2018 1:27:49 GMT -5 crown said:

True, his ending was literally the worst thing I've ever scene in my entire life.

I did like the idea of addressing the public's point of view regarding what happened to the villains but that's it.

It was so bad even ATP called it........ crap

After all the buzz about the 'mysterious ending'- I'm glad to have seen what it was, but I think I would have rather just have had Lois either remember for the ending or do the memory kiss- with Verisimilitude's great 'montage/add-on' where he had a music cue, with brief flashes of all the memories that were going to be wiped out with Lois/Supes.

It really pumped up the emotion that the scene should of had...

Plus, I always remember the original Newman's script, of Superman having yet ANOTHER new power- where- (I'm not kidding) he uses his heat vision on a glass of water and hands it to Lois to drink to forget.

Later on, I'd read that Reeve reccomended changing it to a simple kiss- in comparison it's more graceful, but I wish it wasn't shot so tv-sitcom like.

Also I think in that script Ms. Teschmacher removed a crystal from the console which compromised it causing the the de-powering to only be temporary.

They sorta used this idea with Lois removing the green crystal.

Also, did Lois remove the green crystal on purpose?

Maybe since she was really in love with Superman and not Clark, she wanted to leave him an avenue to restore his power?

[crazy_asian_man]

May 30, 2018 13:40:58 GMT -5 crown said:

May 30, 2018 11:11:53 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

After all the buzz about the 'mysterious ending'- I'm glad to have seen what it was, but I think I would have rather just have had Lois either remember for the ending or do the memory kiss- with Verisimilitude's great 'montage/add-on' where he had a music cue, with brief flashes of all the memories that were going to be wiped out with Lois/Supes.

It really pumped up the emotion that the scene should of had...

Plus, I always remember the original Newman's script, of Superman having yet ANOTHER new power- where- (I'm not kidding) he uses his heat vision on a glass of water and hands it to Lois to drink to forget.

Later on, I'd read that Reeve reccomended changing it to a simple kiss- in comparison it's more graceful, but I wish it wasn't shot so tv-sitcom like.

Also I think in that script Ms. Teschmacher removed a crystal from the console which compromised it causing the the de-powering to only be temporary.

They sorta used this idea with Lois removing the green crystal.

Also, did Lois remove the green crystal on purpose?

Maybe since she was really in love with Superman and not Clark, she wanted to leave him an avenue to restore his power?

I don't recall the Teschmacher thing, but it's not a bad idea if that's the case.

Actually, while Mank's script had the crystal pre-planned by Jor-el in case he changed his mind, there's something touching about human error (Lois forgetting the crystal on the ground in the theatrical) ironically being the thing that saves the day.

[crown]

May 30, 2018 14:28:48 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

May 30, 2018 13:40:58 GMT -5 crown said:

Also I think in that script Ms. Teschmacher removed a crystal from the console which compromised it causing the the de-powering to only be temporary.

They sorta used this idea with Lois removing the green crystal.

Also, did Lois remove the green crystal on purpose?

Maybe since she was really in love with Superman and not Clark, she wanted to leave him an avenue to restore his power?

I don't recall the Teschmacher thing, but it's not a bad idea if that's the case.

Actually, while Mank's script had the crystal pre-planned by Jor-el in case he changed his mind, there's something touching about human error (Lois forgetting the crystal on the ground in the theatrical) ironically being the thing that saves the day.

I agree. In SII Theatrical, Lara wasn't kidding when she told her son that there was no return.

When Clark returned to the Fortress Jor-El and Lara really were gone and could not hear him at all... Clark just got incredibly lucky that Lois "accidentally" left the crystal outside the console.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 30, 2018 19:41:28 GMT -5 crown said:

May 30, 2018 14:28:48 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

I don't recall the Teschmacher thing, but it's not a bad idea if that's the case.

Actually, while Mank's script had the crystal pre-planned by Jor-el in case he changed his mind, there's something touching about human error (Lois forgetting the crystal on the ground in the theatrical) ironically being the thing that saves the day.

I agree. In SII Theatrical, Lara wasn't kidding when she told her son that there was no return.

When Clark returned to the Fortress Jor-El and Lara really were gone and could not hear him at all... Clark just got incredibly lucky that Lois "accidentally" left the crystal outside the console.

I didn't necessarily mind if Jorel had to be replaced, but in the writing, one would think that they would have tried a little harder to show how he gets his power back after seeing the crystal, rather than just looking at it.
Add insult to injury, adding in the unnecessary slapstick in Metropolis and the bizarre For battle really annoyed.

[crown]

May 30, 2018 20:19:16 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

May 30, 2018 19:41:28 GMT -5 crown said:

I agree. In SII Theatrical, Lara wasn't kidding when she told her son that there was no return.

When Clark returned to the Fortress Jor-El and Lara really were gone and could not hear him at all... Clark just got incredibly lucky that Lois "accidentally" left the crystal outside the console.

I didn't necessarily mind if Jorel had to be replaced, but in the writing, one would think that they would have tried a little harder to show how he gets his power back after seeing the crystal, rather than just looking at it.
Add insult to injury, adding in the unnecessary slapstick in Metropolis and the bizarre For battle really annoyed.

Well I always understood immediately "how" Superman got his powers back.... the green crystal was fortunately spared destruction due to being left outside the console and it recharged Clark.

Did anyone not understand this?

And I agree, the Metro Battle was pretty tame and underwhelming.

The scene where Superman and Zod... ugg "wrestle" on the top of the car can't even be taken seriously today.



Not surprised if they re-do the battle entirely in CGI for the big 40th re-issue.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 31, 2018 0:34:09 GMT -5 crown said:

May 30, 2018 20:19:16 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

I didn't necessarily mind if Jorel had to be replaced, but in the writing, one would think that they would have tried a little harder to show how he gets his power back after seeing the crystal, rather than just looking at it.
Add insult to injury, adding in the unnecessary slapstick in Metropolis and the bizarre For battle really annoyed.

Well I always understood immediately "how" Superman got his powers back.... the green crystal was fortunately spared destruction due to being left outside the console and it recharged Clark.

Did anyone not understand this?

And I agree, the Metro Battle was pretty tame and underwhelming.

The scene where Superman and Zod... ugg "wrestle" on the top of the car can't even be taken seriously today.



Not surprised if they re-do the battle entirely in CGI for the big 40th re-issue.

Of course the implication is that he can contact his father (or his mom/etc.) and get his powers back- but in the rewrite, that scene just has Supes hold the crystal, he starts vibrating with it, and basically you see him getting his power back.

I know the producers were adamant about not using one frame of Brando - but I would have done what Back to the Future did when they fired the actor who played the dad, but needed to show him in part two- they got a lookalike and distorted the perspective (Actually they wrote in a scene where he hung upside down)

I know a scene of an upside-down Brando would be funky- but a looklike with the filters on overdrive and a soundalike MAYBE could have bypassed re-using him? (Maybe, maybe not- I'm not an attorney)

Or- Perhaps the elders and Lara could have appeared fragmented at the same time, as if the Fortress console and crstyals were all damaged, to at least sort of explain that all their energy was going to be used to repower him.

The 'battle' between Zod and Supes was never going to be treated that seriously under Lester. In a storyboard that I bought from the theatrical, originally Zod and Supes were supposed to smash through a flower truck! I can only imagine that for the scenes Reeve was in, Lester knew he wanted to take it seriously & Reeve trusted him, based on "Three Musketeers" and some of Lester's other work.

The rooftop confrontation isn't bad--- if you turn a blind eye to the bored citizens looking up and watching them with mild curiosity (in Mank's script, people are fleeing in terror when they see Zod and the villains- such a pity that they had only Lester's comedic reaction shots to edit with for the RDC). Also the first few seconds when Non chases Supes I kind of like/ Supes gets punched out, but there's so FEW seconds of those effects, and Lester sets it to be a whole joke- that the dramatic impact of the fight disappears REALLY quickly after such a huge build up.

Also it always bothered me how Reeve had to crouch down (or it looks that way) so that Stamp's reach could connect to Reeve during the fight (Crouch! Crouch before Zod!)
But- anyways.... I can't see any CGI being done and fit a 'straight to dvd' budget- but , with reportedly multiple takes of everything, there has/had to be more footage of the villains flying that could be composited and put together to make a better battle. And- there's got to be 70's footage of panicked crowds that can be spliced in or composited in, that they could license.

Hopefully the healthy sales of the STM tv extended cut encourages them to do something. If they are, I'm just not certain why they don't seem to want to mention it early- perhaps they worry early news won't get people to try to order as soon as it's released?

[atp]

WB really don't care about the fans