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Post by Metallo on Jul 15, 2018 18:43:25 GMT -5
Batman V Superman actually has one of my favorite flying moments - the long shot that follows Clark and Lois after Lois was pushed from the skyscraper - it gets me every time. It leaves me feeling like a bystander, trying to capture the moment on my own camera and I can barely keep up. It just gave it a very real quality vs the typical medium and close shots, and gave Clark a gentle quality to his flight compared to the earlier sonic boom flying sequences. Man...to me that’s not very impressive. The actual landing is ok but when she’s first thrown off it goes from extreme close up to obvious cgi wide shot like I was talking about. Then when he takes off he does another fart boom. Snyder just can’t help himself. I thought Superman Returns had some much better man on the street POV shots. Then we got those awful closeups of the sh!tty cgi Routh.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 19:05:39 GMT -5
We like different things.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 15, 2018 19:26:19 GMT -5
Oh come on now you also like good things too. Either way I won’t hold it against you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 21:50:29 GMT -5
Oh come on now you also like good things too. Either way I won’t hold it against you. I wouldn't worry about it. As much as I like Superman Returns, I never really was down with the visual style, mostly the tinting, costume, special effects, or lighting style. I did like the bit with Kitty keeping Superman from taking off. Reminded me of all the times I try to politely escape conversations, but this time, with flight. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 16, 2018 6:51:55 GMT -5
Kinda funny considering most of the stuff done in SR was just a dry run for what we’d see in MOS.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 10:11:03 GMT -5
Kinda funny considering most of the stuff done in SR was just a dry run for what we’d see in MOS. How so? The look of both are pretty different. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 16, 2018 11:04:37 GMT -5
Kinda funny considering most of the stuff done in SR was just a dry run for what we’d see in MOS. How so? The look of both are pretty different. Yeah SR totally didn’t use a bunch of filters that made the film itself look darker or a desaturated color palette or padded costumes with texture in order to make it look more modern.  ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() “Why’s the suit so dark?” “Because of the filters.” “Why’s the color palate so extreme and less natural?” That’s not even getting into other stylistic complaints about SR that have nothing to do with the cinematography like “why is Superman’s hair parted on the wrong side” (just like MOS) or story complaints like why is superman such a miserable sullen @sshole?” Just like MOS. Or why the bad guy in SR tried to use kryptonian technology to terraform Earth into a new Krypton. Those also carried over to Man of steel. What you’re talking about is the difference in production design. THOSE are different but as far as the color palette MOS just exaggerated what SR started. SR looks less like a Marvel or even the other Superman movies and a whole lot more like Snyder’s movies.  Snyder just aped that bleached out filtered look that Singer started using on X-men and Nolan used in the dark knight trilogy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 18:05:25 GMT -5
I get where you're going, but my complaint really is about unnatural coloring. Like in the flying shot from BvS I posted, the orange glow of the halogen lamps accurately captures a muggy night in LA. Everything in SR just had some blue filter put on top of it and weird flesh tones. Just odd color choices all around. BvS, for all the complaints about muted color, has a lot of contrast and plays with shadows. Most of the lighting in SR looks flat.
Most of your images didn't load for me, by the way. Though that shot with Routh's hair all stuck up kind of gives me a laugh every time I see it. They should have stuck with that and have Superman constantly trying to fix his hair after he lands.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 16, 2018 18:35:22 GMT -5
I get where you're going, but my complaint really is about unnatural coloring. Like in the flying shot from BvS I posted, the orange glow of the halogen lamps accurately captures a muggy night in LA. Everything in SR just had some blue filter put on top of it and weird flesh tones. Just odd color choices all around. BvS, for all the complaints about muted color, has a lot of contrast and plays with shadows. Most of the lighting in SR looks flat. Most of your images didn't load for me, by the way. Though that shot with Routh's hair all stuck up kind of gives me a laugh every time I see it. They should have stuck with that and have Superman constantly trying to fix his hair after he lands. m Yeah look at all that flat blue drab filtered color rich depth of colors and contrast.    Yeah look at how flat and bland SR looks  No natural warmth or color at all. But in all seriousness you’re acusing Singer of a bunch of flat filtered images when that’s what most of Snyder’s films are just taken to the extreme. The only time they aren’t is when there’s some huge light source like the sun or explosions. Why is the interrogation room scene between Superman and Lois in MOS flat filtered cold blue behind him thinking it looks cool? That’s his entire MO in his decision making. You’re laughing at Rouths hair blowing in the wind...as hair tends to do? Wow. Doesn’t take much to entertain you does it? Guess you won’t have to worry about it with Cavill since he’s the balding Superman. The only depth in Snyder’s films is the overkill of cgi nonsense going on in the background. I remember watching the big fight in BvS between Batman and Superman and thinking it looked more like a blue and black blob of over filtered cgi. At least Singer was smart enough to not keep the frame so busy. When Snyder does that it’s like he doesn’t know how to tell a story otherwise. More doesn’t always equal better. You seem to like that in Snyder’s films but there’s a reason they haven’t registered with more people. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 16, 2018 18:35:54 GMT -5
I get where you're going, but my complaint really is about unnatural coloring. Like in the flying shot from BvS I posted, the orange glow of the halogen lamps accurately captures a muggy night in LA. Everything in SR just had some blue filter put on top of it and weird flesh tones. Just odd color choices all around. BvS, for all the complaints about muted color, has a lot of contrast and plays with shadows. Most of the lighting in SR looks flat. Most of your images didn't load for me, by the way. Though that shot with Routh's hair all stuck up kind of gives me a laugh every time I see it. They should have stuck with that and have Superman constantly trying to fix his hair after he lands. There are sequences that I thought were beautifully shot in SR.... but more often than not, the color palette chosen was just weird. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 18:48:39 GMT -5
I get where you're going, but my complaint really is about unnatural coloring. Like in the flying shot from BvS I posted, the orange glow of the halogen lamps accurately captures a muggy night in LA. Everything in SR just had some blue filter put on top of it and weird flesh tones. Just odd color choices all around. BvS, for all the complaints about muted color, has a lot of contrast and plays with shadows. Most of the lighting in SR looks flat. Most of your images didn't load for me, by the way. Though that shot with Routh's hair all stuck up kind of gives me a laugh every time I see it. They should have stuck with that and have Superman constantly trying to fix his hair after he lands. m Yeah look at all that flat blue drab filtered color rich depth of colors and contrast. Yeah look at how flat and bland SR looks No natural wartth or color at all You’re laughing at Rouths hair blowing in the wind...as hair tends to do? Doesn’t take much to entertain you does it? Guess you won’t have to worry about it with Cavill since he’s the balding Superman. None of those shots are from BvS though. But yeah, that lighting does look flat. Good color in that though. C'mon, you don't think that looks a little funny? Imagine the "Can you read my mind" sequence with wind noise clipping the sound and Lois' hair blowing wildly.  |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 16, 2018 18:52:39 GMT -5
m Yeah look at all that flat blue drab filtered color rich depth of colors and contrast. Yeah look at how flat and bland SR looks No natural wartth or color at all You’re laughing at Rouths hair blowing in the wind...as hair tends to do? Doesn’t take much to entertain you does it? Guess you won’t have to worry about it with Cavill since he’s the balding Superman. None of those shots are from BvS though. But yeah, that lighting does look flat. Good color in that though. C'mon, you don't think that looks a little funny? Imagine the "Can you read my mind" sequence with wind noise clipping the sound and Lois' hair blowing wildly. Snyder’s films look the same but I can easily post examples of BvS that have the same problem. And no I don’t think it’s funny. youre really stretching there. Hair blowing in the wind is funny? Is it supposed to stick there unmoving like a solid piece of plastic? I know Snyder would make it slow motion cgi hair so maybe you’d find that more impressive. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 18:54:31 GMT -5
Like the Reeve films?
The humor is in having it act blow realistically in one shot, but when he lands, it's perfect. It's one of his 20 superpowers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 18:55:59 GMT -5
Cavill and Reeve probably had a gallon of hair gel to keep it well kept.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 16, 2018 18:56:47 GMT -5
The Reeve films didn’t have the advantage of cgi so things had to stay more static for some of the compositing. It was also done for continuity purposes during filming.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 16, 2018 18:57:51 GMT -5
Cavill and Reeve probably had a gallon of hair gel to keep it well kept. Cavill was a cgi cartoon for most of his flying scenes so he wouldn’t need hair gel. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 16, 2018 18:59:19 GMT -5
Cavill and Reeve probably had a gallon of hair gel to keep it well kept. Cavill was a cgi cartoon for most of his flying scenes so he wouldn’t need hair gel. With Reeve's alopecia (spelling?), I do wonder if wigs were made for him on some shots.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 19:02:42 GMT -5
Cavill was a cgi cartoon for most of his flying scenes so he wouldn’t need hair gel. With Reeve's alopecia (spelling?), I do wonder if wigs were made for him on some shots.... I think that's confirmed, they have his hair piece at the Superman museum in Metropolis, IL. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 16, 2018 19:14:12 GMT -5
Cavill was a cgi cartoon for most of his flying scenes so he wouldn’t need hair gel. With Reeve's alopecia (spelling?), I do wonder if wigs were made for him on some shots.... You mean like in the first two films? He would have probably preferred wigs anyway since he said he hated dying his hair. It’s the same reason Evans wore hairpieces after the first Captain America. I think Reeve did wear wigs for some shots of the first two movies but I also think there were times were it got bad enough that he wore partial pieces in his personal life and on other films too but that’s just speculation on my part. I think other times he just style it to hide the missing patches. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 21:10:30 GMT -5
Why is the interrogation room scene between Superman and Lois in MOS flat filtered cold blue behind him thinking it looks cool? That’s his entire MO in his decision making. Sorry, I see that you added more to this post. I pulled up the clip and I think the context is key. The scene immediately before has Kal outside, in the sunlight - the fleshtones are warm, with the sun directly behind him. Superman is portrayed as being above men, quite literally, though he submits to man, acknowledging he need not be above them. This brings us to him being in custody, grounded. He quite literally is brought from the heavens to heck, imprisoned by the men he's trying to help. Their world is barren, empty, and cold. When Kal is in his element, he's powered and illuminated by the sun, and in man's world, we're illuminated by fluorescent light and handcuffed. It's an ugly world. When the military accepts Kal-El's help, we return back to the sun, and humans and Kal-El alike look less ghoulish. It ties back to Jor-El's speech, that in time, humans will join Kal in the sun. Jor-El's speech: |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 16, 2018 21:22:44 GMT -5
Why is the interrogation room scene between Superman and Lois in MOS flat filtered cold blue behind him thinking it looks cool? That’s his entire MO in his decision making. Sorry, I see that you added more to this post. I pulled up the clip and I think the context is key. The scene immediately before has Kal outside, in the sunlight - the fleshtones are warm, with the sun directly behind him. Superman is portrayed as being above men, quite literally, though he submits to man, acknowledging he need not be above them. This brings us to him being in custody, grounded. He quite literally is brought from the heavens to heck, imprisoned by the men he's trying to help. Their world is barren, empty, and cold. When Kal is in his element, he's powered and illuminated by the sun, and in man's world, we're illuminated by fluorescent light and handcuffed. It's an ugly world. When the military accepts Kal-El's help, we return back to the sun, and humans and Kal-El alike look less ghoulish. It ties back to Jor-El's speech, that in time, humans will join Kal in the sun. Jor-El's speech: Dahahaha! Really? I honestly can’t tell if you’re taking the piss or not. No no no. I think you’re reading a bit much into it since a lot of the movie looks like that and you never see a scene bursting with color to show him seeing the other side of a warm hopeful optimistic world. Snyder just wanted it to look cold to be depressing but that still doesn’t explain why it’s such a flat bland blue color? He could have done any number of things to make it look better than an Instagram filter. You’ve got Lois who is a GOOD part of the human world to him but she looks just as bland and dull and cold as everything else when she should be a light in the darkness for him. When you do see warm human moments outside of that scene even they are sapped of color to a degree.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 21:25:01 GMT -5
It's a pretty surface-level read, not sure why you want to mock me over it.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 16, 2018 21:33:54 GMT -5
I ain’t mocking you I’m honestly not sure you’re doing a parody type of response or not. It was pretty funny.
But if you aren’t other scenes in the movie don’t line up with your read on it. If what you say is true the end of the film where they try to show his hope for now joining the human race (“welcome to the planet.” “Glad to be here.”) should be the visual antithesis of what you described in the interrogation room scene. Or did Snyder just forget and derp it up yet again?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 21:38:11 GMT -5
I ain’t mocking you I’m honestly not sure you’re doing a parody type of response or not. It was pretty funny. But if you aren’t other scenes in the movie don’t line up with your read on it. If what you say is true the end of the film where they try to show his hope for now joining the human race (“welcome to the planet.” “Glad to be here.”) should be the visual antithesis of what you described in the interrogation room scene. Or did Snyder just forget and derp it up yet again? Submitting to capitalism yo. More shackles. But for real, no, he has warmer fleshtones tones on the people in the "Welcome to the planet" scene.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 21:45:55 GMT -5
So this is probably the wrong forum then to talk about all the genitalia imagery in Man of Steel, I take it? Because my god, there's a lot of it. Like a Georgia O'Keefe Superman painting.
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