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Post by Kamdan on Sept 12, 2018 10:26:51 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 12, 2018 14:28:53 GMT -5
I actually was fine with Cavill if we couldn't have Routh. The only thing that kind of bugged me was his nose... but that's really being a nitpick. Still- the whole Snyder/Goyer approach was too flawed, but I think it's silly to abandon rebooting Superman and rebooting Supergirl instead. While Supergirl has been done pretty well for tv- It's again weird to have a whole separate tv and movie version--- didn't they learn from the forever-in-limbo Flash movie? Will be interesting to see if they approach Goyer for any new DC projects, or if he's also considered part of the DCEU problem at this point... On another note- I do think it's a shame that they didn't have Cavill as a cameo in Shazam- would have been fun to see the contrast with "Dark Superman" and Captain Marvel/Shazam.... |
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Post by atp on Sept 13, 2018 4:34:51 GMT -5
I wonder if the elite Facebook group will disintegrate over this news. Probably will move to Instagram.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 13, 2018 7:45:51 GMT -5
Blame Cavill. Sounds like WB wanted him for Shazam but he wanted a firmer commitment and a raise even though he hasn’t really done anything to deserve one. Sure he’s been a loyal soldier and towed the line but the majority of people don’t give a sh!t about him as Superman. He can’t make some kind of RDJ play when he hasn’t been a breakout star in these movies.
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Post by Kamdan on Sept 13, 2018 8:20:12 GMT -5
I bet Warners was pissed to high heaven about him refusing to shave his mustache for the reshoots, making Justice League a colossal embarrassment. With the movies making less and less money, I’m sure that reflects the salaries, which is why Affleck isn’t sticking around and Cavill is getting the picture that other opportunities are slipping away while being stuck in these unfulfilling movies. I don’t blame him for calling it quits, especially when you’re being thrown into something like Shazam. It’s all just another crying shame that Warners thought what Nolan did for Batman could be applied to Superman and they’ve had to pay the price ever since.
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Post by atp on Sept 13, 2018 11:51:21 GMT -5
Even Superman 4 was better than Justice League.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 13, 2018 12:35:07 GMT -5
I bet Warners was pissed to high heaven about him refusing to shave his mustache for the reshoots, making Justice League a colossal embarrassment. With the movies making less and less money, I’m sure that reflects the salaries, which is why Affleck isn’t sticking around and Cavill is getting the picture that other opportunities are slipping away while being stuck in these unfulfilling movies. I don’t blame him for calling it quits, especially when you’re being thrown into something like Shazam. It’s all just another crying shame that Warners thought what Nolan did for Batman could be applied to Superman and they’ve had to pay the price ever since. Affleck leaving is because of mutual dissatisfaction. WB told him he’d be allowed to do one thing and he finished his Batman script but then WB wanted to make changes. Affleck’s attitude while promoting BvS and justice league plus his drinking problem probably pissed WB off. He never tried to hide his feelings and tried to play power politics in the press. The mustache was beyond Cavill’s control. He was contractually obligated to keep it and when the filmmakers tried to work something out Paramount said absolutely not. What they should have done was work something out to let Cavill do some reshoots after Cruise broke his ankle filming Fallout. I’m pretty sure they shut down production for a little while so there was a period when Cavill could have shaved for reshoots and had the stache grown back in time for the restart of Fallouts filming. The DCEU has made big money just not what WB wanted. WB spent too much and with those bloated budgets they didn’t make the profits they wanted. There’s zero reason Suicide Squad should have cost more than 150 million dollars. Zero. WB expected billion dollar movies or close to it. That’s why they thought they were fine spending 225 million or more on Snyder’s films. None of that is Cavills fault but he has to realize he’s got a piss poor bargaining posture if he and Dany Garcia are trying to play hardball negotiations. The last four films with Superman (SR, MOS, BVS, and JL) all underperformed and WB sees Superman as the common factor. That’s why they have no interest in making more Superman films and with no Superman films there’s no need for Cavill outside of cameos in other characters films. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 13, 2018 12:40:48 GMT -5
Even Superman 4 was better than Justice League. Truth. First thing you see in JL was the awful cgi Superman face like some kind of bad omen. You already know you’re in for a crappy film. I’d watch Superman IV before BvS. SIV is just cheap while parts of BvS are offensively bad. Martha’s as bad as any poor writing in Superman IV. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 14, 2018 10:23:31 GMT -5
Even Superman 4 was better than Justice League. Well.... I think JL is 'good', with a few too many mediocre parts to make it easy to rewatch a lot. It feels like a CW tv pilot that's just good - enough. Superman IV is hard to watch without separating itself from the contexts of everything around it to me- the age of the actors, the good intents, horrific budget effect, etc. For sure, it's unlikely that these two superhero films are in anyone's 'top five'.... |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 14, 2018 10:56:01 GMT -5
I’d say JL is watchable. It’s not the worst thing I’ve ever seen but for what it should have been and what it represents and what it cost it’s a massive disappointment. With IV I can understand why it turned out so bad and it wasn’t unexpected. The dceu and justice league really should have been something special. They had the technology and the money and the resources to make something great. they had the mistakes of the past to learn from. Yet here we are 30 years after seeing the same bad blue screen shot of Superman flying we’re watching Superman’s cartoon face and a crappy cgi villain. Both movies even cut to heII in editing. 30 years later and it’s some of same problems!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 14, 2018 23:32:45 GMT -5
I’d say JL is watchable. It’s not the worst thing I’ve ever seen but for what it should have been and what it represents and what it cost it’s a massive disappointment. With IV I can understand why it turned out so bad and it wasn’t unexpected. The dceu and justice league really should have been something special. They had the technology and the money and the resources to make something great. they had the mistakes of the past to learn from. Yet here we are 30 years after seeing the same bad blue screen shot of Superman flying we’re watching Superman’s cartoon face and a crappy cgi villain. Both movies even cut to heII in editing. 30 years later and it’s some of same problems! For a 'fixup at the last minute' job, I think it's a good TV movie that we would consider great if it came out before Donner's StM back in '79.... Plus, we never got a chance to see how bad the Snyder original version of JL was- so..... the worse it was means more credit that Whedon should have gotten, but we really don't know how bad it was compared to what the finished product was. In any case, part of me still wonders how things would have played out instead if they stuck with Singer/Routh for MOS and had that version of Superman go into BvS and JL...... |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 15, 2018 9:23:23 GMT -5
That’s always going to be a big question mark because it always is in these situations. Just like the Superman II what if or the Solo what if. Snyder’s fans are always going to say if he’d gotten to finish it would have been better. We will never see their fully untainted fully completed versions so we’ll never know.
I think that if JL had come out in say...1996 or 97 even then it would have been a smash hit and hailed as one of if not the greatest comic book movie ever. Even now it’s a decent time waster but for back then it’s standard fare. It’s really no worse than Batman Forever (which was cut to heII itself) and that was a box office hit.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 15, 2018 12:20:00 GMT -5
That’s always going to be a big question mark because it always is in these situations. Just like the Superman II what if or the Solo what if. Snyder’s fans are always going to say if he’d gotten to finish it would have been better. We will never see their fully untainted fully completed versions so we’ll never know. I think that if JL had come out in say...1996 or 97 even then it would have been a smash hit and hailed as one of if not the greatest comic book movie ever. Even know it’s a decent time waster but for back then it’s standard fare. It’s really no worse than Batman Forever (which was cut to heII itself) and that was a box office hit. I still find it a bit odd how arbitrary it seems on what films do and don't get director's cuts. With DVD sales going so far down, I'm glad that at least companies have figured out that 'made to order' can be a good option if they don't want to mass-produce to reduce costs. That being the case- You'd think that releasing 'rough cuts'- with storyboards/subtitles for stuff that couldn't be shot- would be something for WB (and/or other studios) to explore, if costs were negligible. Wasn't there 6 or 7 cuts of Blade Runner released in one package? In any case, here's hoping eventually Disney will bend to doing recuts and/or extended ones of the Star Wars and MCU films one day. Since Disney did that (awful) LIon King extended cut, why not? |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 15, 2018 15:42:51 GMT -5
It usually depends on if the director is interested in coming back and working on his cut. If not the studio usually won’t do it for him and release it. With blade runner the original rough around the edges alternate version was found and screened without Scott’s involvment. That led to WB asking him to officially come back and work on his cut of the film.
There’s also cost and how much is left to do. The studio (WB? Morgan Creek?) let Paul Schrader come back and finish his version of the Exorcist prequel but they put very little money into it. Plus they felt they had nothing to lose after the Harlin version flopped so they wanted to recoup some costs. It also depends on if they think there’s a market for it. Schader is respected so they probably thought most people would see his film as better and want to give it a chance.
With justice league I’m guessing it’s a combination of bad blood and cost that’s going to keep a Snyder cut from being released any time soon. Despite what Snyder fans say is there a large enough market to make it worth it to spend that much to finish his cut of the film? It was so cgi heavy and one of the drawbacks to his style.
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Post by atp on Jul 23, 2022 11:55:36 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Jul 23, 2022 12:37:59 GMT -5
Hopefully he stays out. Time to start over from scratch.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 23, 2022 23:19:31 GMT -5
Hopefully he stays out. Time to start over from scratch. Depends on how the new iteration is. Could be even worse... never know until it comes out... |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 24, 2022 8:47:02 GMT -5
Hopefully he stays out. Time to start over from scratch. Depends on how the new iteration is. Could be even worse... never know until it comes out... I doubt it’ll be worse than what we’ve got now. DC is in a worst case situation right now when it comes to certain characters. |
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