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Post by Metallo on Sept 7, 2022 12:39:44 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 12, 2022 16:22:34 GMT -5
Wonder what the personal reasons were- but hopefully beyond the show, the guy can get life on track...
On another note- I haven't seen the show yet beyond the pilot, but generally I'd prefer they kill off a character rather than recast if the creative pluses outweight the creative minuses of doing so....
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Post by Metallo on Sept 12, 2022 17:44:27 GMT -5
I’d hate to speculate on it being anything really salacious. I mean who really knows.
It could be the same things many most actors deal with though. He’s young and he’s working long hours away from home. He’s probably burned out and doesn’t have the kind of social life someone his age wants to have. That might be affecting his relationships. All those things can lead to a lot of stress and depression and other mental health problems.
Even if he has some worse problems everything I just wrote probably is a factor in him stepping away from the show.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 12, 2022 19:16:16 GMT -5
I’d hate to speculate on it being anything really salacious. I mean who really knows. It could be the same things many most actors deal with though. He’s young and he’s working long hours away from home. He’s probably burned out and doesn’t have the kind of social life someone his age wants to have. That might be affecting his relationships. All those things can lead to a lot of stress and depression and other mental health problems. Even if he has some worse problems everything I just wrote probably is a factor in him stepping away from the show. Absolutely... there's always so much auto-speculation that spirals- I'm not trying to add to it. It could be 'normal' stresses of working too many hours away from home and family that can't be gotten back on a tv show schedule. But- story-wise, I wonder if it'll be better to kill the character off. It's not the first time that Berlianti's shows have had to deal with a lead actor leaving.... I'm sure they've had debates on the best route, but--- just my two cents on the outside of preference as an audience member... |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 12, 2022 22:31:35 GMT -5
I’d hate to speculate on it being anything really salacious. I mean who really knows. It could be the same things many most actors deal with though. He’s young and he’s working long hours away from home. He’s probably burned out and doesn’t have the kind of social life someone his age wants to have. That might be affecting his relationships. All those things can lead to a lot of stress and depression and other mental health problems. Even if he has some worse problems everything I just wrote probably is a factor in him stepping away from the show. Absolutely... there's always so much auto-speculation that spirals- I'm not trying to add to it. It could be 'normal' stresses of working too many hours away from home and family that can't be gotten back on a tv show schedule. But- story-wise, I wonder if it'll be better to kill the character off. It's not the first time that Berlianti's shows have had to deal with a lead actor leaving.... I'm sure they've had debates on the best route, but--- just my two cents on the outside of preference as an audience member... I think it would be a mistake to kill him off. Every live action Superman show since 1952 has had some kind of recasting of a major character during their run. Most of the time it worked out and things went on fine. There’s still way too much story there to explore with the Jonathan character as well as his relationships with the other characters. He’s the son of Superman with no powers (yet) and on top of that he has to watch as his brother does develop powers. What does that do to a kids head mentally and emotionally? How does that affect how he deals with his parents and his brother when certain things happen? Does he feel entitled? Left out? Before he was the more stable brother, the more dependable brother, the more gifted brother. Now he’s not after those roles turned on a dime very quickly. There’s a lot to cover there. It would be a shame to trash it all now just when its coming to a head. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 13, 2022 0:54:36 GMT -5
Absolutely... there's always so much auto-speculation that spirals- I'm not trying to add to it. It could be 'normal' stresses of working too many hours away from home and family that can't be gotten back on a tv show schedule. But- story-wise, I wonder if it'll be better to kill the character off. It's not the first time that Berlianti's shows have had to deal with a lead actor leaving.... I'm sure they've had debates on the best route, but--- just my two cents on the outside of preference as an audience member... I think it would be a mistake to kill him off. Every live action Superman show since 1952 has had some kind of recasting of a major character during their run. Most of the time it worked out and things went on fine. There’s still way too much story there to explore with the Jonathan character as well as his relationships with the other characters. He’s the son of Superman with no powers (yet) and on top of that he has to watch as his brother does develop powers. What does that do to a kids head mentally and emotionally? How does that affect how he deals with his parents and his brother when certain things happen? Does he feel entitled? Left out? Before he was the more stable brother, the more dependable brother, the more gifted brother. Now he’s not after those roles turned on a dime very quickly. There’s a lot to cover there. It would be a shame to trash it all now just when its coming to a head. You reminded me of how Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker - chose not to recast and just came up with one of the worst scripts ever- in part to not have to recast Leia.... so, I guess it is better to recast if it's anywhere close to a similar situation where you've built up something that hasn't been fulfilled yet... |
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Post by atp on Sept 13, 2022 13:49:30 GMT -5
I think it would be a mistake to kill him off. Every live action Superman show since 1952 has had some kind of recasting of a major character during their run. Most of the time it worked out and things went on fine. There’s still way too much story there to explore with the Jonathan character as well as his relationships with the other characters. He’s the son of Superman with no powers (yet) and on top of that he has to watch as his brother does develop powers. What does that do to a kids head mentally and emotionally? How does that affect how he deals with his parents and his brother when certain things happen? Does he feel entitled? Left out? Before he was the more stable brother, the more dependable brother, the more gifted brother. Now he’s not after those roles turned on a dime very quickly. There’s a lot to cover there. It would be a shame to trash it all now just when its coming to a head. You reminded me of how Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker - chose not to recast and just came up with one of the worst scripts ever- in part to not have to recast Leia.... so, I guess it is better to recast if it's anywhere close to a similar situation where you've built up something that hasn't been fulfilled yet... "Somehow Leia returned..." |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 14, 2022 18:05:45 GMT -5
I think it would be a mistake to kill him off. Every live action Superman show since 1952 has had some kind of recasting of a major character during their run. Most of the time it worked out and things went on fine. There’s still way too much story there to explore with the Jonathan character as well as his relationships with the other characters. He’s the son of Superman with no powers (yet) and on top of that he has to watch as his brother does develop powers. What does that do to a kids head mentally and emotionally? How does that affect how he deals with his parents and his brother when certain things happen? Does he feel entitled? Left out? Before he was the more stable brother, the more dependable brother, the more gifted brother. Now he’s not after those roles turned on a dime very quickly. There’s a lot to cover there. It would be a shame to trash it all now just when its coming to a head. You reminded me of how Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker - chose not to recast and just came up with one of the worst scripts ever- in part to not have to recast Leia.... so, I guess it is better to recast if it's anywhere close to a similar situation where you've built up something that hasn't been fulfilled yet... Yeah that was a bit of a different situation. At least with Jon Kent they’re replacing an actor relatively early on in his run. Its easier for most people to get over that kind of change and accept it. It’s one thing to recast someone who has barely begun to explore their character and make an impact. It’s much harder to recast someone who has played the role for several years if not decades and done it well. By that point a person has owned a role and entrenched themselves in peoples minds. It’d be like recasting Harrison Ford for Indy 4 or Leonard Nimoy for Star Trek VI. It would’ve been very hard for a lot of people to accept and see anyone else in those roles. They were in a really tough spot with Leia/Fisher. If they’d killed Leia before the events of episode 9 then they’d miss out on wrapping up her characters story on screen and giving fans a final goodbye. The CGI enhanced performance they spliced together was awkward and limited and wasn’t really satisfying either. Recasting would leave a lot of people feeling odd like they weren’t seeing the real Leia but a pretender. It simply wouldn’t have been the same without Fisher. In a lot of ways it was a no scenario. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 14, 2022 18:09:03 GMT -5
You reminded me of how Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker - chose not to recast and just came up with one of the worst scripts ever- in part to not have to recast Leia.... so, I guess it is better to recast if it's anywhere close to a similar situation where you've built up something that hasn't been fulfilled yet... "Somehow Leia returned..." “The dead speak!” Such a lazy sh!t film episode nine is. Maybe the worst Star Wars film ever. Even excluding all the problems that arose with Carrie Fishers death it’s still awful. Fisher passing away was beyond their control so I give Lucasfilm a pass on that. With everything else though was that really the best they found come up with? Disgraceful. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 22, 2022 14:20:11 GMT -5
"Somehow Leia returned..." “The dead speak!” Such a lazy sh!t film episode nine is. Maybe the worst Star Wars film ever. Even excluding all the problems that arose with Carrie Fishers death it’s still awful. Fisher passing away was beyond their control so I give Lucasfilm a pass on that. With everything else though was that really the best they found come up with? Disgraceful. Absolutely the worst!!! If JJ Abrams didn't do enough damage with Force Awakens and Trek: Into Darkness.... ough. Lucas might as well have sold Lucasfilm to Troma- couldn't have been much worse! |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 22, 2022 15:23:03 GMT -5
“The dead speak!” Such a lazy sh!t film episode nine is. Maybe the worst Star Wars film ever. Even excluding all the problems that arose with Carrie Fishers death it’s still awful. Fisher passing away was beyond their control so I give Lucasfilm a pass on that. With everything else though was that really the best they found come up with? Disgraceful. Absolutely the worst!!! If JJ Abrams didn't do enough damage with Force Awakens and Trek: Into Darkness.... ough. Lucas might as well have sold Lucasfilm to Troma- couldn't have been much worse! I didn’t mind selling Lucasfilm to Disney. It wasn’t any worse a choice than any other big company. Selling to a big corporate beast like that is always going to have drawbacks and it was never going to be as good as Star Wars was in the 80s but that would have been true under anyone including Lucas himself if he’d kept it. He was well past his creative prime. I’m not a sexist Kathleen Kennedy hater and she’s had her wins but she’s still the wrong person to run Lucasfilm (George’s fault). She had no plan for Star Wars long term and she doesn’t know how to pick the right people. Sometimes she’s gotten lucky but usually she disagrees with people who are sometimes the wrong choice and sometimes the right choice for a Star Wars project. The key is picking the right person in the first place, being on the same page with them, and supporting them to develop something of top quality. Star Wars has lacked that kind of cohesive creative direction since Disney bought it. As for JJ Abrams the guy is creatively bankrupt. He’s a good producer and that’s where his talent lies. As a writer and director he’s a good mimic but doesn’t know how to create and execute something of quality himself. That’s why his career highs as a film director have consisted of rehashing what other people did with Mission: Impossible, Star Trek, Star Wars, etc. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 22, 2022 17:16:47 GMT -5
Absolutely the worst!!! If JJ Abrams didn't do enough damage with Force Awakens and Trek: Into Darkness.... ough. Lucas might as well have sold Lucasfilm to Troma- couldn't have been much worse! I didn’t mind selling Lucasfilm to Disney. It wasn’t any worse a choice than any other big company. Selling to a big corporate beast like that is always going to have drawbacks and it was never going to be as good as Star Wars was in the 80s but that would have been true under anyone including Lucas himself if he’d kept it. He was well past his creative prime. I’m not a sexist Kathleen Kennedy hater and she’s had her wins but she’s still the wrong person to run Lucasfilm (George’s fault). She had no plan for Star Wars long term and she doesn’t know how to pick the right people. Sometimes she’s gotten lucky but usually she disagrees with people who are sometimes the wrong choice and sometimes the right choice for a Star Wars project. The key is picking the right person in the first place, being on the same page with them, and supporting them to develop something of top quality. Star Wars has lacked that kind of cohesive creative direction since Disney bought it. As for JJ Abrams the guy is creatively bankrupt. He’s a good producer and that’s where his talent lies. As a writer and director he’s a good mimic but doesn’t know how to create and execute something of quality himself. That’s why his career highs as a film director have consisted of rehashing what other people did with Mission: Impossible, Star Trek, Star Wars, etc. The thought of gender NEVER entered my head as far as why the Star Wars sequels went south. The problem was choosing someone who didn't have a good guiding vision for the sequels- ideally he should have picked someone who would have had some creative guidelines and good story sense and know how to pick the right people to be aligned with it. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 22, 2022 20:24:46 GMT -5
I didn’t mind selling Lucasfilm to Disney. It wasn’t any worse a choice than any other big company. Selling to a big corporate beast like that is always going to have drawbacks and it was never going to be as good as Star Wars was in the 80s but that would have been true under anyone including Lucas himself if he’d kept it. He was well past his creative prime. I’m not a sexist Kathleen Kennedy hater and she’s had her wins but she’s still the wrong person to run Lucasfilm (George’s fault). She had no plan for Star Wars long term and she doesn’t know how to pick the right people. Sometimes she’s gotten lucky but usually she disagrees with people who are sometimes the wrong choice and sometimes the right choice for a Star Wars project. The key is picking the right person in the first place, being on the same page with them, and supporting them to develop something of top quality. Star Wars has lacked that kind of cohesive creative direction since Disney bought it. As for JJ Abrams the guy is creatively bankrupt. He’s a good producer and that’s where his talent lies. As a writer and director he’s a good mimic but doesn’t know how to create and execute something of quality himself. That’s why his career highs as a film director have consisted of rehashing what other people did with Mission: Impossible, Star Trek, Star Wars, etc. The thought of gender NEVER entered my head as far as why the Star Wars sequels went south. The problem was choosing someone who didn't have a good guiding vision for the sequels- ideally he should have picked someone who would have had some creative guidelines and good story sense and know how to pick the right people to be aligned with it. Never said it did just pointing out that it never entered my head either. My point was a lot of people out there do get hung up on that and the idea that she has some feminist agenda that played a part in “ruining” Star Wars. That’s ridiculousness. Lucas picked Kennedy to succeed him but his judgement has been questionable for years. She’s a good producer but not the kind of hands on creative lead type of producer that Star Wars needs. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 23, 2022 2:41:52 GMT -5
The thought of gender NEVER entered my head as far as why the Star Wars sequels went south. The problem was choosing someone who didn't have a good guiding vision for the sequels- ideally he should have picked someone who would have had some creative guidelines and good story sense and know how to pick the right people to be aligned with it. Never said it did just pointing out that it never entered my head either. My point was a lot of people out there do get hung up on that and the idea that she has some feminist agenda that played a part in “ruining” Star Wars. That’s ridiculousness. Lucas picked Kennedy to succeed him but his judgement has been questionable for years. She’s a good producer but not the kind of hands on creative lead type of producer that Star Wars needs. At one point I might have proposed Speilberg as the producer- but it still might not have been a surefire guarantee that it would have turned out better.... Speilberg has masterpieces, but he's proven to be just as human as others and also had creative mehs and flops as well.... but- moot point, I guess. Also, it's odd I think that a number of people feel like Star Wars was never solely about the Skywalker family- whereas my own feeling is that the strongest thing would have been to have made it a generational series of movies based on the family and not get greedy with spinoffs. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 25, 2022 12:21:08 GMT -5
Never said it did just pointing out that it never entered my head either. My point was a lot of people out there do get hung up on that and the idea that she has some feminist agenda that played a part in “ruining” Star Wars. That’s ridiculousness. Lucas picked Kennedy to succeed him but his judgement has been questionable for years. She’s a good producer but not the kind of hands on creative lead type of producer that Star Wars needs. At one point I might have proposed Speilberg as the producer- but it still might not have been a surefire guarantee that it would have turned out better.... Speilberg has masterpieces, but he's proven to be just as human as others and also had creative mehs and flops as well.... but- moot point, I guess. Also, it's odd I think that a number of people feel like Star Wars was never solely about the Skywalker family- whereas my own feeling is that the strongest thing would have been to have made it a generational series of movies based on the family and not get greedy with spinoffs. I don’t think Spielberg is that guy or that kind of director anymore. Seemed like he’s evolved past that stage of his career. Probably one reason he decided to pass on Indy 5. I don’t think his heart is into that kind of stuff anymore at least as a hands on producer or director. Star Wars should be bigger than the Skywalker clan and their extended family. The main saga was about them but as an overall franchise trying to tie everything back to them is one thing that’s hurt the franchise over the years. It’s shrank the Star Wars universe when the goal should be to make it more diverse and expansive in stories, characters, settings etc. everyone knows everyone and is connected to everyone else and so are the events. That’s been a mistake. They need to stop rehashing everything and relying so much on nostalgia. Rise of Skywalker choked on that kind of nostalgia driven “everything is connected” approach |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 25, 2022 21:38:34 GMT -5
At one point I might have proposed Speilberg as the producer- but it still might not have been a surefire guarantee that it would have turned out better.... Speilberg has masterpieces, but he's proven to be just as human as others and also had creative mehs and flops as well.... but- moot point, I guess. Also, it's odd I think that a number of people feel like Star Wars was never solely about the Skywalker family- whereas my own feeling is that the strongest thing would have been to have made it a generational series of movies based on the family and not get greedy with spinoffs. I don’t think Spielberg is that guy or that kind of director anymore. Seemed like he’s evolved past that stage of his career. Probably one reason he decided to pass on Indy 5. I don’t think his heart is into that kind of stuff anymore at least as a hands on producer or director. Star Wars should be bigger than the Skywalker clan and their extended family. The main saga was about them but as an overall franchise trying to tie everything back to them is one thing that’s hurt the franchise over the years. It’s shrank the Star Wars universe when the goal should be to make it more diverse and expansive in stories, characters, settings etc. everyone knows everyone and is connected to everyone else and so are the events. That’s been a mistake. They need to stop rehashing everything and relying so much on nostalgia. Rise of Skywalker choked on that kind of nostalgia driven “everything is connected” approach I agree that Star Wars can be bigger than the Skywalker clan- but if I were in charge, I would have kept the family as the focal point for all their films- and have them go around different parts of their galaxy- and even do generations for the movies and be far more sparing in doing tv shows or other live action properties to keep it as a special event. But- the whole execution of the prequels might have been a disaster, but the sequels overall pretty much even more so. Such a sad waste of potential. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 25, 2022 23:04:19 GMT -5
I don’t think Spielberg is that guy or that kind of director anymore. Seemed like he’s evolved past that stage of his career. Probably one reason he decided to pass on Indy 5. I don’t think his heart is into that kind of stuff anymore at least as a hands on producer or director. Star Wars should be bigger than the Skywalker clan and their extended family. The main saga was about them but as an overall franchise trying to tie everything back to them is one thing that’s hurt the franchise over the years. It’s shrank the Star Wars universe when the goal should be to make it more diverse and expansive in stories, characters, settings etc. everyone knows everyone and is connected to everyone else and so are the events. That’s been a mistake. They need to stop rehashing everything and relying so much on nostalgia. Rise of Skywalker choked on that kind of nostalgia driven “everything is connected” approach I agree that Star Wars can be bigger than the Skywalker clan- but if I were in charge, I would have kept the family as the focal point for all their films- and have them go around different parts of their galaxy- and even do generations for the movies and be far more sparing in doing tv shows or other live action properties to keep it as a special event. But- the whole execution of the prequels might have been a disaster, but the sequels overall pretty much even more so. Such a sad waste of potential. Personally I don’t think they’d need to do that. They need to grow the franchise and it’s storytelling potential not rely on the same thing. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 25, 2022 23:39:59 GMT -5
I agree that Star Wars can be bigger than the Skywalker clan- but if I were in charge, I would have kept the family as the focal point for all their films- and have them go around different parts of their galaxy- and even do generations for the movies and be far more sparing in doing tv shows or other live action properties to keep it as a special event. But- the whole execution of the prequels might have been a disaster, but the sequels overall pretty much even more so. Such a sad waste of potential. Personally I don’t think they’d need to do that. They need to grow the franchise and it’s storytelling potential not rely on the same thing. I guess it's a question of what kind of content you (broadly speaking) as a fan would want to see. I'm not saying that my vision would be guaranteed to restore the highs of the box office of the originals- but my own preference on how the whole Star Wars is being treated under Disney. For me, I'm thinking (partially) of how things were when SW first came out- part would be supply/demand- but also degree of excellence, of course. If there were ONLY the Star Wars films every few years - no other tv shows/spinoffs/etc.- and you bonded like crazy to these primary characters... and it might have restored a sense of being 'an event'. As is- too many series with mediocre (or less quality) with too many movies with mediocre (or less) quality- already seemed to have tainted the Star Wars Disney galaxy as a whole. But... it seems like that's my view, but it's already expanded enough that many fans seem to clamor for different parts of that universe--- While it's all fan dreaming, I am curious how others might (if playing this 'what if' game)- approach dealing with the SW property if it was possible to rewind the clock and Disney JUST acquired it. |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 26, 2022 12:24:20 GMT -5
Personally I don’t think they’d need to do that. They need to grow the franchise and it’s storytelling potential not rely on the same thing. I guess it's a question of what kind of content you (broadly speaking) as a fan would want to see. I'm not saying that my vision would be guaranteed to restore the highs of the box office of the originals- but my own preference on how the whole Star Wars is being treated under Disney. For me, I'm thinking (partially) of how things were when SW first came out- part would be supply/demand- but also degree of excellence, of course. If there were ONLY the Star Wars films every few years - no other tv shows/spinoffs/etc.- and you bonded like crazy to these primary characters... and it might have restored a sense of being 'an event'. As is- too many series with mediocre (or less quality) with too many movies with mediocre (or less) quality- already seemed to have tainted the Star Wars Disney galaxy as a whole. But... it seems like that's my view, but it's already expanded enough that many fans seem to clamor for different parts of that universe--- While it's all fan dreaming, I am curious how others might (if playing this 'what if' game)- approach dealing with the SW property if it was possible to rewind the clock and Disney JUST acquired it. I’m not picky. I’m just not one to pigeonhole Star Wars into what I think it needs to be. Keep the basics, the bare minimum, and go from there. Star Wars needs to stop relying on formula if it’s going to survive and grow. With a universe that could be that expensive there are a lot of things it can do but sadly the franchise is a victim of its creators incompetence but also it’s fandoms opinions and expectations. Whatever they do the quality needs to come first though. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 16, 2023 16:44:21 GMT -5
I really really want to like Superman & Lois- (bought both seasons on blu ray based on all the praise from friends and the internet)- but... somehow part of me keeps avoiding it. I did see the pilot episode, which was a mixed bag to me.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 1, 2023 0:17:05 GMT -5
I have yet to hear ANYONE cheer for Gotham Knights. I haven't seen it yet, so I can't judge, but.... the silence is notable on Gunn's part.
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