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Post by EnriqueH on Aug 6, 2020 10:02:32 GMT -5
Speaking of Shazam, I loved it! I thought it was going to bad/ok, but it’s my favorite DC film so far. I saw the first 10 minutes or so of Aquaman and was enjoying it.
I rank them like this:
1) Shazam
2) Wonder Woman (good not great)
3) Batman v Superman (entertaining/diverting but shitty ass Superman story. Plus: Affleck’s Batman and WW. Lex Luther was embarrassingly bad. After Rosenbaum’s awesome portrayal, I can’t believe they regressed this badly on Lex.
4) MOS (it’s just not Superman. Like Ilya Salkind said “It was a little Batmanish.” Enjoyed Krypton but movie got worse as it went on.
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Post by dejan on Aug 6, 2020 12:45:22 GMT -5
That Darkseid glimpse in the Snyder Cut Teaser there kinda sums up how the movie making process has changed over the last few decades. For the RDC: Donner had to rely on whatever of his own 1977/78 footage he could find in 2005 and fill out the gaps with Lester's 1979 stuff. For the Snyder Cut: Snyder simply has to find whatever green screen material he shot...….and fill out the gaps with CGI.  |
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Post by atp on Aug 6, 2020 13:08:16 GMT -5
Mr Snyder please create CGI villains rule the world scene
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Post by Metallo on Aug 6, 2020 16:08:12 GMT -5
LOL. Well you got your wish because that’s all MOS was.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 7, 2020 13:45:05 GMT -5
Mr Snyder please create CGI villains rule the world scene Bizzarely- One thing that I thought was a minimum that I was looking forward to were the 'money shots' that you could frame that Zack Snyder provided with '300' and 'Watchmen'--- but then, a lot of MOS ended up being 'shakicam'- UGH! |
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Post by dejan on Aug 7, 2020 18:52:53 GMT -5
LOL. Well you got your wish because that’s all MOS was. LOL This shot from Snyder:  Actually resembles this:  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 8, 2020 14:55:24 GMT -5
The sad thing about MOS to me is that while there was a lot of action, it just also was shot in a way that seemed just very noisy and fast.
If anything screamed out for something to be done in a stylish fashion, I think it would have been a superhero fight. (The Roussos did this right with their Marvel movies- VERY cinematic).
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Post by dejan on Aug 8, 2020 16:53:27 GMT -5
The sad thing about MOS to me is that while there was a lot of action, it just also was shot in a way that seemed just very noisy and fast. If anything screamed out for something to be done in a stylish fashion, I think it would have been a superhero fight. (The Roussos did this right with their Marvel movies- VERY cinematic). If there was a remote chance that the Russos could shoot a Superman film in the future......I personally would love to see it. For me they were the true revelation of the MCU. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 9, 2020 10:22:22 GMT -5
The sad thing about MOS to me is that while there was a lot of action, it just also was shot in a way that seemed just very noisy and fast. If anything screamed out for something to be done in a stylish fashion, I think it would have been a superhero fight. (The Roussos did this right with their Marvel movies- VERY cinematic). The Russo’s brought a much needed reality to the action in the MCU that grounded it and made it believable and modern while still having the dramatic weight and tension Snyder’s movies lacked. They took what Favreau did in Iron Man and made it grittier and sharper while retaining the believability. Heres a hot take: The Russo’s handled action in their Marvel movies better than Nolan did in his Batman movies. They also were able to adapt those Bourne style action filming influences to their movies better than Nolan did. When Nolan tried it all it could get confusing and one might lose the sense of what’s going on. The Russo’s avoided that problem. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 9, 2020 10:29:43 GMT -5
LOL. Well you got your wish because that’s all MOS was. LOL This shot from Snyder: Actually resembles this: Wouldn’t surprise me at all. I think Snyder cribbed a lot of specific shots and influences from movies tho he’d never admit it. Same with Goyer on the writing side. The shot of Superman flying above the horses in MOS is very reminiscent of a shot of Supergirl doing the same in the 84 movie. The same with some shots of Batman compared to previous Batman films. Goyer clearly copied and pasted ideas and entire sequences from other movies for his scripts wether it was Superman movies or other sci fi and action movies. MOS is like Part Superman the movie and Superman II, part Superman Returns, Part The Matrix, part Avatar, and part 2007 Transformers. It’s like these guys sat down with their production team and took notes while watching older movies. Even Doomsday from BvS comes off as a modern reworking of Nuclear Man. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 9, 2020 18:42:00 GMT -5
I have/had no problem if Snyder or Goyer wanted to cut/paste/copy anything.... but the end result is what bothered me. Lucas copied from everywhere and got the original Star Wars, so I'm cool with whatever is done as long as the final movie works.... for me.  |
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Post by dejan on Aug 10, 2020 19:22:24 GMT -5
I have/had no problem if Snyder or Goyer wanted to cut/paste/copy anything.... but the end result is what bothered me. Lucas copied from everywhere and got the original Star Wars, so I'm cool with whatever is done as long as the final movie works.... for me. @cam & Metallo Totally agreed on Snyder copying and pasting DIRECTLY from other movies(old and new). Doomsday reminded me of the cave trolls from LOTR.....it essentially was a cave troll...right down to the movements and expressions! I just re watched MOS for the first time in a couple of years on my projection system. Bear in mind that over the last month I have essentially been watching movies exclusively from 1978(also using the projector--JVC -NX9)....I did depart just once...about a week or 2 back to watch Rampage(2018) on amazon prime(on my laptop) I also watched Cavill's 2001 film debut in Laguna(also on my laptop through youtube). So watching MOS in the best quality possible...…..I was even more disappointed watching it tonight than when I saw it 2013 on the big screen.....it's a mess...sorry I may sound harsh.....but it is S**t. One massive plothole which I noticed tonight is when Fauora is duffing up the soldiers on the C-130(with Lois hanging off the rampart---not that even that is noticeable!)…….the Krypton Key is half inserted into Kalel's spaceship.....and Hamilton has just figured out that he has to press it further inside to activate the singularity......well duh.....all Faoura had to do was stop duffing up the soldiers(but hey Zac thinks it looks so cool)…..and pull out the key....job done for Zod and Co! Given the fact that Faoura is a Kryptonian and is familiar with the tech......how she failed to notice that Hamilton(and Lois) were trying to insert the key in the first place is a classic case of story telling being moth balled in favour of some cool action sequence(not that it was anything special). Also the CG does not hold up on a big screen and high resolution(my projector is pseudo 8K!). The flatness of the green screened foregrounds to the synthetic CG backgrounds is jarring to put it mildly. Sometimes I curse the day CG was invented...as a novelty it works for the T1000 walking through some flames or the odd Dinosaur strolling through a park......but once you take it to saturation point...like in a film such as MOS ......you are just left with a cake where the icing just drips and drips! |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 12, 2020 10:38:46 GMT -5
I have/had no problem if Snyder or Goyer wanted to cut/paste/copy anything.... but the end result is what bothered me. Lucas copied from everywhere and got the original Star Wars, so I'm cool with whatever is done as long as the final movie works.... for me. The difference is Lucas and co were smart enough skilled enough and creative enough to rework those ideas and make them their own. I don’t think of Flash Gordon or Doctor Doom or any other influences when watching Star Wars. Goyer just lazily cribbed ideas from other better films without doing something new or interesting with them. Superman is just a pastiche of ideas from other characters and stories but Siegel and Shuster and later creators remixed and reworked them in such a good way that Superman stands on his own as his own character. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 12, 2020 10:51:50 GMT -5
I have/had no problem if Snyder or Goyer wanted to cut/paste/copy anything.... but the end result is what bothered me. Lucas copied from everywhere and got the original Star Wars, so I'm cool with whatever is done as long as the final movie works.... for me. @cam & Metallo Totally agreed on Snyder copying and pasting DIRECTLY from other movies(old and new). Doomsday reminded me of the cave trolls from LOTR.....it essentially was a cave troll...right down to the movements and expressions! I just re watched MOS for the first time in a couple of years on my projection system. Bear in mind that over the last month I have essentially been watching movies exclusively from 1978(also using the projector--JVC -NX9)....I did depart just once...about a week or 2 back to watch Rampage(2018) on amazon prime(on my laptop) I also watched Cavill's 2001 film debut in Laguna(also on my laptop through youtube). So watching MOS in the best quality possible...…..I was even more disappointed watching it tonight than when I saw it 2013 on the big screen.....it's a mess...sorry I may sound harsh.....but it is S**t. One massive plothole which I noticed tonight is when Fauora is duffing up the soldiers on the C-130(with Lois hanging off the rampart---not that even that is noticeable!)…….the Krypton Key is half inserted into Kalel's spaceship.....and Hamilton has just figured out that he has to press it further inside to activate the singularity......well duh.....all Faoura had to do was stop duffing up the soldiers(but hey Zac thinks it looks so cool)…..and pull out the key....job done for Zod and Co! Given the fact that Faoura is a Kryptonian and is familiar with the tech......how she failed to notice that Hamilton(and Lois) were trying to insert the key in the first place is a classic case of story telling being moth balled in favour of some cool action sequence(not that it was anything special). Also the CG does not hold up on a big screen and high resolution(my projector is pseudo 8K!). The flatness of the green screened foregrounds to the synthetic CG backgrounds is jarring to put it mildly. Sometimes I curse the day CG was invented...as a novelty it works for the T1000 walking through some flames or the odd Dinosaur strolling through a park......but once you take it to saturation point...like in a film such as MOS ......you are just left with a cake where the icing just drips and drips! Some of the green screen shots are quite terrible. The stuff with Perry Jenny and Lombard was obviously on a soundstage. There are several Shots like that in MOS and BVS. Here’s another question: why is Lois FALLING when the singularity is sucking up debris much bigger and heavier than her? Obviously done for the shot of Superman flying in and saving her but it makes no damm sense. He even has trouble escaping its pull once he catches her.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 12, 2020 21:30:29 GMT -5
I wasn’t a fan of MOS and thought BvS was mildly entertaining, so I don’t think more Zack Snyder will make me like JL any more than the previous 2 films, but hey. More power to the fans who enjoyed Snyder’s DCU work. For me Personally, I can’t imagine it would be much better than the first two films. I still haven’t seen the theatrical. It has been YEARS since I saw MOS so I want to give it another chance At his best, Snyder has some gorgeous looking fight scenes. Looking forward to that with actors in costume. (as opposed to the superhero shows that don't want them) I think the key to enjoying this project is having expectations adjusted on a case by case basis... |
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Post by atp on Aug 12, 2020 23:15:21 GMT -5
I watched MoS again a few days ago. The CGI is truly awful. It looks and feels like a videogame.
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Post by dejan on Aug 13, 2020 5:58:05 GMT -5
@cam & Metallo Totally agreed on Snyder copying and pasting DIRECTLY from other movies(old and new). Doomsday reminded me of the cave trolls from LOTR.....it essentially was a cave troll...right down to the movements and expressions! I just re watched MOS for the first time in a couple of years on my projection system. Bear in mind that over the last month I have essentially been watching movies exclusively from 1978(also using the projector--JVC -NX9)....I did depart just once...about a week or 2 back to watch Rampage(2018) on amazon prime(on my laptop) I also watched Cavill's 2001 film debut in Laguna(also on my laptop through youtube). So watching MOS in the best quality possible...…..I was even more disappointed watching it tonight than when I saw it 2013 on the big screen.....it's a mess...sorry I may sound harsh.....but it is S**t. One massive plothole which I noticed tonight is when Fauora is duffing up the soldiers on the C-130(with Lois hanging off the rampart---not that even that is noticeable!)…….the Krypton Key is half inserted into Kalel's spaceship.....and Hamilton has just figured out that he has to press it further inside to activate the singularity......well duh.....all Faoura had to do was stop duffing up the soldiers(but hey Zac thinks it looks so cool)…..and pull out the key....job done for Zod and Co! Given the fact that Faoura is a Kryptonian and is familiar with the tech......how she failed to notice that Hamilton(and Lois) were trying to insert the key in the first place is a classic case of story telling being moth balled in favour of some cool action sequence(not that it was anything special). Also the CG does not hold up on a big screen and high resolution(my projector is pseudo 8K!). The flatness of the green screened foregrounds to the synthetic CG backgrounds is jarring to put it mildly. Sometimes I curse the day CG was invented...as a novelty it works for the T1000 walking through some flames or the odd Dinosaur strolling through a park......but once you take it to saturation point...like in a film such as MOS ......you are just left with a cake where the icing just drips and drips! Some of the green screen shots are quite terrible. The stuff with Perry Jenny and Lombard was obviously on a soundstage. There are several Shots like that in MOS and BVS. Here’s another question: why is Lois FALLING when the singularity is sucking up debris much bigger and heavier than her? Obviously done for the shot of Superman flying in and saving her but it makes no damm sense. He even has trouble escaping its pull once he catches her. Excellent catch Metallo. That whole sequence is riddled with such contradictions. The irony is that Snyder wanted to depict a real world Superman.....and that depiction failed on every level.....from the way the people of earth reacted to Supe's(i.e they barely reacted at all!)...to the other contradictory laws of physics that you outlined above. And the CG is poor......standard fare for 2013.....I preferred the equivalent scenes in Pacific Rim personally.....and you know you are in trouble when shlock like Pacific Rim outshines your own work. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 13, 2020 8:25:29 GMT -5
Visually Snyder’s action sequences and fight scenes are well choreographed and framed but even most of those bore me because they’re usually missing a vital ingredient: emotional resonance. I know I usually don’t care about the characters in his films or what’s going on.
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Post by dejan on Aug 13, 2020 12:09:21 GMT -5
Visually Snyder’s action sequences and fight scenes are well choreographed and framed but even most of those bore me because they’re usually missing a vital ingredient: emotional resonance. I know I usually don’t care about the characters in his films or what’s going on. Yes I think this is best exemplified by the big(and IMHO Non derived) Kryptonian guy who aids Faoura in Smallville in the fight against Supes. If you watch MOS that character literally does nothing(and is barely seen) until he shows up at Fauora's side. Sure, he picks up a van and tosses it at the chopper.....a well executed piece of SPFX..... but without even the briefest slice of character exposition it just has zero resonance. Also if I wanted to watch characters chucking vans and stuff at each other I only had to look at 2008's Hulk(another flawed flick)…...in fact some of the super human movements and actions from MOS remind me of the bust ups in Hulk 2008. So Zac never broke new ground in MOS. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 13, 2020 20:28:59 GMT -5
Visually Snyder’s action sequences and fight scenes are well choreographed and framed but even most of those bore me because they’re usually missing a vital ingredient: emotional resonance. I know I usually don’t care about the characters in his films or what’s going on. Yes I think this is best exemplified by the big(and IMHO Non derived) Kryptonian guy who aids Faoura in Smallville in the fight against Supes. If you watch MOS that character literally does nothing(and is barely seen) until he shows up at Fauora's side. Sure, he picks up a van and tosses it at the chopper.....a well executed piece of SPFX..... but without even the briefest slice of character exposition it just has zero resonance. Also if I wanted to watch characters chucking vans and stuff at each other I only had to look at 2008's Hulk(another flawed flick)…...in fact some of the super human movements and actions from MOS remind me of the bust ups in Hulk 2008. So Zac never broke new ground in MOS. Interestingly the changes from Ang Lee’s Hulk to The Incredible Hulk mirror what happened with SR and MOS in a lot of ways. A more cerebral character driven film underperformed and led to a more action heavy reboot that was part of a shared universe. Both were relaunches of the characters in the digital fx age. One of the biggest differences is Superman went from less emotionally damaged in SR to more in MOS but with Banner/Hulk he went from more in Hulk to less in TIH. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 22, 2020 19:27:48 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 27, 2020 0:55:46 GMT -5
If only this was the Donner cut that they were throwing money at.... oh well, I guess as long as it's not MY $70 million... |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 21, 2020 20:10:28 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/leto-reprises-joker-for-snydercut-reshoots/Ugh...Ok? this is looking more and more like a jam packed overly complicated clusterf*ck. I know Letos scenes got cut from Suicide Squad I felt for him But what we got was pretty lame and trying way too hard. Not sure what else they could do with him beyond fulfilling Snyder’s weird fetishistic obsessions in this universe like showing him killing Robin. Adding him doesn’t contribute to building the Justice League. That’s what Snyder should be focusing on.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 21, 2020 20:27:24 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/leto-reprises-joker-for-snydercut-reshoots/Ugh...Ok? this is looking more and more like a jam packed overly complicated clusterf*ck. I know Letos scenes got cut from Suicide Squad I felt for him But what we got was pretty lame and trying way too hard. Not sure what else they could do with him beyond fulfilling Snyder’s weird fetishistic obsessions in this universe like showing him killing Robin. Adding him doesn’t contribute to building the Justice League. That’s what Snyder should be focusing on. If Snyder wanted to impress me, he could have gotten Bale back as Batman. I don't have anything against Leto at all- but the only thing I can think of is that WB might have asked Snyder to include Leto as Joker to get back to the 'shared universe' thing.... but.... Suicide Squad did not impress and actually pissed me off with the bit of Batfleck forcing himself on Harley Quinn.... very UN-heroic if you ask me! But then again... bragging about killing off Jimmy Olsen doesn't exactly elevate humanity either! |
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