Justice League: The Snyder Cut

[Metallo]

Forcing himself? I thought he was giving her mouth to mouth resuscitation after she’d been underwater so long and nearly drowned. From what I remember she’s the one that actually grabbed him and pulled him in for something closer for a kiss while he was doing that and he ended up handcuffing her.

As for Leto...maybe? You could be right and this is just WB’s way to bring him back and get him back in peoples minds as Joker for some future project. They did ask that Ezra Miller be added to the COIE project for that very same reason.

[crazy_asian_man]

Oct 22, 2020 7:53:17 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Forcing himself? I thought he was giving her mouth to mouth resuscitation after she’d been underwater so long and nearly drowned. From what I remember she’s the one that actually grabbed him and pulled him in for something closer for a kiss while he was doing that and he ended up handcuffing her.

As for Leto...maybe? You could be right and this is just WB’s way to bring him back and get him back in peoples minds as Joker for some future project. They did ask that Ezra Miller be added to the COIE project for that very same reason.

I'll have to watch it again. You might be right.

I wish I could get more excited about Snyder's JL redo.... with all those resources, it seems like it would be somewhat easy to take those same resources and fix Donner's SII and put it on HBO max....

[Metallo]

Boy am I already bracing the for this to be another disaster.

[crazy_asian_man]

Well.... I have far less pain on it as it's not one director destroying another director's vision- i.e. SII....

Looking forward to it- on some levels. If the action and cosplay is nice, that's my bar for this.

[Metallo]

Well...actually... David Ayer had a hand in crafting this Joker. Unless it was him letting Leto do anything he wanted on suicide squad and Snyder is doing the same thing here Snyder kind of is altering another directors take on the character.

[crazy_asian_man]

The good/bad of it is that I didn’t think much of Suicide Squad either.... so I don’t feel like anything fantastic is going to be lost even if it’s a disaster

[Metallo]

There might be a better movie somewhere in suicide squad. We’ll never know until it gets the recut treatment. With justice league I think by this point we have a good idea of what we would have gotten if Snyder hadn’t been canned. In proper context maybe joker would have been better but if anyone can make it worse it’s Snyder. Joker and Luthor both got trashed on screen that year. People talk about Marvels villain problem but DCs was far worse under Snyder.

[crazy_asian_man]

Feb 6, 2021 10:43:54 GMT -5 Metallo said:

There might be a better movie somewhere in suicide squad. We’ll never know until it gets the recut treatment. With justice league I think by this point we have a good idea of what we would have gotten if Snyder hadn’t been canned. In proper context maybe joker would have been better but if anyone can make it worse it’s Snyder. Joker and Luthor both got trashed on screen that year. People talk about Marvels villain problem but DCs was far worse under Snyder.

I was initially wondering how they could really expand a movie into 10-20 episodes, but one 4-hour movie is fine by me... and makes far more sense. I was okay with the Joss Whedon version, but only 'ok' - but given that his hands were tied so much, even ok is a bit of an accomplishment.

I don't have that big a bar for the Snyder JL at all.... but unlike the times when the Reeve Superman movies or the Burton Batman movies came out, I didn't feel the stress that THIS movie will make or break the future of superhero movies getting made in Hollywood as a whole-

The reason being the main thing being that we have/got a giant string of good-excellent superhero films under the MCU by Kevin Feige to show the creative and box office potential available from comic book movies.... also that one doesn't have to stick to one particular formula to make it work, as long as you stay true to the spirit of what makes the source material great.

On the other hand, if Justice League had Routh and Bale as Superman and Batman- I would have higher expectations and hope.

As is? Looking forward to it mildly. Hope it's not as painful as the trailer with the 'alleluyah' song.

[Metallo]

[Metallo]

Feb 9, 2021 1:42:22 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Feb 6, 2021 10:43:54 GMT -5 Metallo said:

There might be a better movie somewhere in suicide squad. We’ll never know until it gets the recut treatment. With justice league I think by this point we have a good idea of what we would have gotten if Snyder hadn’t been canned. In proper context maybe joker would have been better but if anyone can make it worse it’s Snyder. Joker and Luthor both got trashed on screen that year. People talk about Marvels villain problem but DCs was far worse under Snyder.

I was initially wondering how they could really expand a movie into 10-20 episodes, but one 4-hour movie is fine by me... and makes far more sense. I was okay with the Joss Whedon version, but only 'ok' - but given that his hands were tied so much, even ok is a bit of an accomplishment.

I don't have that big a bar for the Snyder JL at all.... but unlike the times when the Reeve Superman movies or the Burton Batman movies came out, I didn't feel the stress that THIS movie will make or break the future of superhero movies getting made in Hollywood as a whole-

The reason being the main thing being that we have/got a giant string of good-excellent superhero films under the MCU by Kevin Feige to show the creative and box office potential available from comic book movies.... also that one doesn't have to stick to one particular formula to make it work, as long as you stay true to the spirit of what makes the source material great.

On the other hand, if Justice League had Routh and Bale as Superman and Batman- I would have higher expectations and hope.

As is? Looking forward to it mildly. Hope it's not as painful as the trailer with the 'alleluyah' song.

Justice League was never going to break the future of superhero movies but it was going to break the future of dc movies particularly the shared universe. Which it has. Things are still pretty uncertain.

I think what we’ve learned is you can have a lot of different formulas but for a shared universe Feige’s is probably the best one. WB tried to hotshot a universe with no real plan and a rushed set of movies and most people couldn’t be bothered. On top of that half the movies were awful.

The Snyder cut was never going to be ten episodes. More like 4. That is the smarter play of they’re after more long term subscribers instead of one big four hour movie. Snyder shot enough for either one but for a four part episodic format he’d probably need to shoot some bridging material and caps for episodes.

[crazy_asian_man]

Feb 10, 2021 10:58:00 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Feb 9, 2021 1:42:22 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

I was initially wondering how they could really expand a movie into 10-20 episodes, but one 4-hour movie is fine by me... and makes far more sense. I was okay with the Joss Whedon version, but only 'ok' - but given that his hands were tied so much, even ok is a bit of an accomplishment.

I don't have that big a bar for the Snyder JL at all.... but unlike the times when the Reeve Superman movies or the Burton Batman movies came out, I didn't feel the stress that THIS movie will make or break the future of superhero movies getting made in Hollywood as a whole-

The reason being the main thing being that we have/got a giant string of good-excellent superhero films under the MCU by Kevin Feige to show the creative and box office potential available from comic book movies.... also that one doesn't have to stick to one particular formula to make it work, as long as you stay true to the spirit of what makes the source material great.

On the other hand, if Justice League had Routh and Bale as Superman and Batman- I would have higher expectations and hope.

As is? Looking forward to it mildly. Hope it's not as painful as the trailer with the 'alleluyah' song.

Justice League was never going to break the future of superhero movies but it was going to break the future of dc movies particularly the shared universe. Which it has. Things are still pretty uncertain.

I think what we’ve learned is you can have a lot of different formulas but for a shared universe Feige’s is probably the best one. WB tried to hotshot a universe with no real plan and a rushed set of movies and most people couldn’t be bothered. On top of that half the movies were awful.

The Snyder cut was never going to be ten episodes. More like 4. That is the smarter play of they’re after more long term subscribers instead of one big four hour movie. Snyder shot enough for either one but for a four part episodic format he’d probably need to shoot some bridging material and caps for episodes.

It'll be an interesting distraction. If the movie has enough parts good enough for a rewatch, it'll have gone past the bar I lowered for it...

[Metallo]

That bar must be in the sewer at this point.

[crazy_asian_man]

Feb 13, 2021 17:40:53 GMT -5 Metallo said:

That bar must be in the sewer at this point.

Well.... I thought having Joss Whedon complete JL was going to be 'the best of both worlds'- but if judging it on it's own merits, I thought it was ok-to-good.
(Though if I saw & it was made prior to Avengers, I probably would have been more excited and considered it a breakthrough of sorts, rather than a step somewhat backwards for comic book adaptations)

But knowing the backstory- that Whedon had to work in mostly existing footage and had a running time limit, it's really hard to figure out how much Whedon improved what was there.

With the "Snyder cut", I'm expecting something on the level of "Man of Steel" or "Batman vs. Superman".... which aren't all that high on my list to begin with.

The best thing I think I could expect or hope for are some great action scenes with the eye candy.

Anything beyond that I think will be gravy.

[Metallo]

[atp]

Looks crap.
Even worse and more of a CGI-filled mess that the theatrical version.
All these movies blend into each other now. I can't even remember the difference between Wonder Woman and Justice League.

[crazy_asian_man]

Feb 14, 2021 16:12:08 GMT -5 atp said:

Looks crap.
Even worse and more of a CGI-filled mess that the theatrical version.
All these movies blend into each other now. I can't even remember the difference between Wonder Woman and Justice League.

Before, Snyder's main strength to me were his visuals, but with the Rousso brothers delivering great visuals AND supporting great stories for Marvel...
a pretty looking trailer (plus knowing the basic story already from JL)--- doesn't fill me with great enthusiasm. I think the visual transformation of Kirby's New Gods into what look like big bugs definitely doesn't help. I have this bad feeling that we'll find out how much better the Joss Whedon redo was... hopefully I'm wrong, but...

[Metallo]

Feb 14, 2021 16:12:08 GMT -5 atp said:

Looks crap.
Even worse and more of a CGI-filled mess that the theatrical version.
All these movies blend into each other now. I can't even remember the difference between Wonder Woman and Justice League.

Zack Snyder’s Suppository. It may have taken four years for it do it’s thing but he’s finally ready to make a mad dash to the porcelain throne and release his masterpiece (of sh!t) to world.

[Metallo]

Feb 15, 2021 2:28:26 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Before, Snyder's main strength to me were his visuals, but with the Rousso brothers delivering great visuals AND supporting great stories for Marvel...
a pretty looking trailer (plus knowing the basic story already from JL)--- doesn't fill me with great enthusiasm. I think the visual transformation of Kirby's New Gods into what look like big bugs definitely doesn't help. I have this bad feeling that we'll find out how much better the Joss Whedon redo was... hopefully I'm wrong, but...

He somehow made Steppenwolf look even worse but even less like the comics. Darkseid’s proportions still look off. I think there’s a reason we mostly see mid range shots of him from the waist up in the trailers.

When it comes to giant cgi monsters I think we can safely say the DCEU has been a total failure. They all stink like a turd in the summer sun.

[crazy_asian_man]

Feb 15, 2021 13:22:05 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Feb 15, 2021 2:28:26 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Before, Snyder's main strength to me were his visuals, but with the Rousso brothers delivering great visuals AND supporting great stories for Marvel...
a pretty looking trailer (plus knowing the basic story already from JL)--- doesn't fill me with great enthusiasm. I think the visual transformation of Kirby's New Gods into what look like big bugs definitely doesn't help. I have this bad feeling that we'll find out how much better the Joss Whedon redo was... hopefully I'm wrong, but...

He somehow made Steppenwolf look even worse but even less like the comics. Darkseid’s proportions still look off. I think there’s a reason we mostly see mid range shots of him from the waist up in the trailers.

When it comes to giant cgi monsters I think we can safely say the DCEU has been a total failure. They all stink like a turd in the summer sun.

What's weird is: why would Snyder be visually so faithful to Dave GIbbons' Watchmen look and costumes .... but not Siegel/Shuster and Jack Kirby?

So so so strange....

[Metallo]

Well for one thing Snyder was only faithful to a point with Watchmen. The basic outline and themes of the costumes are there but they’ve still been radically altered. Ozymandias looks almost nothing like his comic book counterpart.

The Kirby Fourth World designs are for the most part older and less modern than the Watchmen designs. They also come from less grounded stories. There were clearly looks and styles Snyder found too silly to translate to film.

The more grounded the designs the less Snyder touched them. Ozy ran around in a yellow and purple tunic outfit and that was changed to black rubber for the film. Rorschach meanwhile is almost untouched. The colors are muted but otherwise he looks very similar. It’s because the costume was already more real world.

[atp]

I'm so sick of CGI monsters and over the top action.

For all its faults, Superman 3 still feels restrained and grounded compared to the crap DC movies.

[Metallo]

Feb 16, 2021 12:24:55 GMT -5 atp said:

I'm so sick of CGI monsters and over the top action.

For all its faults, Superman 3 still feels restrained and grounded compared to the crap DC movies.

Me too. It’s become a really stale formula for their movies. Snyder’s Doomsday was just Nuclear Man on cgi steroids.

[crazy_asian_man]

Feb 16, 2021 12:24:55 GMT -5 atp said:

I'm so sick of CGI monsters and over the top action.

For all its faults, Superman 3 still feels restrained and grounded compared to the crap DC movies.

At this point, I much prefer bad fx with human beings versus slick CGI that look CGI....

[atp]

I'd only accept CGI if it were used to create a villains rule the world scene

[dejan]

Feb 16, 2021 17:31:20 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Feb 16, 2021 12:24:55 GMT -5 atp said:

I'm so sick of CGI monsters and over the top action.

For all its faults, Superman 3 still feels restrained and grounded compared to the crap DC movies.

Me too. It’s become a really stale formula for their movies. Snyder’s Doomsday was just Nuclear Man on cgi steroids.

Or Snyder's Doomsday was the Cave Troll from The Fellowship Of The Ring......but still on steroids!