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Post by Metallo on Mar 14, 2021 16:24:15 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 14, 2021 19:47:46 GMT -5
I wasn’t a fan of MOS and thought BvS was mildly entertaining, so I don’t think more Zack Snyder will make me like JL any more than the previous 2 films, but hey. More power to the fans who enjoyed Snyder’s DCU work. For me Personally, I can’t imagine it would be much better than the first two films. I still haven’t seen the theatrical. It has been YEARS since I saw MOS so I want to give it another chance I just hope he doesn't get the clout to be the leader of a DC project again, he might be a good person, but his aesthetics and priorities creatively drive me up the wall... |
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Post by atp on Mar 15, 2021 17:43:36 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 15, 2021 21:26:54 GMT -5
Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst...  |
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Post by dejan on Mar 16, 2021 2:31:14 GMT -5
Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst... As T'Challa says in Civil War: "Death is not the end-it is more of a stepping off point" Lets hope that the tragic death of Snyder's daughter is a stepping off point for him to become a better director. And it seems we are not off to a good start. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 16, 2021 10:19:30 GMT -5
Of course it is. It’s a four hour slog where Snyder gets to indulge in his worst creative instincts and roll around in pure excess. The guy has always needed a filter or some limitations and with this he has absolutely none. It’s sitting pretty good on rotten tomatoes right now but I expect that to change. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 16, 2021 12:05:54 GMT -5
Of course it is. It’s a four hour slog where Snyder gets to indulge in his worst creative instincts and roll around in pure excess. The guy has always needed a filter or some limitations and with this he has absolutely none. It’s sitting pretty good on rotten tomatoes right now but I expect that to change. I'm thinking of viewing Phantom Menace and Catwoman before I watch Justice League, just to help me get into the right mindset.... bad doesn't seem so bad if you have something even worse to surround it. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 19, 2021 14:35:37 GMT -5
Watchmen might be a better comparison. Another movie that had multiple edits. I’d love to see some fan editor take everything from Snyder and Whedons cuts of JL and try to craft a better film in editing. It’ll never be great but I think something better is in there. It’s like Superman II all over again except both versions of II are probably better than both versions of Justice League.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 19, 2021 14:56:21 GMT -5
Watchmen might be a better comparison. Another movie that had multiple edits. I’d love to see some fan editor take everything from Snyder and Whedons cuts of JL and try to craft a better film in editing. It’ll never be great but I think something better is in there. It’s like Superman II all over again except both versions of II are probably better than both versions of Justice League. I think that's the maddening thing... the fact the Watchmen movie had multiple edits, resisted all the real product placement, etc.--- shows he REALLY did care about making what he felt was the best film.... but... how he views things as working I don't agree with. I thought there were good parts of MOS, BvS, and definitely Justice League theatrical. Justice League I didn't think bad, but incredibly so-so given the amount of time and money given to it. MOS had too many bad parts in concept and execution (using heat vision on Lois Lane early on to cauterize a wound? Is this a horror movie?) for me to wholeheartedly accept. A fan cut might solve a number of the issues, though... but it'd be chopping out a lot... BvS I actually thought better (at least Batman was always a dark character and more consistent in tone when it used his pov) but the Superman/Clark Kent stuff generally was a mess. In any case, the Zack Snyder cut I'm glad if it's not a giant disaster. I was always going to check it out, so hopefully it's better than I feared. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 20, 2021 14:37:35 GMT -5
Justice League theatrical cut is sort of like Aquaman imo. It’s ok as a big cartoon popcorn movie but pretty cheesy. Some of the big issues are the cgi and the Whedon and Snyder material not meshing but it’s no worse than Aquaman and probably better than stuff like Green Lantern.
Watchmen needs a great director and writer..:.which Snyder is not. Giving him Watchmen was like letting Michael Bay make a film based on Hamlet. Terry Gilliams Watchmen film would have been far less faithful but far more interesting.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 20, 2021 15:24:08 GMT -5
Justice League theatrical cut is sort of like Aquaman imo. It’s ok as a big cartoon popcorn movie but pretty cheesy. Some of the big issues are the cgi and the Whedon and Snyder material not meshing but it’s no worse than Aquaman and probably better than stuff like Green Lantern. Watchmen needs a great director and writer..:.which Snyder is not. Giving him Watchmen was like letting Michael Bay make a film based on Hamlet. Terry Gilliams Watchmen film would have been far less faithful but far more interesting. Justice League was handicapped from the beginning for Joss Whedon- he had the limited running time plus having to use 'x' amount of Snyder material and I believe a rushed release date.... so I give him a lot of lattitude with that. As is, I think it's 'good enough'.... better than Aquaman and Green Lantern for sure, imo. Watchmen at that time I don't think ever was going to be made. Gilliam's Watchmen I would have loved to have seen- oddly, I think the tv series gave a tone similar to what we might have gotten from Gilliam. Scary, creepy, and disturbing (but in a good enough way).... but I believe he felt he needed a ton of money that he wasn't going to be able to get. Snyder's box office clout at the time and him demanding to be visually exact (he's pretty darn close!) to the comic visuals showed he was passionate about the comic and was willing to use his Hwood currency to get that made on a big budget (plus multiple cuts!)- over something else.... but, it's a pity that he really didn't seem to get a lot of the story. I do have to admit that the opening montage and the Dr. Manhattan section was great. Good casting with Rorshach, too. But.... yeah, I agree that Gilliam's might have been a lot less faithful, but more interesting in the way his other films have been. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 20, 2021 17:34:15 GMT -5
I agree. Even if Whedon had been allowed to step in before filming it would have been tough. Doing a 180 after BVS underperformed would have been hard for anyone to pull off. Really someone like Whedon needed to be there from the beginning. From before MOS.
I was just thinking of how Snyder was a studio darling at WB after 300. He can’t really say the studio did him wrong early on. For the most part he got to make the films he wanted to make with Watchmen and MOS but neither fully delivered on their potential.
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Post by Metallo on Apr 21, 2021 11:55:20 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 25, 2021 22:48:46 GMT -5
Hilarious... now it's stuck in my head... |
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Post by dejan on Apr 27, 2021 12:12:11 GMT -5
Hilarious... now it's stuck in my head... Better than what was in the actual film |
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Post by Metallo on Apr 27, 2021 19:18:27 GMT -5
Gal Gadot...is not a very good actress.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 29, 2021 19:55:09 GMT -5
Gal Gadot...is not a very good actress. I don't know if the combination of everything put into the films, but she works great as Wonder Woman. I buy her as someone able to kick arse and not just posing as such. |
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