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Post by Metallo on Jul 30, 2021 10:27:36 GMT -5
I’m liking Torres’s art. You can tell he has a passion for the source material. He captures the likenesses pretty well in his style but he’s really good at different expressions and body language which makes the characters come alive on the page. I might warm up to him, if the whole package works and gives a real vibe of what the movies 'really might have felt like'- I'd feel better if it was based on any plans or ideas by Mank or Donner specifically, but still looking forward to this in any case.... It’s pretty obvious why these people got the gigs. They seem to love and know the movies pretty well so they have a passion for it. You can “hear” the character voices coming through pretty well in the dialogue and art. Perry feels like Jackie Coopers Perry for example. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 2, 2021 23:29:24 GMT -5
I might warm up to him, if the whole package works and gives a real vibe of what the movies 'really might have felt like'- I'd feel better if it was based on any plans or ideas by Mank or Donner specifically, but still looking forward to this in any case.... It’s pretty obvious why these people got the gigs. They seem to love and know the movies pretty well so they have a passion for it. You can “hear” the character voices coming through pretty well in the dialogue and art. Perry feels like Jackie Coopers Perry for example. The art feels too much like parody to me- but, I might warm up to it when the actual series comes out... |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 9, 2021 18:23:59 GMT -5
I don’t really see the parody aspect. Stylized yes (they clearly aren’t going for photo realism) but it’s not exaggerated and cartoony like a cartoonist would do either. When I think parody I think Mad Magazines Superman send ups.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 10, 2021 1:39:21 GMT -5
I would prefer it if Mort Drucker drew the series. The simplistic outlines of the characters for Superman '78 is annoying to me.... but for such a long wait to see something like this, I wanted someone on the level of a George Perez or Neal Adams. Still, they've already got my money regardless...
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Post by booshman on Aug 13, 2021 2:27:50 GMT -5
 Likeness could use a redo on this one. Doesn’t look much like Reeve to me.   Pretty telling that the none traced parts of the image are the weakest element. Also, is that David Bowie as Bizarro? |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 14, 2021 19:30:28 GMT -5
Wow! Great catch--- yeesh, I had no idea HOW much it's exact tracing!
Still---
As long as the final effect works... for me, the simplified outlines bug me on the interior art.
Gary Frank should TOTALLY have been the artist on this, imo...
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Post by Kamdan on Aug 27, 2021 6:35:37 GMT -5
Wow! Great catch--- yeesh, I had no idea HOW much it's exact tracing! Still--- As long as the final effect works... for me, the simplified outlines bug me on the interior art. Gary Frank should TOTALLY have been the artist on this, imo... It was painfully obvious from the initial announcement what screencaps and publicity stills were used for the artwork. The issue itself that was just released digitally wasn’t any better. At least Batman ‘89 has an artist that can work with different forms that doesn’t resort to tracing. Gary Frank is too much of a high profile artist to do a project like this one which is low priority for DC. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 27, 2021 11:16:47 GMT -5
I don't if this is a good price for the variant set (not cheap in any case!)- But here is a link to buy the Variants for Superman/Batman movie covers: bigtimecollectibles.com/ |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 29, 2021 14:43:25 GMT -5
Likeness could use a redo on this one. Doesn’t look much like Reeve to me. Pretty telling that the none traced parts of the image are the weakest element. Also, is that David Bowie as Bizarro? He has said Bowie was an inspiration but for Brainiac. Even with tracing or using photo reference there’s no excuse for the likeness to look that off. I get it for Luthor but they clearly have the rights to Reeve’s image. Even the interior art looks more like him. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 29, 2021 14:47:10 GMT -5
Wow! Great catch--- yeesh, I had no idea HOW much it's exact tracing! Still--- As long as the final effect works... for me, the simplified outlines bug me on the interior art. Gary Frank should TOTALLY have been the artist on this, imo... It was painfully obvious from the initial announcement what screencaps and publicity stills were used for the artwork. The issue itself that was just released digitally wasn’t any better. At least Batman ‘89 has an artist that can work with different forms that doesn’t resort to tracing. Gary Frank is too much of a high profile artist to do a project like this one which is low priority for DC. Not an issue since most artists who use heavy photo reference do the same thing. Even someone as good as Jerry Ordway. Sometimes he didn’t even bother to make it look any different from the photos he’s using. Batman 89 does the same thing but on that book they’re clearly combining elements of TAS and Burton’s film that delivers a different result. They didn’t really need Gary Frank for this. His Superman is closely based on Reeve but even then there are better artists even at DC. His art has been pretty hit and miss itself. Look at DOOMSDAY CLOCK. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 29, 2021 14:48:27 GMT -5
Wow! Great catch--- yeesh, I had no idea HOW much it's exact tracing! Still--- As long as the final effect works... for me, the simplified outlines bug me on the interior art. Gary Frank should TOTALLY have been the artist on this, imo... Really? Seemed pretty obvious from the start what they were doing and using especially with the covers. Frank based his Superman on Reeve’s but it doesn’t mean he was the right guy for this. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 17, 2021 14:18:08 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 19, 2021 23:54:37 GMT -5
The covers seem okay, but I think I'm spoiled by far more passionate fan art of Reeve as Supes over the years, that I thought the 'professional' ones would at least match what's there, but...
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Post by Metallo on Sept 20, 2021 18:02:28 GMT -5
Unfortunately the pros don’t always have the luxury of time that the fans do. The fans also don’t have to meet a deadline and put out 22 pages worth of story or whatever it is when you’re talking about the interior artists. The speed and discipline of the comic book artist is something that isn’t talked about enough. Even Some of the the pro greats we think of could never do a monthly full page book and stick to covers or special pieces.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 8, 2021 12:13:11 GMT -5
alex ross had lead time to do his wonderful painted oversize series justice years ago- would have been awesome if he was assigned to this... so it’s more scheduling on the editors part. i hate hate hate the art on superman 78.... i woukd rather wait longer for a different artist.
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Post by Metallo on Oct 8, 2021 21:17:04 GMT -5
I’m digging it. They’ve really captured the “voices” and personalities of the characters.
Wanting Alex Ross is wishing way beyond what’s possible. Ross has never stuck long with an ongoing monthly title. At most he’d do covers…which he might still do. Bud with his style he wouldn’t have the time needed for this kind of ongoing book.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 10, 2021 15:42:30 GMT -5
I’m digging it. They’ve really captured the “voices” and personalities of the characters. Wanting Alex Ross is wishing way beyond what’s possible. Ross has never stuck long with an ongoing monthly title. At most he’d do covers…which he might still do. Bud with his style he wouldn’t have the time needed for this kind of ongoing book. Ross can do a limited comic series- he's done a few for DC in his time- so it's not THAT hard a wish.  It's not a monthly series, but a limited one. Even if it wasn't, if they knew about negotiations for it awhile ago, there was advance time to plan and could have limited his participation to whatever amount of issues he felt comfotable with. At a panel with Geoff Johns where the awful delay with the last issue of the five issue Donner-inspired "Last Son", where the fifth issues took forever to complete- Geoff was asked about that- and commented without throwing the artist under the bus that scheduling could have been better to plan for the delays and give the artist enough time. There's a great free podcast over at Comix Experience where I had listened to some of the podcasts from editors who had worked for DC- opened my eyes to the way they did (and maybe still do) things there. In any case- I despise the art. But I like the covers, and it's like the ONLY official Reeve Superman book- so I'll bitch and complain... but then still buy it. |
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