AARON PRICE's AMAZING SIV UPGRADE FOOTAGE!!!

[crazy_asian_man]

I don't remember if there's an official thread or not- but just saw this new clip today in fullscreen- I'm really impressed with this and his other clips. I've long wanted to do something like this, but was wayyy too lazy to do so!
I love Aaron's passion on this, I'm wondering how many clips he's planning on doing, but am enjoying this now:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ34DpNDRD0

www.youtube.com/user/APRICEPRODUCTIONS

[crazy_asian_man]

More coolness! Giant hats off to Aaron Price!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyrp42hh41o

[Kamdan]

youtu.be/kUg7aOnSbDA

There’s now a trailer trying to drum up some buzz for this to become an official production. I fear that this is only going to end up like Selutron’s efforts and the fan editor will just abandon it because it’s not being sanctioned by Warners (i.e. getting paid for it).

I appreciate the efforts of fan editors like adywan who know that the studios won’t ever endorse a fan edit effort that improves the film in the eyes of the fans because they’re making enough off of the version that’s already out there. Efforts like these are only accomplished by fans who know what can improve the film. Actual people in charge just care about the bottom line. Thau only got to do the extended version of Superman and The Donner Cut of II because he was his assistant. It’s not about what you know, it’s who you know. Caped Wonder can tell me all they want about how “Warners is aware of the interest,” but that’s just empty statements until something actually happens, like the 3 hour cut of Superman that just appeared out of nowhere and even that still was littered with problems the fans had to correct.

[atp]

It's too early to give up on Selutron. It's only been 15 years. Give it time.

[Kamdan]

If you teach the fans to put its faith in anyone man, even Selutron, you’re teaching them to be betrayed…

[Kamdan]

I JUST SAID I WISH WARNER BROS. WOULD HAVE SAID YES!

[Metallo]

Sept 30, 2021 3:03:04 GMT -5 atp said:

It's too early to give up on Selutron. It's only been 15 years. Give it time.

Lol.

As for these recent efforts I appreciate this guys work and talent and love a lot of his videos but sometimes I think he’s making it too different. Some scenes are looking too much like modern films and work when the goal should be to make IV fit with the better looking films of the series.

Count me as another one that that thinks this isn’t going to go anywhere beyond some cool looking fan videos. WB would never allow an outside entity to spearhead something like this. He might be able to get a job working on a WB in house project to finish and improve Superman IV (like that YouTuber who recently got hired by Lucasfilm and/or ILM thanks to his deepfake work) but even that’s got a slim to none chance of happening.

I’ll still be checking out his work though especially if it’s more original ideas like Superman vs the Death Star.

[dejan]

Can't question this guy's passion and skill in re-configuring and manipulating this footage....definitely seems like a labour of love.
But I fear he is applying his passion to a movie that was sadly devoid of passion!

All I can say that is in my personal opinion, even if a proffesional studio came in and upgraded the effects and re-edited the movie....it still would not be enough to save SIV.

My personal pet peeves are with the footage which featured no effects.

Everything just seemed off, -the acting, the shot compositions, the dialogue and script writing in general.

I just got the blu ray(mastered from a new 4K scan) for Flight Of The Navigator.
Here in the UK, this movie came out in April of 1987(about 8 months after it's US release).
I remember thoroughly enjoying it.
Also debuting in UK cinemas that same month, in 87', was Star Trek IV(again a few months after it's US release).
 I went to watch that 3 times(with mostly adult audiences-I was 13 at the time) and again, was blown away by the quality of the film making.

You can see where I am going with this!
Then came Superman IV in the summer---over here it came out at the same time as The Living Daylights(which marked the transition from Moore to Dalton...a big deal back then).
 
So after Navigator, Star Trek and Daylights I had really high expectations for Supes IV.
Prior to watching it in the theater, I had already read some reviews which were not flattering!- but I still had hopes that those same reviews were BS and that SIV would be on the same level as some of those other movies.
Those reviews for SIV were actually too kind......I absolutely detested it with every fibre in my body!
And to this day I don't think I have ever been so dissapointed in a movie.

I just relooked at the stats for Flight Of The Navigator.
Made for 13 Million , 4 less than SIV.

Yet it blows SIV away quite literally in every department.


And Navigator has the one thing that SIV ultimately lacked.....passion(a quality that no money can buy!)----the budget talk is just a lame excuse IMHO.
Sure, it did not help having a budget cut during production.
They could still have done immeasurably better with what they had, though.

It was also painful to see Kidder  on the Letterman show literally lying through her teeth saying that SIV was a good movie!

goto 28:18 and then to 30:55(Letterman:"So the whole film is a disaster!")--lol!

I know, she had no choice but still....it's not nice to see. 

Of course these are my feeling!

So to see a fan who thinks, that just by altering the effects and pasting in some new backgrounds, that it is going to make a better  movie.......not a hope in heck....at least IMHO!

But respect where it is due....this chap definitely has good skills.....but they are wasted on SIV. 

 
 

[crazy_asian_man]

Sept 30, 2021 20:45:23 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Sept 30, 2021 3:03:04 GMT -5 atp said:

It's too early to give up on Selutron. It's only been 15 years. Give it time.

Lol.

As for these recent efforts I appreciate this guys work and talent and love a lot of his videos but sometimes I think he’s making it too different. Some scenes are looking too much like modern films and work when the goal should be to make IV fit with the better looking films of the series.

Count me as another one that that thinks this isn’t going to go anywhere beyond some cool looking fan videos. WB would never allow an outside entity to spearhead something like this. He might be able to get a job working on a WB in house project to finish and improve Superman IV (like that YouTuber who recently got hired by Lucasfilm and/or ILM thanks to his deepfake work) but even that’s got a slim to none chance of happening.

I’ll still be checking out his work though especially if it’s more original ideas like Superman vs the Death Star.

I'm enjoying it all immensely. Glad he's sharing it... but... yeah, if we can't even get WB Archives to put out an extended tv cut of SII- which should be relatively cheap and easy- even with good sales of the first extended tv cut- then I have nothing but doubts on anything else getting released. The anniversary for SII was sadly a big nothing it seems (unless I missed something).

[crazy_asian_man]

Oct 1, 2021 12:09:40 GMT -5 dejan said:

Can't question this guy's passion and skill in re-configuring and manipulating this footage....definitely seems like a labour of love.
But I fear he is applying his passion to a movie that was sadly devoid of passion!

All I can say that is in my personal opinion, even if a proffesional studio came in and upgraded the effects and re-edited the movie....it still would not be enough to save SIV.

My personal pet peeves are with the footage which featured no effects.

Everything just seemed off, -the acting, the shot compositions, the dialogue and script writing in general.

I just got the blu ray(mastered from a new 4K scan) for Flight Of The Navigator.
Here in the UK, this movie came out in April of 1987(about 8 months after it's US release).
I remember thoroughly enjoying it.
Also debuting in UK cinemas that same month, in 87', was Star Trek IV(again a few months after it's US release).
 I went to watch that 3 times(with mostly adult audiences-I was 13 at the time) and again, was blown away by the quality of the film making.

You can see where I am going with this!
Then came Superman IV in the summer---over here it came out at the same time as The Living Daylights(which marked the transition from Moore to Dalton...a big deal back then).
 
So after Navigator, Star Trek and Daylights I had really high expectations for Supes IV.
Prior to watching it in the theater, I had already read some reviews which were not flattering!- but I still had hopes that those same reviews were BS and that SIV would be on the same level as some of those other movies.
Those reviews for SIV were actually too kind......I absolutely detested it with every fibre in my body!
And to this day I don't think I have ever been so dissapointed in a movie.

I just relooked at the stats for Flight Of The Navigator.
Made for 13 Million , 4 less than SIV.

Yet it blows SIV away quite literally in every department.


And Navigator has the one thing that SIV ultimately lacked.....passion(a quality that no money can buy!)----the budget talk is just a lame excuse IMHO.
Sure, it did not help having a budget cut during production.
They could still have done immeasurably better with what they had, though.

It was also painful to see Kidder  on the Letterman show literally lying through her teeth saying that SIV was a good movie!

goto 28:18 and then to 30:55(Letterman:"So the whole film is a disaster!")--lol!

I know, she had no choice but still....it's not nice to see. 

Of course these are my feeling!

So to see a fan who thinks, that just by altering the effects and pasting in some new backgrounds, that it is going to make a better  movie.......not a hope in heck....at least IMHO!

But respect where it is due....this chap definitely has good skills.....but they are wasted on SIV. 

 
 

I hear you on the non-fx parts often being 'off' and underwhelming.... but I still thought there were good spots. Reeve committed fully (though he also had no other choice, I can imagine his stress)- I still love his performance with the UN speech and the actors' reaction to it.

The production being scaled down I think had to have a domino effect on set- no time for paid rehearsals to tweak performances- psychologically it had to add extra stress to Reeve, who was hoping this was part of his career comeback if I recall right- it probably was an EXTREMELY stressful set. Under great stress, people don't behave at their best- I wouldn't be suprised if Sydney Fury got the tail end of frustrations- and may or may not be why he doesn't want to talk about it, even years later.

But- I'm really enjoying the scenes. I know how difficult and time-sucking the fx work can be. Hopefully he continues with it and shares as it goes-

[Metallo]

Oct 1, 2021 12:09:40 GMT -5 dejan said:

Can't question this guy's passion and skill in re-configuring and manipulating this footage....definitely seems like a labour of love.
But I fear he is applying his passion to a movie that was sadly devoid of passion!

All I can say that is in my personal opinion, even if a proffesional studio came in and upgraded the effects and re-edited the movie....it still would not be enough to save SIV.

My personal pet peeves are with the footage which featured no effects.

Everything just seemed off, -the acting, the shot compositions, the dialogue and script writing in general.

I just got the blu ray(mastered from a new 4K scan) for Flight Of The Navigator.
Here in the UK, this movie came out in April of 1987(about 8 months after it's US release).
I remember thoroughly enjoying it.
Also debuting in UK cinemas that same month, in 87', was Star Trek IV(again a few months after it's US release).
 I went to watch that 3 times(with mostly adult audiences-I was 13 at the time) and again, was blown away by the quality of the film making.

You can see where I am going with this!
Then came Superman IV in the summer---over here it came out at the same time as The Living Daylights(which marked the transition from Moore to Dalton...a big deal back then).
 
So after Navigator, Star Trek and Daylights I had really high expectations for Supes IV.
Prior to watching it in the theater, I had already read some reviews which were not flattering!- but I still had hopes that those same reviews were BS and that SIV would be on the same level as some of those other movies.
Those reviews for SIV were actually too kind......I absolutely detested it with every fibre in my body!
And to this day I don't think I have ever been so dissapointed in a movie.

I just relooked at the stats for Flight Of The Navigator.
Made for 13 Million , 4 less than SIV.

Yet it blows SIV away quite literally in every department.


And Navigator has the one thing that SIV ultimately lacked.....passion(a quality that no money can buy!)----the budget talk is just a lame excuse IMHO.
Sure, it did not help having a budget cut during production.
They could still have done immeasurably better with what they had, though.

It was also painful to see Kidder  on the Letterman show literally lying through her teeth saying that SIV was a good movie!

goto 28:18 and then to 30:55(Letterman:"So the whole film is a disaster!")--lol!

I know, she had no choice but still....it's not nice to see. 

Of course these are my feeling!

So to see a fan who thinks, that just by altering the effects and pasting in some new backgrounds, that it is going to make a better  movie.......not a hope in heck....at least IMHO!

But respect where it is due....this chap definitely has good skills.....but they are wasted on SIV. 

 
 

I don’t disagree with you…but I’d take a revamped Superman IV over any of Zack Snyder’s bull$hit.

[atp]

Oct 13, 2021 15:49:40 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Oct 1, 2021 12:09:40 GMT -5 dejan said:

Can't question this guy's passion and skill in re-configuring and manipulating this footage....definitely seems like a labour of love.
But I fear he is applying his passion to a movie that was sadly devoid of passion!

All I can say that is in my personal opinion, even if a proffesional studio came in and upgraded the effects and re-edited the movie....it still would not be enough to save SIV.

My personal pet peeves are with the footage which featured no effects.

Everything just seemed off, -the acting, the shot compositions, the dialogue and script writing in general.

I just got the blu ray(mastered from a new 4K scan) for Flight Of The Navigator.
Here in the UK, this movie came out in April of 1987(about 8 months after it's US release).
I remember thoroughly enjoying it.
Also debuting in UK cinemas that same month, in 87', was Star Trek IV(again a few months after it's US release).
 I went to watch that 3 times(with mostly adult audiences-I was 13 at the time) and again, was blown away by the quality of the film making.

You can see where I am going with this!
Then came Superman IV in the summer---over here it came out at the same time as The Living Daylights(which marked the transition from Moore to Dalton...a big deal back then).
 
So after Navigator, Star Trek and Daylights I had really high expectations for Supes IV.
Prior to watching it in the theater, I had already read some reviews which were not flattering!- but I still had hopes that those same reviews were BS and that SIV would be on the same level as some of those other movies.
Those reviews for SIV were actually too kind......I absolutely detested it with every fibre in my body!
And to this day I don't think I have ever been so dissapointed in a movie.

I just relooked at the stats for Flight Of The Navigator.
Made for 13 Million , 4 less than SIV.

Yet it blows SIV away quite literally in every department.


And Navigator has the one thing that SIV ultimately lacked.....passion(a quality that no money can buy!)----the budget talk is just a lame excuse IMHO.
Sure, it did not help having a budget cut during production.
They could still have done immeasurably better with what they had, though.

It was also painful to see Kidder  on the Letterman show literally lying through her teeth saying that SIV was a good movie!

goto 28:18 and then to 30:55(Letterman:"So the whole film is a disaster!")--lol!

I know, she had no choice but still....it's not nice to see. 

Of course these are my feeling!

So to see a fan who thinks, that just by altering the effects and pasting in some new backgrounds, that it is going to make a better  movie.......not a hope in heck....at least IMHO!

But respect where it is due....this chap definitely has good skills.....but they are wasted on SIV. 

 
 

I don’t disagree with you…but I’d take a revamped Superman IV over any of Zack Snyder’s bull$hit.

Me too.

I'd even take the original Superman IV.

[dejan]

atp(and Metallo)

Lol!!!!!

I have to say that f***wits like Snyder, Bay, Abrams and the rest would not have been able to make the turgid garbage that they have, without the use of CG.

Strip out the CG composites from MOS and all you are left with , is a bunch of green screen shots.



Makes SIV look like a classic, by comparison!



 
 

[Metallo]

Oct 14, 2021 1:49:20 GMT -5 atp said:

Oct 13, 2021 15:49:40 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I don’t disagree with you…but I’d take a revamped Superman IV over any of Zack Snyder’s bull$hit.

Me too.

I'd even take the original Superman IV.

I don’t disagree with that either.

[Metallo]

Oct 15, 2021 11:32:45 GMT -5 dejan said:

atp(and Metallo)

Lol!!!!!

I have to say that f***wits like Snyder, Bay, Abrams and the rest would not have been able to make the turgid garbage that they have, without the use of CG.

Strip out the CG composites from MOS and all you are left with , is a bunch of green screen shots.



Makes SIV look like a classic, by comparison!



 
 

Agreed. I’ve always said if you strip away all Snyder’s tricks and crutches he’d be even more exposed as the limited filmmaker he is. I think he could still turn in something visually impressive but without all the distractions the short comings of his movies would be even more obvious.

As empty as most of Bays movies are I think even he is better than Snyder. Bay can make something with better story and characters and without CGI. The movies are formulaic but still entertaining. They’re both cut from the same cloth though. Or two sides of the same coin. Whatever. They’re style over substance from the slick music video school of filmmaking. Nothing wrong with that since lots of great filmmakers got their start in music videos but Bay and Snyder never evolved beyond that. They never really figured out all the other stuff that makes strong films.