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Post by atp on Feb 24, 2022 9:39:42 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Feb 24, 2022 12:49:05 GMT -5
Heh. I saw his original IG post and and I’ve had a good laugh at all this. I’m sure he’s “campaigning” in good fun but at the same time he’d gladly welcome any higher profile work this gets him. He does look the part well enough. I thought the woman who was the Wonder Woman stand in actually looked better than Gal Gadot.
What I find most interesting about all this is its now the second time they didn’t use Cavill for an on screen Superman appearance. He wasn’t in Shazam either. Was there actually a scheduling conflict or did they not even bother to ask him? Momoa and Miller were used. They do seem to be the most game to make these kinds of cameos without asking for much. This is the second time Miller has done it.
If Cavill loved playing the character as much as he said and really was desperate to do it again you’d think he’d take any chance to earn some good will with the WB executives. Do em a solid. Is he only willing to appear if it’s a larger role or does WB not even want to deal with him? If he’s still playing hard ball to get his demands met I don’t think that’s going to happen because WB has shown yet again they don’t need Cavill.
Batman and Cyborg were cut out of the Peacemaker finale which tells me those characters and their places in the DCEU are about to be radically altered. They did leave Superman in. Maybe that means WB is willing to keep the same version of Superman around but are going to go with a new actor in the future.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 24, 2022 14:09:59 GMT -5
Hard to tell from a snapshot- I thought the publicity photo of ROuth in Superman Returns made him all wrong for Supes- but then in seeing the movie, he was perfect in it imo...
So- who knows, the whole thing is really really bizzare with Cavill right now. Suprised that they don't ring up ROuth for these appearances instead, as he's more willing, it seems.
But- curious... any images of that Wonder Woman stand-in that you think is better than Gal Godat?
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Post by Metallo on Feb 24, 2022 14:35:12 GMT -5
Hard to tell from a snapshot- I thought the publicity photo of ROuth in Superman Returns made him all wrong for Supes- but then in seeing the movie, he was perfect in it imo... So- who knows, the whole thing is really really bizzare with Cavill right now. Suprised that they don't ring up ROuth for these appearances instead, as he's more willing, it seems. But- curious... any images of that Wonder Woman stand-in that you think is better than Gal Godat? They aren’t using Routh now because we’re still stuck with the DCEU Superman. If the Flashpoint movie does change everything that gives them a good excuse to use not just a different actor but a different version of Superman.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 25, 2022 12:21:17 GMT -5
Thanks for uploading the picture- The stand-in looks great, but I don't know if she feels more like WW- to me, anyhow. I know it's totally subjective.
I kind of wish Flashpoint were available to see NOW. Could use a good distraction with the world situation...
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Post by Metallo on Feb 25, 2022 14:25:08 GMT -5
Thanks for uploading the picture- The stand-in looks great, but I don't know if she feels more like WW- to me, anyhow. I know it's totally subjective. I kind of wish Flashpoint were available to see NOW. Could use a good distraction with the world situation... The thing is I don’t think Gadot is that great of a Wonder Woman either. It’s not a high bar to better her IMO. I’ve always felt she was overrated. They masked her flaws and shortcomings with a lot of great stuff. I also felt the first WW movie got a lot of praise despite some of its flaws because it was the first of its kind and the best of a very poor DCEU up to that point. I think a lot of people overlooked some of the stuff that didn’t work because they were happy to see it and see something not making the same mistakes as Snyder or Ayer.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 25, 2022 18:50:09 GMT -5
Thanks for uploading the picture- The stand-in looks great, but I don't know if she feels more like WW- to me, anyhow. I know it's totally subjective. I kind of wish Flashpoint were available to see NOW. Could use a good distraction with the world situation... The thing is I don’t think Gadot is that great of a Wonder Woman either. It’s not a high bar to better her IMO. I’ve always felt she was overrated. They masked her flaws and shortcomings with a lot of great stuff. I also felt the first WW movie got a lot of praise despite some of its flaws because it was the first of its kind and the best of a very poor DCEU up to that point. I think a lot of people overlooked some of the stuff that didn’t work because they were happy to see it and see something not making the same mistakes as Snyder or Ayer. Jenkins (and maybe the original director) blended in elements to bend towards making Gal Gadot work, which was fine. I didn't care as long as the end result was good. But... the first half was great. The second half was really flat. The sequel was horrible from start to finish despite a few cool things, despite good intents.
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Post by Metallo on Feb 25, 2022 19:02:32 GMT -5
The thing is I don’t think Gadot is that great of a Wonder Woman either. It’s not a high bar to better her IMO. I’ve always felt she was overrated. They masked her flaws and shortcomings with a lot of great stuff. I also felt the first WW movie got a lot of praise despite some of its flaws because it was the first of its kind and the best of a very poor DCEU up to that point. I think a lot of people overlooked some of the stuff that didn’t work because they were happy to see it and see something not making the same mistakes as Snyder or Ayer. Jenkins (and maybe the original director) blended in elements to bend towards making Gal Gadot work, which was fine. I didn't care as long as the end result was good. But... the first half was great. The second half was really flat. The sequel was horrible from start to finish despite a few cool things, despite good intents. I don’t think they used anything their previous choice of director wanted. That’s why she left. I think everybody involved in the first film had their weaknesses but for the most part things worked out. The most flawed part is the final third which was clearly studio mandated. Jenkins seemed to have the best instincts on Wonder Woman out of all the people involved in the two films but maybe she got too much control for the sequel along with other people contributing some poor ideas. Gadot being one. Johns being the other. Bringing Steve Trevor back also presented all sorts of problems but they felt they needed him and in many ways they did. Pine did a lot to carry the first film. The first film had a strong template to follow with the origin story but I don’t think they had a clue of where to take a sequel beyond “set it in the 80s.” The entire thing just lacks focus.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 27, 2022 13:21:49 GMT -5
Jenkins (and maybe the original director) blended in elements to bend towards making Gal Gadot work, which was fine. I didn't care as long as the end result was good. But... the first half was great. The second half was really flat. The sequel was horrible from start to finish despite a few cool things, despite good intents. I don’t think they used anything their previous choice of director wanted. That’s why she left. I think everybody involved in the first film had their weaknesses but for the most part things worked out. The most flawed part is the final third which was clearly studio mandated. Jenkins seemed to have the best instincts on Wonder Woman out of all the people involved in the two films but maybe she got too much control for the sequel along with other people contributing some poor ideas. Gadot being one. Johns being the other. Bringing Steve Trevor back also presented all sorts of problems but they felt they needed him and in many ways they did. Pine did a lot to carry the first film. The first film had a strong template to follow with the origin story but I don’t think they had a clue of where to take a sequel behind set in in the 80s. The entire thing just lacks focus. One of the giant flaws with the first one was how the villain(s) were handled, I don't know if that's just the studio... and with Jenkins having what looked like a LOT of control over the sequel, (plus extra time to refine)--- I was fine with Trevor coming back, but the execution in the script was horrible, and the tone (which I think Jenkins is responsible for) was off and made it hard to really engage. The intents sounded fine for the 80s and there's some neat ideas- but it felt like Jenkins didn't want anyone to be truly 'evil' -which is a nice intent- but, it made for a muddled conflict when dealing with trying to have fairy tale elements but at the same time trying to be serious enough to care about the stakes. I thought you could have kept a lot of the plot, but would have been nice to have had one of Wonder Woman's amazonian sisters to call her on the fact she was using this human guy's body to have Trevor back--- it would have given more edge back to what she was giving into for her own happiness (plus clarified that she was at least on some level aware of the immorality of it but still wanted Trevor back anyways)- But, also some of the scenes felt like it was played way too comically- for some reason I feel like this was akin to Burton's Batman Returns- but in Batman Returns I think that worked more effectively overall.
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