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[atp]

Jul 22, 2022 9:42:13 GMT -5 Metallo said:

To boil it down Rands ideas deal with being selfish and thinking of yourself first. To her your happiness and goals are most important no matter what. If you do good how does it benefit you not just the other person. You see it in Snyder’s movies and his heroes. It’s the opposite of what Superman is. Superman is an altruistic hero who serves because it’s the right thing to do. He puts others needs first and doesn’t expect anything for it. Donner understood that. Snyder’s Superman sometimes has the veneer of that but it’s all lip service. When it comes to his actions and even his words he doesn’t promote those ideals.

Look at how the Kent’s raise Clark in Man of Steel and BVS. It’s objectivist philosophy.

I also hated the way Superman rejected Krypton in MoS. It's like he hated himself, and where he came from

[Metallo]

Yeah. It’s similar to how John Byrne had Superman reject Krypton in the Man of Steel miniseries but so much worse. So much colder. If they had to do that ok but the way he did it was a total F U to Krypton. You could say it was a heat of the moment kind of deal but even later on at the end of the movie it would be nice to have Superman reflect on it.

[crazy_asian_man]

Jul 22, 2022 9:42:13 GMT -5 Metallo said:

To boil it down Rands ideas deal with being selfish and thinking of yourself first. To her your happiness and goals are most important no matter what. If you do good how does it benefit you not just the other person. You see it in Snyder’s movies and his heroes. It’s the opposite of what Superman is. Superman is an altruistic hero who serves because it’s the right thing to do. He puts others needs first and doesn’t expect anything for it. Donner understood that. Snyder’s Superman sometimes has the veneer of that but it’s all lip service. When it comes to his actions and even his words he doesn’t promote those ideals.

Look at how the Kent’s raise Clark in Man of Steel and BVS. It’s objectivist philosophy.

Good points. But Goyer certainly deserves the credit/blame for this as well...

[dejan]

Jul 22, 2022 9:42:13 GMT -5 Metallo said:

To boil it down Rands ideas deal with being selfish and thinking of yourself first. To her your happiness and goals are most important no matter what. If you do good how does it benefit you not just the other person. You see it in Snyder’s movies and his heroes. It’s the opposite of what Superman is. Superman is an altruistic hero who serves because it’s the right thing to do. He puts others needs first and doesn’t expect anything for it. Donner understood that. Snyder’s Superman sometimes has the veneer of that but it’s all lip service. When it comes to his actions and even his words he doesn’t promote those ideals.

Look at how the Kent’s raise Clark in Man of Steel and BVS. It’s objectivist philosophy.

Well expressed and defined Metallo.

Even the lip service of saving folks ,was not executed well at all by Snyder.
The kids in the bus ,the trapped oil riggers, the family threatened by Zod and 2 saves of Lois is all we got in MoS.
Compared against the tornado that killed Pa Kent and the collateral destruction in the climax, I would say that Snyder's Kalel failed miserably at the verdict given to him by Crowe's Jorel:
"You can save THEM ALL"

The problem was that we never got the impression that Supe's cared about the deaths that had occured(Pa Kent apart)......if we had had at least that , I personally would have been more forgiving of the brazen destruction.

 And it's yet another example of Snyder and Goyer saying one thing and doing another!

In BvS, what was telling,is that you had the news on the TV in Luthor's kitchen showing some poor girl trapped in the burning building at the Day Of The Dead fest in Mexico.

But Snyder's inability to allow his hero to empaphize with the suffering of others extends beyond Supes. 

Wayne and Diana walk right past that TV blaring out the tragic news.....without a care in the world!
Yeah I know...one was following the other blah blah blah! and granted, it was beyond their powers to do anything to help anyways but even a minor reaction would have shown some humanity.

To be fair, Clark does notice(as he should) but his reaction is one of being seemingly pissed off!(oh for f**k s**ke...yet another one to save!).
Not sure who to blame.....Snyder's direction or Cavill's stoicism.

Compare that to the Reeve films......he never once gave the impression of being angry as he had to go save someone.
In fact Reeve would express an element of shock on his face....the look up at Lois's chopper or the look down as he drops Lois by accident during the romantic flight in STM......or the quick turn of the shoulder in SII when the kid falls off the railing at Niagra.

There are many more examples.....even the abysmal SIV got that part right! 

Snyder just does not get it....too busy playing video games and misunderstanding Greek mythology to notice!