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Post by dejan on Jun 4, 2023 2:22:11 GMT -5
Metallo and CAM Having just rewatched SIV the other day, one thing that struck me which I had not really noticed(or payed much credence to) on my previous viewings over the last 36 years or so, was the fact that both Reeve and Kidder were interacting with each other as if there had been no passage of time from STM to 1987! .... In SIV, we were essentially back to square one. And that was the wrong tonal approach , especially given the fact 10 years had elapsed by that point. It feels like Reeve and Kidder are uncomfortable trying to play their parts from a behavioral perspective(and not a physical one) ,as if they were 10 years younger! That was totally the wrong approach. So going back to CAM's original question at the beginning of this thread(sorry - I seem to have derailed it with my slagging off of SIV!- lol!)......but that's one thing i would definitely change if I was writing the script for SIV......to make it look like there has been a passage of time in how the 2 leads interact with each other. That's exactly how I felt- given Kidder had aged a bit (pretty good considering time, but Reeve only looked like he may have aged 2-3 years from SII imo)- Reeve was fine as Supes was always pretty much always a boy scout in every incarnation- but Kidder as Lois I thought should have played it a little less doe-eyed in the hotel scene. On the flip side= scenes where they had executed it as if Lois was more mature and put in a bit of evolution with the relationship with Clark/Lois- I mostly loved- the flying ballet/reunion in particular - as if both were older- outside of terrible fx, was great and more mature, imo). Also the United Nations scene- the one where she goes to see Clark when he's sick--- has issues from its writing, but the intent is nice. Still- while I (and everyone else) wish SIV was better, I'm still glad what we got was good enough for me to be glad that they at least tried, and I do really like the scenes that did work. Yes.Totally agree. When they land back on Clark's balcony and Supes asks Lois if she remembers everything. That small interchange was the kind of tone Furie should have been aiming for , from the first frame, right through to the last. In those few seconds, he managed to get Reeve and Kidder to exude the emotion that accentuated the passage of time. Personally speaking, what the actors look like is irrelevant, because it's always going to be a case of margins in how their appearances fluctuate throughout the years. The performance is everything. In fact , thinking about it,Reeve's look changed significantly throughout STM itself. Donner's and Baird's trick was to edit the movie skillfully enough, and to get the requisite takes that contained the appropriate quality(and to excise those that didn't), to counteract any fluctuations in appearance. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 4, 2023 11:24:55 GMT -5
That scene I thought was one of the best and not present in the draft I read, so it was a late addition.
Again, given the general chaos I read about the Canon company- I refrain from judging Furie too harshly… it might have been doomed from the start.
On another note, I’m glad the script didn’t try to deal with Superman trying to end world hunger- can’t imagine how to make that one , though I think they did do it in one of the comics.
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Post by crown on Jun 4, 2023 23:13:06 GMT -5
That scene I thought was one of the best and not present in the draft I read, so it was a late addition. Again, given the general chaos I read about the Canon company- I refrain from judging Furie too harshly… it might have been doomed from the start. On another note, I’m glad the script didn’t try to deal with Superman trying to end world hunger- can’t imagine how to make that one , though I think they did do it in one of the comics. If Superman used his super vision to rebuild the Great Wall of China he could have used it to make food appear in starving areas to feed people. Anyway no one answered my question as to why Reeve refused to wear the Superman costume to the premiere? He and Mark pillow could have done a little fight scene before the movie started to pump up the audience. And if he refused to do so why didn’t he phone mark pillow to let him know to not wear his costume and save him the embarrassment? |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 5, 2023 2:07:50 GMT -5
That scene I thought was one of the best and not present in the draft I read, so it was a late addition. Again, given the general chaos I read about the Canon company- I refrain from judging Furie too harshly… it might have been doomed from the start. On another note, I’m glad the script didn’t try to deal with Superman trying to end world hunger- can’t imagine how to make that one , though I think they did do it in one of the comics. If Superman used his super vision to rebuild the Great Wall of China he could have used it to make food appear in starving areas to feed people. Anyway no one answered my question as to why Reeve refused to wear the Superman costume to the premiere? He and Mark pillow could have done a little fight scene before the movie started to pump up the audience. And if he refused to do so why didn’t he phone mark pillow to let him know to not wear his costume and save him the embarrassment? The 'super-vision rebuilding wall' power wasn't in the script.... neither was the bit with the 'super-vision lowering people who were in the sky'. I wonder if that goofiness was in post, or if sloppiness just really became exponential by the end of the shoot. In any case... sigh. |
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Post by dejan on Jun 5, 2023 2:32:33 GMT -5
Was the Nuclear Man taking Lacy into outer space part, also in the script?
If so, whoever wrote that, should have been shot!
If it was not in the script and added in post, whoever did that should also have been shot!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 5, 2023 10:25:56 GMT -5
to my recollection it was not in the script & yes, it was ridiculous!
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Post by crown on Jun 5, 2023 15:03:04 GMT -5
Was the Nuclear Man taking Lacy into outer space part, also in the script? If so, whoever wrote that, should have been shot! If it was not in the script and added in post, whoever did that should also have been shot! What was Nuclear Mans end game? Once he was in space with Lacy, then what? |
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Post by dejan on Jun 5, 2023 16:00:48 GMT -5
Was the Nuclear Man taking Lacy into outer space part, also in the script? If so, whoever wrote that, should have been shot! If it was not in the script and added in post, whoever did that should also have been shot! What was Nuclear Mans end game? Once he was in space with Lacy, then what? That's a question for Konner,Rosenthal and Mr Reeve! Whatever they were smokin' when they wrote that sequence in the script.....it must have been potent! |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 5, 2023 16:42:12 GMT -5
428Q EXT. OBSERVATION DECK.
NUCLEAR MAN soars into the air with LACY.
428R EXT. EDGE OF SPACE
They leave the earth's atmosphere.
428S EXT. SUN AND MOON
The moon slowly covers the sun
AMENDMENT NO. 4 (pink) 11-Sept-86
428T CLOSE SHOT: NUCLEAR MAN
Reacts horror struck at:
428U HIS P.O.V.: AN ECLIPSE
428V EXT.SPACE
In the unnatural darkness, deprived of energy, NUCLEAR MAN goes rigid, helpless and
immobile, still clutching LACY.
428W EXT. SPACE
SUPERMAN flies to the rescue, releases LACY and together they sweep down towards the
earth's surface.
Ok, I was wrong. It was in the script- though the movie seems to have them in deep space.... even at the edge of space, it's a bit goofy. The execution just made it look worse.
But- considering all the other sins in the movie, this probably would have been overlooked if everything else was in working order...
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Post by dejan on Jun 5, 2023 18:49:51 GMT -5
428Q EXT. OBSERVATION DECK.
NUCLEAR MAN soars into the air with LACY.
428R EXT. EDGE OF SPACE
They leave the earth's atmosphere.
428S EXT. SUN AND MOON
The moon slowly covers the sun
AMENDMENT NO. 4 (pink) 11-Sept-86
428T CLOSE SHOT: NUCLEAR MAN
Reacts horror struck at:
428U HIS P.O.V.: AN ECLIPSE
428V EXT.SPACE
In the unnatural darkness, deprived of energy, NUCLEAR MAN goes rigid, helpless and
immobile, still clutching LACY.
428W EXT. SPACE
SUPERMAN flies to the rescue, releases LACY and together they sweep down towards the
earth's surface.Ok, I was wrong. It was in the script- though the movie seems to have them in deep space.... even at the edge of space, it's a bit goofy. The execution just made it look worse. But- considering all the other sins in the movie, this probably would have been overlooked if everything else was in working order... Thanks for that ,CAM. Don't think there is much left to be said. If a proof writer(maybe Reeve himself?) noticed the physical incongruencies of Lacy surviving in space, he/she obviously had no power, or time to excise this abominable idea. However: One thing that SIV has going for it are the quality of the background plates for the flying sequences(i.e when Supes and Lois fly over NYC and San Francisco).It was just that the optical compositing of the actors on said plates was so poor that it let the show down. But: If I had been a technician in post production back in 1987...... I would have dropped the San Francisco plate from the Lois/Supes romantic flight sequence and used it as a background behind Nuclear Man and Lacy....basically signifying that he is trying to kidnap Lacy away from Metropolis......hey it's the best one could do under the circumstances!.....and it would save the repetition of the same plate being used twice..... Anyways we got what we got! Here's to SuperLacy! |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 6, 2023 2:05:46 GMT -5
428Q EXT. OBSERVATION DECK.
NUCLEAR MAN soars into the air with LACY.
428R EXT. EDGE OF SPACE
They leave the earth's atmosphere.
428S EXT. SUN AND MOON
The moon slowly covers the sun
AMENDMENT NO. 4 (pink) 11-Sept-86
428T CLOSE SHOT: NUCLEAR MAN
Reacts horror struck at:
428U HIS P.O.V.: AN ECLIPSE
428V EXT.SPACE
In the unnatural darkness, deprived of energy, NUCLEAR MAN goes rigid, helpless and
immobile, still clutching LACY.
428W EXT. SPACE
SUPERMAN flies to the rescue, releases LACY and together they sweep down towards the
earth's surface.Ok, I was wrong. It was in the script- though the movie seems to have them in deep space.... even at the edge of space, it's a bit goofy. The execution just made it look worse. But- considering all the other sins in the movie, this probably would have been overlooked if everything else was in working order... Thanks for that ,CAM. Don't think there is much left to be said. If a proof writer(maybe Reeve himself?) noticed the physical incongruencies of Lacy surviving in space, he/she obviously had no power, or time to excise this abominable idea. However: One thing that SIV has going for it are the quality of the background plates for the flying sequences(i.e when Supes and Lois fly over NYC and San Francisco).It was just that the optical compositing of the actors on said plates was so poor that it let the show down. But: If I had been a technician in post production back in 1987...... I would have dropped the San Francisco plate from the Lois/Supes romantic flight sequence and used it as a background behind Nuclear Man and Lacy....basically signifying that he is trying to kidnap Lacy away from Metropolis......hey it's the best one could do under the circumstances!.....and it would save the repetition of the same plate being used twice..... Anyways we got what we got! Here's to SuperLacy! It's a great idea.... Though I've been really impressed by all the SIV 'upgrade' work by Aaron Price on his youtube channel. Maybe that'll be one of the fixes he'll do to the film in the future? |
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Post by crown on Jul 20, 2023 1:30:15 GMT -5
Things didn’t work out for Mark Pillow he was banned from going to England again for disrespecting the Queen with his outlandish attire. He tried visiting the Reeve estate and demanded Chris fork over some of the $6 million he made but Reeve just laughed at him and siced his dogs on him. Somehow I don't remember reading that part in the Reeve memoirs...  (( * Though if he had appeared in full Nuclear Man suit on the Reeve mansion demanding justice, I would have paid good money to have seen that. Sort of like live Superman theatre.)) Do you think that if Reeve and Pillow had fought each other in real life Reeve would have won? |
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