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Post by MerM on Nov 27, 2008 20:11:10 GMT -5
I don't recall Supes throwing a punch in STM and that movie was badass. well....... u gotta admit STM was a little... tame and uh wimpish.... all sissy like. Yep, dem pansy-ass artists with deir sissy art and deir queer storytellin'. Dat shit's good if yer one of dem gaysecshuals. Mm-hmm. *phuack-poo, TING!*  |
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Post by thepariah on Nov 28, 2008 10:34:22 GMT -5
Yep, dem pansy-ass artists with deir sissy art and deir queer storytellin'. Dat shit's good if yer one of dem gaysecshuals. Mm-hmm. *phuack-poo, TING!* Rotfl. ;D |
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Post by KOEAGO on Nov 28, 2008 13:47:52 GMT -5
Lack of action in SR was never a problem for me. There was no place in the plot for a supervillain.. and introducing one just for the sake of a big fight would seem forced. true blue |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 29, 2008 17:55:11 GMT -5
Well....I know I've said I was fine if Singer had found a way to get more action in SR, but then again- I can see why Singer chose to make Supes a (mostly) pacifist in SR- He was building on the idea of Supes as Christ- that was more/less hinted on in the first two Superman movies. And...in many ways, critics aren't too far off when they refer to Superman Returns as "The Passion of the Superman"- as it's sortof Singer's version of Superman mixed with the Mel Gibson religious flick. And in Mel Gibson's picture, I don't think he would have had Christ punching out any Romans before being hung up on the cross.... (but then again, I haven't bought the dvd and seen any deleted scenes, so I could be wrong) |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 29, 2008 18:04:43 GMT -5
Aside from the SR bashing, I do think that the idea of how SIV's deleted scenes would have been used is an interesting one, since Cannon did consider it... I imagine your thoughts are probably pretty close on target on what they would have done--- rewriting (badly) around the deleted scenes to make it a whole new story- and then REUSING the blue screen shot that appears half a dozen times in SIV as well as 'behind the head' shots of Reeve from stuff shot in IV, so that they could employ a voice double. I think, if the result of all this were Superman V.... I think people would rethink their opinion of Superman IV, and think it a classic, by comparison!  |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Dec 1, 2008 13:28:47 GMT -5
Lack of action in SR was never a problem for me. There was no place in the plot for a supervillain.. and introducing one just for the sake of a big fight would seem forced. true blue points taken- but what we WANTED was superman to throw-down. even when he was depowered it would have been cool to see him put up a fight with luthors thugs. but while there was no room in the plot for a SUPERvillain it reveals the ...... missed oppurtunity of SR to have superman - in a post-matrix, post - x-men , post spidey era of fantasy films actually get the chance to be SUPER. i appreciate SR for what it is- but it didnt help shrug off the rep that superman " not cool " when we know full well that he is supposed to the biggest badass in the DCU . we have plenty of material in the superman films where he UNDERplays his strength , what we have is TOO FEW examples ( supes vs. zod / supes vs evil supes ) of superman showing why he is the god-among-men. -- and by that i mean grappling with a lethal adversary- NOT lifting a mountain ( which is cool , but not badass ) . |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 1, 2008 18:14:38 GMT -5
hm- great point!  |
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Post by adam15 on Dec 1, 2008 19:44:06 GMT -5
Spot On. I mean so far all we've seen is a wimpy impotent Superman. Com'on guys we all gotta admit it: Superman wears tights and likes pink. He acts all girlie with Lois by putting his hand in the fire to talk about his sissy "feelings." Then he becomes Lois' bitch by running out to get her oafish bum some food and giving up his powers just to get a mere piece of it. Then he gets pounded to high heaven by Rocky, never mind the fact that he ASKED for that fight: all Rocky did was offer to buy Lois a meal wtf was Clark so upset about, coulda saved him a couple of bucks.
Then, SUperman can't even beat the villians without zapping their powers away. Then he beats up a defensless Rocky!!
I think that if we are ever gonna take this jack-ass seriously, he better be choppin' a tude' have some angst, an open a can of whoop-ass on ANYONE who messes with him! But it has to be against someone who at least can go one on one with him!
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Dec 1, 2008 20:41:46 GMT -5
woo-hoo!!!
yeah man!!!
i want the superman that crushes zod's hand JUST before throwing him off a cliff- the superman that whoops darksied's ass ! the superman that throws down with doomsday because he hasnt given up on his nice-guy-schtick then - after resurrection - melts robots with heat vision before bothering to raise his voice- the superman who catches missiles with his bare hands and throws them back at the automatons that sent them , the superman that will break glass on every building in 50 square blocks from the sonic boom of a super-fist hitting a super vilains face, the superman that can lift a mountain- not just to lift a mountain- but to lift a mountain so he can crush the skull of brainiac/kalibak/zod/or whoever.
thats what we so very much need. i am sorry if this reflects poorly on me- but - i am tired of people thinking wolverine/iron man/batman /hulk is cooler. i LOVE ALL of those charcters. they are awesome. but superman is the ZEUS/JESUS/SAMSON/HERCULES/GILGAMESH of the comic-book mythology and it is long past due that we see a less sedate, less somber more assertive superman OWN the comic book world/comic movie world.
can i get an " amen " ??
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 2, 2008 17:32:47 GMT -5
Hm...
I think Singer's MOS would give EVERYONE what they want, including the kickarse elements AND a memorable story.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Dec 2, 2008 20:08:27 GMT -5
Hm... I think Singer's MOS would give EVERYONE what they want, including the kickarse elements AND a memorable story. thats not quite an " amen " but ok. |
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Post by adam15 on Dec 2, 2008 20:26:42 GMT -5
AMEN BROTHER!!!!!! I want Superman to be the meanest leanest, and perhaps not even the cleanest motherfucker when it comes to dealin with shit. He should be badass, he should make the punisher look like big-bird.
In fact he should drop the Clark Kent alter ego too, he could be a hard core gang banger/ drug trafficer in his secret identity guise. If Lois gives him shit, cause he comes home with prostitute he could give her a severe pounding cause she dares question this god among men!
Superman's new code should be that he kills in ALL circumstances without discrimination even if it's just a regular joe who catches him on a bad day!
He stands for Truth Justice and the Ass-Kicking Way!!
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Dec 2, 2008 21:16:22 GMT -5
now wait a second.......
there IS a difference between " rhiteous indignation " and shameless gratuity . we dont want a friggin superman vs. zombies fer cryin out loud.....
ok , dammit - y'know what.. i am going to have to go ahead and post the JOR-LfiveonefiveOH(!) trestise on superman mytho-archetype and rhiteous indignation, you asked for it- you think i'm chatty now ?? ha! wait for it fanboys!!
this needs to be said!
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Post by adam15 on Dec 2, 2008 23:01:08 GMT -5
Okay so maybe I went too far there. Maybe I want a Superman that is between his STM self and his evil SIII self. That would be a good balance. He would be a decent guy most of the time but ever so often he'll show his darkside.
In all seriousness, I do agree that we should see a small dose of Superman getting angry and let out his agression; it would work in great contrast to his normal boy scout routine. Seeing the varying dimensions of Superman's personality would make him more of a 3d character. Superman should be a gentle giant; he wants to be left alone but when the people he cares about are threatened... watch out.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 3, 2008 13:21:38 GMT -5
Don't watch the Batman movies, or X-men, or Daredevil, or TI Hulk, or Blade 1 and 2. The colors will RUIN those movies too!
where the hecks was Hulks purple panks in TIH. I mean it was just shit cause of that. Blade wasn't Badass until he got the red shirt.
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Post by Legsy on Dec 3, 2008 13:50:45 GMT -5
Superman never had black hair in the movies. He has"DARK" hair.
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Post by matt on Dec 3, 2008 13:57:49 GMT -5
Routh looked fine.
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Post by subzero on Dec 3, 2008 14:05:57 GMT -5
adam15 - youre a twat! oh why? coz colour means nothing in movies you doink |
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Post by Jimbo on Dec 3, 2008 14:06:54 GMT -5
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Post by adam15 on Dec 3, 2008 14:47:48 GMT -5
Look Scorpion::: I judge movies not by the content of their characters but by the color of their costumes! Ever wonder why you left Superman Returns without the tremendously positive feeling of goodwill for the character like you did in STM?? How can you be expected to feel that way when Routh's costume was poo-brown and piss-yellow?
I know they were trying to go for a darker more "modern" take on the classic Supes movies but they didn't literally have to make Routh's costume the color of sewage to achieve that effect. I mean maybe it was symbolic imagery since Lois treated him like shit after he saved her oafish ass 100x over but still, give Superman his dignity!
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Post by Jimbo on Dec 3, 2008 14:58:57 GMT -5
If Routh's cape was the color of poo as you say, then you seriously need to go to the hospital.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 3, 2008 15:17:17 GMT -5
You've clearly never seen sewage if you think thats what it looks like.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Dec 3, 2008 15:18:58 GMT -5
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Post by Jimbo on Dec 3, 2008 15:27:28 GMT -5
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Post by ShogunLogan on Dec 3, 2008 15:41:16 GMT -5
where the hecks was Hulks purple panks in TIH. I mean it was just shit cause of that.  . Didn't he get a pair from Betty? |
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