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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 14, 2008 14:55:49 GMT -5
Fantastic review, Maverick--- I don't think I caught this before on the old boards... nice to hear in detail what did and didn't work for you. Want to comment more on specific bits you brought up on your review later... (Have to head off for work now)
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Post by stargazer01 on Nov 14, 2008 18:10:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I also want to reply to the thread on my own experience, but the Internet is not working for me since yesterday (I'm using my cousin's computer right now); there is a huge fire here in Santa Barbara, CA. maybe that's the reason why.  I'm having withdrawals. LOL. Well, actually, it's not funny. But I'm safe, thank God.  I can't wait to read more on what others experienced that day and on their thoughts on the movie. Great thread! See you soon....hopefully. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 17, 2008 22:53:09 GMT -5
A few thoughts that came up in reading Maverick's great review of SR: I don't know if I'd have the energy to write such a complete review, but I always enjoy reading others, and this was one of the most thorough- thank you! I agree with 99% of it, with only a few minor points where I don't agree, but what's 1%?  A few sections at a time- I: Dark? Yes, but for my own two cents- I thought it fine- I'm one the few that thought the cinematography was SPECTACULAR in SR. The dark tone overall I thought fit the tone of the story, though I know I'm a small number who thought the editing and cinematography was fantastic. Aesthetics... II: The (too few) Money Shots. I'm behind you 1000% there. There were a few money shots when Supes lifted the giant Kryptonite landmass, and the shots of his fall to earth (spectacular!!!), but there were a lot of other opportunities for great "Superman shots" that were just bypassed and I thought shouldn't have, either. (The few times that Superman flies towards the screen breaking through the wing of the airplane, carrying the airplane, the super-rescues etc.- all done in mostly long shots...*sigh*. The same, though, is true with his Xmen movies) III: Anti-patriotic? I won't go into discussing politics on this website (leads nowhere--- it's always said to never discuss religion and politics if you want to stay on friendly terms with people) but I agree that the line "Truth, Justice, and all that stuff" should either have been not used at all or confronted in a different way- for creative integrity--- and I totally agree that the idea of Superman standing for an IDEAL America shouldn't be impacted by current politics of ANY real administration. I think I was in favor of the filmmakers' choice at first- but after repeated viewings and over time, I'd have to agree that the line should have just not been used at all, or dealt with in some other fashion so that there didn't have to be a creative compromise. I don't have problems with filmmakers' trying to make political statements in their art (or movies), but I agree that changing the line is like changing the costume for a character that's been established for a LONG time--- if the idea wants to be expanded, it's not difficult at all for Superman to have a moment at a press conference and have a reporter ask if he stands for all people (like how Geoff Johns cleverly put it in his Legion crossover when he says, "I'm for EVERYONE.") or for ONLY one country. There are a lot of people that are patriotic Americans that protested the war, and there are a lot of people that didn't want to say whether they were for either position--- and that's valid, too....but it doesn't mean that you have to change the line of what Superman's about, or been about for 50+ years. Anyhow....my long-winded way of saying.... I agree with what Mav's saying, if I'm interpreting what he's saying correctly. You can make Superman for "Truth, justice, and the American Way" and still have him be a force for good for all humanity. It just takes a more clever way to handle it than changing the line of what he's about. Agree with 99% of what you mentioned- The only bits I was a little disappointed by were the bank robbery/Kitty driving through the crowds (felt too small scale on the bank robbery for me- and the crowds were actually overproduced, I would have been fine if they transferred the extras in the Kitty scene over to the bank robbery to have more cops and robbers there)- but it's minor. Superman's speech to his son---ah....I loved it....BUT....I really had a hard time with Routh's line reading of "The father becomes the son, and the son becomes the father."--- I didn't have any issues with the other lines from Routh, but I felt that Routh wasn't sure of what he meant by it when he quoted Jor-el's lines. The music and imagery really carried the emotion forward, though. Still loved the scene (suprised to hear that it was a last minute addition- hard to imagine the movie without this), I just always slightly winced that the line delivery wasn't sharper here. AWESOME comments on the Matzah balls and I didn't think about the idea of a Crystaline Humanoid Brainiac, but that sounds VERY cool! Anyhow, great fun reading this review,thanks for reposting this! |
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Post by stargazer01 on Nov 18, 2008 1:49:28 GMT -5
A few thoughts that came up in reading Maverick's great review of SR: I don't know if I'd have the energy to write such a complete review, but I always enjoy reading others, and this was one of the most thorough- thank you! I agree with 99% of it, with only a few minor points where I don't agree, but what's 1%? . Superman's speech to his son---ah....I loved it....BUT....I really had a hard time with Routh's line reading of "The father becomes the son, and the son becomes the father."--- I didn't have any issues with the other lines from Routh, but I felt that Routh wasn't sure of what he meant by it when he quoted Jor-el's lines.The music and imagery really carried the emotion forward, though. Still loved the scene (suprised to hear that it was a last minute addition- hard to imagine the movie without this), I just always slightly winced that the line delivery wasn't sharper here.  Really?! I think the opposite. I don't know if you have any children, I do; my son is about the same age as Tristan, and as a mother myself, I think Brandon did a very convincing job with his line delivery in the whole scene. He really impressed me there. I believed everything he said, and his facial expressions were so real, sincere, warm and spot on. I think the whole scene is breathtakingly beautiful, all of it on until he tells Lois "I'm always around. Good night, Lois" and flies away towards the sky, where he belongs. *sigh* I LOVE this film. This might be my favorite scene from the Superman movies. And yes, the score is magical. But that's just me, haha. It's interesting how we can view things so differently. But really, guys, I love this thread, so much good stuff. |
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Post by MAVERICK on Nov 18, 2008 2:44:50 GMT -5
crazy asian, thanks SO much for reading my review & taking the time to comment.
Glad folks liked the review.
While I always respect your opinion, I have to say that I'm in complete disagreement about the delivery of the Father Becomes The Son line.
I get chills on my arms & tears in my eyes every single time I hear Superman deliver that line. He sounds choked up, reverent, & also in shock that the thing that he left earth for 5 years to find, was right here on our planet, growing inside the woman he loves, the one who makes him feel not so alone.
I don't think it could have been any better.
I adore his delivery.
But, hey, we can agree to disagree.
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Post by stargazer01 on Nov 20, 2008 13:19:10 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 21, 2008 12:35:57 GMT -5
Hey, Mav, thank you so much for this forum! About Routh's delivery in that scene: Everything else was pitch-perfect, but I think from watching Marlon Brando's line reading in STM of the same lines--- where the subtext seemed to be extreme sadness and echoing the idea of mortality, and how short life is-- When Routh spoke it and gave it a different subtext - a more gentle tone, and happy to see his son....well, I get that of course he's overwhelmed by the fact he has his son- and I love that Supes' thoughts were automatically going to trying to comfort Jason as he recognized that his son would be the only alien on the planet and be alone--- I thought that there were two different things going on- (1) Supes' expressing his love for his son (2) Supes' expressing his sympathy for the burden and pain that his son was going to go through down the line for BEING his son- When Brando did a similiar thing in STM, Brando had a giant sadness and grimness to his delivery of those lines- and to me, it felt like Routh was expressing his joy of having a son while talking about the horribleness that may lay ahead ("at times you will feel different...")- and it felt totally wrong to me that he should be smiling about the terrible things ahead for his son during that portion of the dialogue. Over time, I'm ok enough with it- the music and the rest of the scene carries it through, but to me, the delivery is sort of like the turning back time sequence in STM--- there are parts of it that I'm not crazy about, but the overall sequence has enough purpose and strength to it that I go with it. If I had a choice, I would have rather that Routh express the joy, then the sadness of what's ahead for Jason (whether he lives or dies or gets too tall for the sequel or gets rebooted out of existence),--- but I could see how some might feel that it may have put too depressing of a note at the end of an already great but somber film. But... then again, there's so much of this movie I think is so far above and beyond that it's a minor quibble. Blame Brando's version. I think the words "Father becomes the son, and the son the father" are supposed to be spoken tragically- I know it doesn't HAVE to have that interpretation, but it was one I was just extremely used to. And... I love that you and Jimbo have run a site where it is okay for us all to agree to disagree and still have a great time! |
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Post by thepariah on Nov 21, 2008 22:10:46 GMT -5
If I had a choice, I would have rather that Routh express the joy, then the sadness of what's ahead for Jason (whether he lives or dies or gets too tall for the sequel or gets rebooted out of existence),--- but I could see how some might feel that it may have put too depressing of a note at the end of an already great but somber film. I agree that although you feel it would have been more appropriate, focusing on implied hardship would have killed the hope that Supes chose to dwell on for his son's future. Perhaps it was a hope that Jason would someday figure out a better way to balance the two sides of his life, something his father still hasn't been able to do. Unlike him, Jason has the benefit of a living biological parent for guidance, whereas Superman had...The Big Giant Head.  Jason may suffer, but whether Superman gets to hit that sweet reporter ass again or be stuck flying in the window every night, he's gonna do everything he can to help him. This time, the phrase You will never be alone is even more significant and accurate. Yeah, the movie already had enough going for it to drive some viewers to the bottle of Prozac--we needed to wring out every last ounce of optimism out of that ending we could get, lol. |
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Post by Paul (ral) on Nov 25, 2008 16:46:12 GMT -5
How many times did everyone go see SR when it was first released in the cinema?
(I just went the once)
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Post by Jimbo on Nov 25, 2008 16:53:07 GMT -5
Four times, a personal record.
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Post by Legsy on Nov 25, 2008 17:23:21 GMT -5
Two IMAX viewings along with two average screen viewings.
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Post by Keith on Nov 25, 2008 17:55:27 GMT -5
Twice I think.. I wanted to go see it in IMAX but it's 3 hours away from where I'm at and I had a really crappy car at the time.
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Post by thepariah on Nov 25, 2008 18:10:56 GMT -5
Two IMAX viewings along with two average screen viewings. Ditto. |
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Post by stargazer01 on Nov 26, 2008 3:05:29 GMT -5
I lost count.  Seriously, I became addicted to this film... I know other people who watched it on theaters as many times as I did, but I doubt anyone from this forum can match my record. |
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Post by Shane on Nov 26, 2008 4:38:55 GMT -5
12 times
i know a dude who went 28 times
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Post by thepariah on Nov 26, 2008 9:12:20 GMT -5
i know a dude who went 28 times  I'd say he wins, but that's actually kinda scary...I'm not sure I've even seen it that many times yet including DVD viewings. |
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Post by anivader on Nov 26, 2008 12:33:48 GMT -5
I saw it six times. 4 times at the megaplex, once at the IMAX 3D showing, and once at the "Cheap" show.
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Post by stargazer01 on Nov 26, 2008 21:00:42 GMT -5
12 times i know a dude who went 28 times |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2008 22:57:49 GMT -5
Nine? I think? About nine.
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Post by ye5man on Nov 28, 2008 6:12:53 GMT -5
Saw it twice, one with the guys from here and one with the woman
Watched it once all the way through on DVD. I don't think I can sit through it all again. Maybe if and when the new film comes out but I'll prob just skip to about 20 mins of good stuff: Opening creds, plane, flight with Lois, some of the Earthquake in Metropolis and the last 3 minutes (despite awful cgi)
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Post by ReeveIsSuperman on Nov 29, 2008 15:56:45 GMT -5
Saw it twice, one with the guys from here and one with the woman Watched it once all the way through on DVD. I don't think I can sit through it all again. Maybe if and when the new film comes out but I'll prob just skip to about 20 mins of good stuff: Opening creds, plane, flight with Lois, some of the Earthquake in Metropolis and the last 3 minutes (despite awful cgi) Same. Alot of people were dissapointed with it. |
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Post by ShogunLogan on Nov 29, 2008 16:39:04 GMT -5
How many times did everyone go see SR when it was first released in the cinema? (I just went the once) Once in the theater. I've seen bits and pieces on HBO or whatever. I wasn't a bit fan of the movie so no sense in seeing it a buncha times. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 29, 2008 17:46:41 GMT -5
Perhaps. I know a lot of people who were also suprised by how good it was, too. |
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Post by MAVERICK on Nov 29, 2008 18:27:22 GMT -5
Aye.
Everyone I know in the real world liked it alot, actually.
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I'm having withdrawals. LOL. 
I can't wait to read more on what others experienced that day and on their thoughts on the movie. Great thread!
Really?! I think the opposite. I don't know if you have any children, I do; my son is about the same age as Tristan, and as a mother myself, I think Brandon did a very convincing job with his line delivery in the whole scene. He really impressed me there. I believed everything he said, and his facial expressions were so real, sincere, warm and spot on. I think the whole scene is breathtakingly beautiful, all of it on until he tells Lois "I'm always around. Good night, Lois" and flies away towards the sky, where he belongs. *sigh* I LOVE this film. This might be my favorite scene from the Superman movies. And yes, the score is magical.
Jason may suffer, but whether Superman gets to hit that sweet reporter ass again or be stuck flying in the window every night, he's gonna do everything he can to help him. This time, the phrase You will never be alone is even more significant and accurate.
