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Post by Jack Tripper on Jan 20, 2009 2:33:40 GMT -5
in stm clark is doing his training in the FOS, cue space shots and jor-el talking to him, then his face turns into a mask. i never got it as a kid and i don't get it now. any insight?
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Post by belloq on Jan 20, 2009 3:01:37 GMT -5
I always took notice of this, myself. My little theory is that it has something to do with a link between the technological and spiritual. We learned in II that there was something of Jor-El's spirit or essence in the Fortress. In this sequence, you see the mask thing (which looks to be crystaline) at the beginning and end of this encounter. Maybe its a mechanism that the Fortress uses to summon Jor-El's spirit, like a highly advanced Ouija board or robotic medium. Whatever it is, I always loved the imagery.
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Post by matt on Jan 20, 2009 11:18:46 GMT -5
I don't think it meant anything. I thought it was done for effect and a neat way to introduce Superman.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jan 20, 2009 19:10:50 GMT -5
lets call it a " mood " element....
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Post by MAVERICK on Jan 20, 2009 20:14:19 GMT -5
I agree with both Belloq and Supes80.
I think they meant it the way Supes80 said.
But, I like to take it the way Belloq said.
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Post by DarrenJ on Jan 20, 2009 20:41:52 GMT -5
Well as we go through Jor-El's eyes I always presumed it was a metaphor for the whole 'I will see your life through my eyes' speech etc.
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Post by MAVERICK on Jan 20, 2009 22:17:02 GMT -5
Great observation as well! What an awesomely layered movie 
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2009 23:35:41 GMT -5
I take it as how Kryptonian technology works. Crystals. Jor El's crystal face, I figure, is how his essence was saved, captured if you will. When in a static state, it looks like a crystal face. When activated and accessed, the face turns into Jor El's holographic storage files in the form of his face. Kinda like his past conscienceness at one specific point in time was frozen in that crystal file.
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Post by Matt in the Hat on Jan 21, 2009 2:36:54 GMT -5
Or it's just Fucking cool.
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Post by adam15 on Jan 21, 2009 16:07:35 GMT -5
What about Jor-El's jock strap? Didn't Clark use it to get his powers back?
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Post by Jack Tripper on Jan 21, 2009 21:04:09 GMT -5
seriously, are you 5? just shut up already. What about Jor-El's jock strap? Didn't Clark use it to get his powers back? |
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Post by Jack Tripper on Jan 21, 2009 21:06:37 GMT -5
seriously, are you 5? ya know i wouldn't mind if you were 5 and your comments actually adding something to the conversation, but since they dont...just shut up already. What about Jor-El's jock strap? Didn't Clark use it to get his powers back? |
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Post by adam15 on Jan 22, 2009 3:18:19 GMT -5
Oh I'm sorry. I mean that I always interpreted the image as being Jor-El's jocky cup. It is a mask you say  I guess those ventilation holes are the "eyes" and the cod-peice the "nose" but 'eye of the beholder' I guess. See, the I think the audience travels through the GREAT JOCK STRAP OF JOR-EL and we see the great image of Superman wearing his fathers cup in all his glory!! Thus, Superman becomes a man. |
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Post by belloq on Jan 22, 2009 3:43:24 GMT -5
That's an interesting observation. Maybe some kind of
alpha-male representation on a subconscious level. Possibly sheds new light on Brad's attitude toward Clark in III. Excellent interpretation.
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Post by Keith on Jan 22, 2009 3:55:35 GMT -5
;D ;D Belloq is my new hero lol.
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Post by Legsy on Jan 22, 2009 10:30:47 GMT -5
That's an interesting observation. Maybe some kind of alpha-male representation on a subconscious level. Possibly sheds new light on Brad's attitude toward Clark in III. Excellent interpretation. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by stargazer01 on Jan 22, 2009 11:53:20 GMT -5
seriously, are you 5? just shut up already. What about Jor-El's jock strap? Didn't Clark use it to get his powers back? VERY WELL SAID.  Sadly, I'm not sure he is able to grasp such simple concept...  |
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Post by stargazer01 on Jan 22, 2009 12:00:16 GMT -5
in stm clark is doing his training in the FOS, cue space shots and jor-el talking to him, then his face turns into a mask. i never got it as a kid and i don't get it now. any insight? Yeah, I know, I always felt the same way, but the comments on this thread are very interesting and insightful. I'm enjoying them a great deal. And wow.. that scene is indeed fantastic and magical. Love the score and all about it. Thanks for posting it. |
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Post by MAVERICK on Jan 22, 2009 12:49:19 GMT -5
BELLOQ FTW!!!!!
;D ;D ;D
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Post by fggafagas on Jan 29, 2009 6:25:44 GMT -5
When I was younger and first watched it, I thought the mask.. transformed Clark into an adult or something. But yeah, it's probably entirely symbolic, Clark becoming a man, or the son becomes the father.
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Post by TheKryptoniteKid on Feb 5, 2009 19:13:09 GMT -5
Maybe Jor-El uses it to cover up any trace of Kryptonian acne...
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Sadly, I'm not sure he is able to grasp such simple concept... 