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Post by Metallo on Jul 22, 2008 4:17:25 GMT -5
Hey they killed Rachel Dawes. Maybe the kid is toast. Just cast Shia Laboof as the grown version of the kid so I can REALLY enjoy it when Brainiac dissects him!
Actually I liked the kid. Little Tristan wasn't annoying or anything. Gave a pretty real performance...unlike Jake Lloyd, or the kid from the Mummy Returns, or the kid from Zorro 2, or...
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 22, 2008 8:53:56 GMT -5
The kid was the thing that was the biggest payoff in SR, imo... it meant an actual progression to Superman's development as a character (actually moreso than Clark marrying Lois in the comics, imo)--- and I have/had a hunch for the longest time that while there's no script, that Singer already had the idea of what to do next with that story element. And I had zero problem with Bosworth. Recasting her with Maggie Gyllenhall is not the way to go in this case.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 22, 2008 14:15:48 GMT -5
I agree. Its something different when people always complain about Superman being the same old same old. And it wasn't handled in a silly fashion like L&C did.
That's why its so lame Marvel keeps aunt May on life support as a character, set back the clock on the Parker marriage and didn't let them keep r have kids. Spider-man was always about responsibility and Peters maturation for years...but now Marvel wants him stuck in this character limbo because they see $$$ signs and can't upset the cash cow at the expense of good storytelling.
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Post by Avilos on Jul 22, 2008 23:01:17 GMT -5
I disagree about the Kid & Bos. They both stay for my taste. Rebooting (even "of-sorts") is for complete disasters like 2003s HULK. SR was no disaster. Your right. Plus in terms of Box Office the reboot with The Incredible Hulk did not even work. Its has not made much more than the 2003 film. So I think that is a clear warning to both Warner and Marvel that quicky reboots don't work. But TDK which has built on the familiarity of the first film has greatly expanded on its success. Part of building franchises is sticking with characters and ideas until you can pay them off in future films.
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Post by Legsy on Jul 22, 2008 23:09:48 GMT -5
Bingo!
I'd still like to have someone else play Lois. But, Bosworth has the potential to be a great actress. I just think she didn't pulled it off in SR. heck, she's worked with Spacey in many movies, and we all know Spacey doesn't like the ladies. So there's something there. Hopefully it'll show in MOS.
The Legendary Pictures site still has the movie under "development" so that's a good sign.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 23, 2008 9:58:40 GMT -5
Personally, I thought Bosworth played a 'softer' Lois than Kidder or Noell Niel- but given she also had to now be a mom, that it was appropriate that she wasn't as over-the-top aggressive for a story.
On another note: The giant question comes up: What DOES Singer have in mind for the kid? Ignoring him would be wasting the credibility of SR's story---
I think Singer can have him live, but there's probably SOME twist... If Singer kills him off (which maybe the case)--- I think that would be an easier dark twist to sell with the success of TDK rather than before.
Also, if the kid was getting sick all the time (as was stated in the film), maybe Singer is hinting at what the comics' are hinting at... that humans and Kryptonians are not compatable after all to produce healthy offspring. (In fact, I think one of Geoff Johns' recent comics stated that).
I totally agree with Maverick's statment, though.... if TDK's giant success doesn't fast track MOS... NOTHING will!
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 23, 2008 22:09:09 GMT -5
What if the kid wasn't real? What if he's a manipulation of BRAINIAC. And Supes' "angry god" thing comes from the absolute fury of realizing that he, and the woman he loves, have been manipulated. Like, emotionally raped.
I just...I hate the idea of the kid. I mean, it would be fine for a third movie, but I really think it hamstrings THIS incarnation of the franchise, and robs new audiences of the classic Lois/Clark/Superman dynamic.
Same reason I'm against the marriage in the comics.
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Post by Legsy on Jul 23, 2008 22:14:02 GMT -5
That could work.
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Post by hursty on Jul 27, 2008 4:28:30 GMT -5
What they could do with this film is literally make it about a man made of steel. Ditch the whole 'super man' idea because the real superman is no longer with us.
I suggest Bob Hoskins to play the metallic hero, and DJ Norman Cook to play his arch nemesis 'aluminium Alan'
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Post by hursty on Jul 27, 2008 4:29:38 GMT -5
I dont think the success of TDK can help 'MOS'
Bale's Batman doesn't insult.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 27, 2008 13:28:54 GMT -5
Thats not what you used to say. You gave Begins a chance and it surprised you.
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Post by Brimstone on Jul 27, 2008 15:47:58 GMT -5
The probelm i see with the Marvel movies is that they seem factory pressed.
The production line of FF and new Hulk and Ironman and even the Spiderman movies (well 3 was just plain embarrasing) they're not great movies. Some cases the story isn't really there and others the cast or effects aren't right.
I worry that the speed that these things are churned out might cause a drop in quality.
I hope DC chooses the middle path.
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Post by hursty on Jul 27, 2008 15:57:54 GMT -5
I repeat, it was the 3rd time I have seen BB.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 27, 2008 16:30:03 GMT -5
In this case I'm talking about BEFORE you saw it.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 27, 2008 16:34:42 GMT -5
Iron Man was saved by a solid director and GREAT leading man. Spider-man 2 had heart. TIH had Norton. The FF films were a cheap way to make a quick buck. Only Thing and Torch came out anywhere close to right or good.
Marvels got MAYBE 5 or 6 really great movies. The rest range from average to awful.
Blade, X-men 1 and 2. Spider-man 2, Iron Man, and TIH are the creeam of that crop.
Spider-man 1 is close to great but theres a lot of stuff that holds it back from beign a GREAT film or at least better than 2. It just feels off somehow now that I look at it.
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Post by eccentricbeing on Jul 27, 2008 20:17:23 GMT -5
Spider-man 1 is close to great but theres a lot of stuff that holds it back from beign a GREAT film or at least better than 2. It just feels off somehow now that I look at it. Could it be the pro-America attitude of post-9/11 that's in Spidey 1?
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Post by Metallo on Jul 27, 2008 20:28:40 GMT -5
Could be. After that bridge scene I expected Spidey to tuck the flag in and swing around with it like a cape.
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Post by fggafagas on Jul 27, 2008 21:05:49 GMT -5
Despite his attitude, would he really be so bad for Superman? What is it everyone is afraid of exactly?
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Post by Metallo on Jul 27, 2008 21:12:56 GMT -5
Him turning Superman into some cliche dime a dozen bullsh*t. Biggest lazy hack bastard in comics. Period.
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Post by Legsy on Jul 27, 2008 21:20:04 GMT -5
Si Senor.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 27, 2008 22:03:01 GMT -5
Well, the sad thing is...Millar actually really DOES understand and love Superman. He did a few issues of "Superman Adventures" (the comic counterpart to the animated series) which were, well...better than any Superman comics published that year, that's for sure. Iconic.
He's also a very capable writer. In a poor man's Grant Morrison kinda way.
His problem is that he INSISTS on doing things purely for shock value, and putting inappropriate shock moments and jokes in books where they don't belong. He also commits the cardinal sin of believing he's more clever than his audience. Which is fine, but not when the audience catches you doing it.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 27, 2008 22:12:24 GMT -5
There's only so much thinking outside the box he could do on Superman adventures. He had a great universe laid out for him. The animated version of Superman at the time was THE best take on the character going at the time; better than Lois and Clark and better than the comics.
I think the guy has had a decent idea sometimes but like you said his entire style and success has depended on shock value. Its not going to work with Superman. And Wanted was just...just...ugh.
I'll just say FAR better writers haven't got a shot at a screen Superman so why should he? He's going to save Superman but he's written crap FAR worse than Superman Returns?
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Post by HeartMonger on Jul 27, 2008 23:01:50 GMT -5
Okay. Here's the thing. I am as against any remake of any kind that would dare be concieved. But I still cannot swallow (So to speak) the story line with Superman having a child, and am all for a way to dispell this from the franchise.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 27, 2008 23:10:10 GMT -5
Pull a Rachel Dawes on him...or Vals idea that he really ISN'T their child.
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Post by fggafagas on Jul 28, 2008 1:13:58 GMT -5
Okay. Here's the thing. I am as against any remake of any kind that would dare be concieved. But I still cannot swallow (So to speak) the story line with Superman having a child, and am all for a way to dispell this from the franchise. These days I have to agree. I'm fine with any story development as long as they have plans for it. It doesn't feel like there's really anywhere to go with this one that doesn't involve putting a lot of focus on the kid. Right now, I want them to exhaust all the good Superman stories they can before they move onto him becoming a parent. Really, there's a lot to do with Superman at this point. So far, all we've had are two good movies and one ok movie, and only two members of Superman's rogues gallery have graced the big screen. I don't count Non and Ursa btw, since they were created for the movies and then later brought into the comics.
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