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Post by botz1 on Jan 9, 2015 18:50:17 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 11, 2015 15:18:48 GMT -5
The advantages (in general) of shooting back to back: 1. More economical (one would think) and practical (schedulewise/whatnot) 2. More savings- theoretically- more $ on the screen 3. Greenlighting two means less excuse for bad quality blamed on not enough screen time
Downsides to splitting it in half: 1. Only half of a story 2. Too much padding if the story didn't warrant it to begin with
But- ultimately- Though I'm not a Batfleck fan nor a Snyder fan- just want the movie experience to be good enough to be worth it. Hopefully it's good enough that I want to see a sequel.... in which case, nice if the sequel comes out a year later.
So... will see. Curious what the run times are for these.
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Post by Metallo on Jan 11, 2015 15:41:59 GMT -5
I think on one hand its a good idea to split the films if true. That year and a half wait is just anticipation crushing. the film already sounds bloated so making it two films will help spread some of that out. On the other hand I fear the same problems the Hobbit trilogy had with a set number of films padded out to make another film.
Either way it shows DC didn't have a plan no matter what they say The initial release date has moved around too much for that to be true. Is this a reaction to the recent trend of splitting some films into two parts (including Infinity War)? Maybe. Best thing would have been to plan all this out from the start. Including two films.
but on the bright side the first films title sounds like it will focus on Batman and Superman while the second film will be able to give more time to introducing the DC universe as a whole. That's IF any of these rumors are true.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 12, 2015 20:51:33 GMT -5
I think on one hand its a good idea to split the films if true. That year and a half wait is just anticipation crushing. the film already sounds bloated so making it two films will help spread some of that out. On the other hand I fear the same problems the Hobbit trilogy had with a set number of films padded out to make another film. Either way it shows DC didn't have a plan no matter what they say The initial release date has moved around too much for that to be true. Is this a reaction to the recent trend of splitting some films into two parts (including Infinity War)? Maybe. Best thing would have been to plan all this out from the start. Including two films. but on the bright side the first films title sounds like it will focus on Batman and Superman while the second film will be able to give more time to introducing the DC universe as a whole. That's IF any of these rumors are true. After more and more stories of how Marvel actually puts its stuff together- somewhat chaotically as well - I'm not as hard to dump on WB/DC as I was before, for not preplanning properly. (Though they are guilty of keeping things in development heck for decades until Marvel's success embarrassed them out of it). I'm mixed on whether or not it's a good thing if WB/DC succeeds. If they totally bomb, the creative staff has to change.... or, it could mean superhero films for WB going into limbo for decades again. If they succeed, will it give more power to creative people who are putting the comic movies in the wrong direction to begin with. Just glad Marvel seems to have it together ENOUGH to keep on getting hit after hit (for the most part). I just have a bad feeling after Marvel does it's thing, that they retire- rather than keep on going.
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Post by Metallo on Jan 21, 2015 12:02:52 GMT -5
The thing to me CAM is that Marvel seems to think these things out far better than WB AND they have more faith in their source material and their characters. Marvel also comes off looking like a more well oiled machine at this point. When was the last time Marvel had major release date changes like BvS? They seem to be able to roll with the punches. jury is still out on Antman but compare the productions of GOTG and CA:TWS to Man of Steel. They didn't take nearly as long to produce and release but they were arguably of better quality. With all that time spent on thing you'd think WB would be able to deliver something better. They need a Feige and I just don't think Nolan or Goyer are it. I was hoping Johns couldve been but it just looks like there is no one guy at the too creatively. They serve the whims of corporate masters far more at WB instead of having s more fertile creative process.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 31, 2015 13:39:05 GMT -5
Disney seems to be allowing Marvel to run itself- and Marvel seems to be Kevin Feige---- so that's awesome. On WB/DC's side..... it's such a pity that Singer's SR didn't go through the roof. If Singer was the overseer of the superhero franchises, I would have felt good about it. At the same time- I'm thrilled he's back (for the time being) with X-men. Nolan isn't Feige- he doesn't seem to have the interest. Snyder might be the equivalent.... unfortunately. Anyhow- things ARE getting so saturated on tv and movies that I'm not even following them all anymore- and it used to be a 'must' for this old fanboy. Something's got to implode pretty soon with so many tv series and movies that are superhero based? How can it not? But hopefully it's DC and not Marvel that does so....
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Post by Metallo on Feb 11, 2015 19:08:52 GMT -5
DC is throwing everything at the small screen to see what sticks and it feels like overkill. Constantine may be the first victim. Gotham is just lazy and predictable. Not sure what to think of Supergirl. It's all just confusing. CW shows seems to be the one place where there is some sense of order. Marvels Netflix deal has me very curious. Far fewer restrictions compared to network TV.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 13, 2015 18:34:06 GMT -5
DC is throwing everything at the small screen to see what sticks and it feels like overkill. Constantine may be the first victim. Gotham is just lazy and predictable. Not sure what to think of Supergirl. It's all just confusing. CW shows seems to be the one place where there is some sense of order. Marvels Netflix deal has me very curious. Far fewer restrictions compared to network TV. I've always heard that the tv divisions and movie divisions were generally separate entities--- which makes Shield and Agent Carter interesting in the crossovers--- though I wish both were a lot more compelling in general.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 9, 2015 15:32:06 GMT -5
And Supergirl just got more confusing. Could there be two seperate versions of Supergirls. WB is using the same old lazy greedy thinking. "If one universe has made marvel all this money think about how much money five TV and film universes could make us!" The creative freedom excuse is bullpoop. Arrow can't use batman or superman in major roles. That's what makes it all bullpoop. And it looks like Supergirl will pull a 50s Jimmy Olsen spinoff/ birds of prey approach with superman. The PC casting is just kinda silly at this point too. I'm all for diversity but come on they're doing it for the sake of doing it. Hard to believe some of these people are really the best choices out there.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 9, 2015 18:07:15 GMT -5
And Supergirl just got more confusing. Could there be two seperate versions of Supergirls. WB is using the same old lazy greedy thinking. "If one universe has made marvel all this money think about how much money five TV and film universes could make us!" The creative freedom excuse is bullpoop. Arrow can't use batman or superman in major roles. That's what makes it all bullpoop. And it looks like Supergirl will pull a 50s Jimmy Olsen spinoff/ birds of prey approach with superman. The PC casting is just kinda silly at this point too. I'm all for diversity but come on they're doing it for the sake of doing it. Hard to believe some of these people are really the best choices out there. WB will never get the same level of respect that Marvel (and Disney gets credit for being hands-off so far) gets from its string of financial and creative success on such a big level. Right now, it feels like they're just throwing everything but the kitchen sink out there to see what sticks- so.... depending on the filmmaker involved, it's a mixed bag. Unfortunately, with Goyer/Snyder in the 'A' seats, it's hard to envision too much good branching from that. As far as the 'pc' casting- it's just lame. If Jimmy had an asian actor cast, I'd still feel that it was miscast.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 9, 2015 22:01:49 GMT -5
Does this rule out the cyborg superman for a future mos movie. That's a mistake IMO. Or will there be two Hank Henshaws? That's why this crap is so confusing. Do the movies not have plans for a lot of these guys?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 10, 2015 23:35:22 GMT -5
Does this rule out the cyborg superman for a future mos movie. That's a mistake IMO. Or will there be two Hank Henshaws? That's why this crap is so confusing. Do the movies not have plans for a lot of these guys? The plans have sounded so bizzare and all over the place (Two jokers in different movies? Two Flashes?) - that even if Marvel/Kevin Feige only has a rough outline, (I never was thrilled with the way they went back and forth with Stark being part of the Avengers initiative, then not, then was again - that was sloppy)- he's certainly shown far more control over continuity than any other studio. Even 20th Century Fox with its X-men and Wolverine spinoffs and all their continuity gaffes don't seem NEARLY as confusing as what's ahead at DC. Very, very, strange at WB/DC.....
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Post by Metallo on Mar 11, 2015 12:40:29 GMT -5
I realized there are going to be two Amanda Wallers if Arrow is still allowed to use her so yeah it looks like WB is going to be a bit schizo with its characters. Fox seems to finally be getting it right. Sadly I think Lauren Schuler Donner hasn't been helping in recent years. getting Singer back and Vaughn on board turned it around. Deadpool will be the real test.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 12, 2015 0:19:51 GMT -5
I realized there are going to be two Amanda Wallers if Arrow is still allowed to use her so yeah it looks like WB is going to be a bit schizo with its characters. Fox seems to finally be getting it right. Sadly I think Lauren Schuler Donner hasn't been helping in recent years. getting Singer back and Vaughn on board turned it around. Deadpool will be the real test. I only credit Singer and Vaughn with getting X-men right.... it'd be nice to really find out how/why the series stalled for so long between X3 and X-Men:First Class. At least (thank goodness) Vaughn's direction on Singer's story turned out so well..... (I'm not as impressed with his current Kingsmen). I'm glad that Donner seems to really embrace Singer being with the X-family (at least publicly) and has said she wants him to stay in the long-run. While Singer wasn't around- Donner hasn't seemed to be that strong a force or not really be too concerned with staying even remotely true to the comics. Hopefully Singer decides to make it his life's work. While the X-series isn't exactly all I'd love it to be, under Singer it's had some pretty terrific movies and I really think he does have a special touch to it that other directors haven't had.
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Post by botz1 on Mar 29, 2015 17:36:48 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Apr 3, 2015 13:03:19 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it. The wait has been absurd tho. Much like with Star Trek they should have struck with assault while the iron was still hot. It would be a different story of the first film had built up enough good will. These extremely long post production schedules on Snyders movies boggle my mind.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 4, 2015 1:34:56 GMT -5
There's definitely stuff going on- but it certainly looks like they're committed to following Marvel's lead (sort of...) and doubling down on multiple character movies to follow right away if it works out.
I think it will make a lot of money- just based on name recognition and the novelty of Batman vs. Superman--- but in comparison to the budget, who knows? If the plot and characters end up being pretty flat--- and/or the audiences start comparing to the Avengers movies--- then, it could well disappoint.... and a Wonder Woman spinoff is a whole other risk, unless the actress playing WW in Batfleck vs. Superman sparkles. If she's a 'meh' presence...... it's not guaranteed that a WW movie will be a hit.
Also--- it may be telling that even Marvel isn't/hasn't rushed out a Black Widow movie.... it may be a bit trickier to pull off. I applaud WB's decision to make a WW movie- but the way they've cast it and are going around it may or may not work. Hard to know yet.
Anyhow- I'm way grateful to Singer and (for the most part) Marvel/Feige for making so many great choices overall.
Hopefully I can say the same about WB soon....
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Post by Metallo on Apr 6, 2015 10:37:42 GMT -5
I think a black widow movie faces some of the same issue as something like Punisher. How do you make it as something that stands out in the pack of spy movies and shoot em ups but for a moderate budget. I think that's one reason why we haven't had a Widow movie yet but they are developing a Ms Marvel movie. Most human gun toting comic book heroes aren't getting movies yet and I think it's because they don't know how to pull them off. Dredd was a darn fine movie but no one gave it a chance and with it's futuristic setting it had more of the spectacle a lot of people want
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 9, 2015 12:04:51 GMT -5
I think a black widow movie faces some of the same issue as something like Punisher. How do you make it as something that stands out in the pack of spy movies and shoot em ups but for a moderate budget. I think that's one reason why we haven't had a Widow movie yet but they are developing a Ms Marvel movie. Most human gun toting comic book heroes aren't getting movies yet and I think it's because they don't know how to pull them off. Dredd was a darn fine movie but no one gave it a chance and with it's futuristic setting it had more of the spectacle a lot of people want Dredd was a good small movie--- but I can get why it didn't catch on with the mainstream used to humongous budgets for their fantasy films nowadays. Good point on the Black Widow movie- I got used to, but never was crazy about Scarjo myself as BW--- Once they put in the idea of Emily Blunt originally cast, never got it out of my head. Though..... a Black Widow movie certainly sounds like it makes more sense than an Ant-Man movie. If Marvel always thought of BW as a supporting character- very smart! One crazy/great thing that threw me when they did the Captain America movie was Marvel being smart/wise enough to surround Cap with characters and actors that the audience already was familiar with - Sam Jackson, Scarjo, and the gal who played Jackson's right hand man. Contractwise, Marvel seems pretty amazing (though also a bit uncool if you're the original actor playing War Machine) in pre-planning their deals. A Ms. Marvel movie would definitely feel big scale enough to warrant a giant budget (presuming it's going to be as bigscale as Guardians)- and Marvel is so clever to crossover (at the right time mainly) their films, that I could see them populating a lot of crossover characters from either the tv series or films. The only weakness Marvel's shown so far are their tv shows. Pity. (Though Daredevil looks to change that)
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