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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 4, 2015 12:28:25 GMT -5
Showed bits and pieces to one of my younger relatives the other day- (had to jump over the 'boring' parts as he is 5).... and you don't get a bigger kick out of the film than showing it to a kid who isn't cynical about fx and the world. You get to revisit the film with them as they gasp with Superman flying.
Hadn't seen STM in a long time. Marvelled at the level of quality and attention that Donner put into it, still.
It's a film that puts the heart and warmth above the rest, I feel. The scenes of parents hugging children or Superman nervously being interviewed by Lois Lane is considered just as important a scene as everything else.
Gave me a bit of a heartache again for the unfinished SII, but at least Donner was able to shoot half of it and we got to see half it, even if truncated.
Out of all the superhero films that have come after- in spirit and heart, I think Raimi's Spiderman may be the closest we got in spirit to another superhero film with the same amount of heart.
After that, perhaps Guardians of the Galaxy and/or the first Captain America.
In any case, I wonder how often (or if he does at all) Donner revisits his own work. I'm glad he immortalized his vision on film for all to see, but I also imagine and wonder if it's tough for him without Mank around.
On the plus side, even with Reeve and Mank gone- it's nice that the world got to experience some of their gifts through STM and parts of SII- if not, even though there might have been other things they've done, (Somewhere In Time I know has it's own cult fanbase of sorts) STM has the biggest audience attached to them.... again, I digress.
As I was going to say, if you ever feel cynical or in the dumps, medicine is sharing STM to someone who's still got the kid inside for the first time and watching it with them.
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Post by atp on Feb 4, 2015 13:23:30 GMT -5
Is it better than MoS?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 4, 2015 14:14:37 GMT -5
Is it better than MoS? ;-) I showed older kids in my classroom STM- and they laughed out loud at the helicopter rescue and fx, feeling the movie was too corny and not cool enough, but love MOS. I like parts of MOS, and parts are horrible, but throughout it really is a heartless film in script and direction. When MOS works, it's like the better parts of Independence Day. Thrilling and exhiliarating. But even if the whole movie succeeded on its own terms- STM really is Donner's love affair with the character--- and at the core is a romantic comedy. It is Superman/Lois. It's the humor and it's the unrealistic crowd cheering to John Williams music when Superman saves the helicopter and the gal and all that. MOS is Zack Snyder's view of heroes having to look they're in a beautifully shot music video. People here loved STM, but I don't think everybody was responding to the same thing. Half of the folks who loved STM, loved SR (like me) Half of the folks who loved STM, loved MOS and hated/didn't care for SR- Is it better than MOS? To me, there's no question. While The Dark Knight might be a better made film on some levels- STM is a more warmhearted film, flaws and all. The older kids love MOS- but the younger ones love the charm and wonder of STM. All depends on what you like....
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Post by atp on Feb 5, 2015 13:55:29 GMT -5
I still think that helicopter rescue scene in STM is one of the best things in the history of movies.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 5, 2015 18:36:43 GMT -5
I still think that helicopter rescue scene in STM is one of the best things in the history of movies. Me too--- Absolutely. Other superhero films that have come out since then haven't beat that 'first appearance' scene, imo. Spiderman tried, but it wasn't quite the same. There's something about all Donner's choices that made it magical. As far as the class goes- To be fair, the classroom setting wasn't the best place to show that movie. I also didn't show them the beginning with Krypton/whatnot.... if it was with older kids in the right frame of mind, it probably would have been a better sampling.
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Post by stargazer0118 on Feb 23, 2015 14:01:48 GMT -5
SR also has the heart and emotion, IMO.
I think STM is a great film, but it's a product of its time. For instance, some of the humor is really dated and yes some of the FX are as well, but the heart and story are just as good or better.
I can't comment on MOS because still haven't seen it! I just don't care about it..
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 25, 2015 12:47:15 GMT -5
SR also has the heart and emotion, IMO. I think STM is a great film, but it's a product of its time. For instance, some of the humor is really dated and yes some of the FX are as well, but the heart and story are just as good or better. I can't comment on MOS because still haven't seen it! I just don't care about it.. The only faults I have with SR are a few unnecessarily confusing continuity conflicts that are a little hard to get around (the backstory of Lois & Supes sleeping together, but Supes not revealing who he is to Lois? Lex has been to the Fortress of Solitude before but only now talks to Jor-el and figures out he's Superman's father?) on deep inspection. The bummer to me is Singer not putting a more definitive 'cap' on whether or not Richard knows Jason is his son & if he's ok with it all.... could have been done in a line or two. I have friends on both sides- that say Richard does, and that Richard doesn't know. Out of a lot of sequels that didn't get made (or made properly)- SR not getting a sequel by Singer tops the list- Donner's SII tops the list on sequels not done right that needed to (followed closely by Return of the Jedi, but that's another discussion).
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Post by crown on Feb 26, 2015 3:10:51 GMT -5
Richard would have eventually found out that Jason was Superman's son even if he was in a state on denial in SR.
He also knew Lois didn't really love him and was only with him because he passed off as a poor man's version of Superman.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 28, 2015 0:00:16 GMT -5
Richard would have eventually found out that Jason was Superman's son even if he was in a state on denial in SR. He also knew Lois didn't really love him and was only with him because he passed off as a poor man's version of Superman. A noble interpretation is that Richard knows Supes is the dad in SR - and is ok with it, so long as Lois still commits to the guy & the relationship. A less noble version is that Richard is a dope, and will totally feel screwed by both Lois and Supes once he discovers it. All it would have taken is a more tangible note that both Lois & Richard knew and forgave it- but since it's ambiguous enough that people are on two sides of the fence of it, it does feel like an open-ended cliffhanger of sorts. With SR and Days of Future Past, I really marvel at how Singer plays these bits of drama in a superhero film and make it touching rather than cloying. SR could have been bad soap if handled badly (though some felt it was)- but if Singer was pressed to wrap up/ continue the story, I miss not being able to see this storyline resolved. Ah well....
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Post by Metallo on Mar 9, 2015 21:58:32 GMT -5
A lot more could have been done with Luthor getting his hands on Kryptonian tehnology. A lot more. And that continent floating in space was begging for a follow up. I could forgive all SR's other faults if it just had more action and another lois. Pound for pound I think it'd cast was just as good or better than MOS. It's just the execution that was weak at times.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 10, 2015 23:38:23 GMT -5
A lot more could have been done with Luthor getting his hands on Kryptonian tehnology. A lot more. And that continent floating in space was begging for a follow up. I could forgive all SR's other faults if it just had more action and another lois. Pound for pound I think it'd cast was just as good or better than MOS. It's just the execution that was weak at times. I wasn't thrilled with Bosworth as Lois, but there was chemistry between Routh and Bosworth. In the behind the scenes, it kind of feels like SR was rushed to production. I love enough of it, but thoroughy agree that the lack of action undermined its own box office. Dougherty was insistent on a supervillain added- though nixed by Singer. In this case, I felt Singer was way off. Still, many - extremely artsy bits in SR - perhaps too artsy for the mainstream.
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