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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 9, 2015 8:25:48 GMT -5
Well.... Haven't seen the movie, but I always thought the character of Superman had to handled delicately to be done right- and Zack Snyder and Goyer don't have delicate touches. Glad if the movie is great- but this article can't be good for Cavill's ego. To be singled out as a movie's weak link? Ouch. He should talk to Katie Holmes. news.yahoo.com/warner-bros-wants-more-batman-in-batman-v-074850048.html
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Post by crown on Sept 9, 2015 10:26:14 GMT -5
Yeah we all knew this was coming people. As SOON as Batman was put in to Man of Steel 2 it was all over. The new JLA series of films WILL star Batman as the "Iron Man" role and Superman will be the side character.
Superman will be to Batman what Hawkeye was to Ironman.
NOBOBY (especially WB) cares about Superman and that is because MOS had a lot of problems.
Dang it Dang it Dang It!!!!!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 9, 2015 10:49:26 GMT -5
Yeah we all knew this was coming people. As SOON as Batman was put in to Man of Steel 2 it was all over. The new JLA series of films WILL star Batman as the "Iron Man" role and Superman will be the side character. Superman will be to Batman what Hawkeye was to Ironman. NOBOBY (especially WB) cares about Superman and that is because MOS had a lot of problems. Dang it Dang it Dang It!!!!! I'm just shocked that it's come to that. It's one thing for MOS 2 to be on 'permanent hold'- that's bad enough.... it meant that even the box office they got was a disappointment (though they're not calling it that) plus the mixed fan reaction- might have given them pause, but to say 'more Batman, less Superman' in a movie already finished that they're (reportedly) happy with just sounds awful.
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Post by atp on Sept 9, 2015 14:49:57 GMT -5
MoS was perfect.
It's just that WB are still hung up on STM and can never accept anyone but Reeve.
That's the only explanation.
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Post by crown on Sept 9, 2015 15:16:37 GMT -5
OMG ATP.. what the heck are you calling me...... some kind of Reeve Only Person? ?
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 10, 2015 21:56:55 GMT -5
Wow.
I thought some variation of these events might happen, but I didn't expect DC and/or WB to admit it or leak it so publicly. It sounds like Cavill is being specifically targeted.
Back when they announced Affleck, I knew he was going to pull a Daniel Craig and surprise his doubters. Affleck's detractors seem to forget that Gigi, Jersey Girl, Sum of All Fears, and Daredevil were over 13 years ago and Affleck has a ton of experience behind him in the years since. He's transcended some of those notorious earlier roles and matured into an effective and likable actor and filmmaker.
So if he lived up to his potential as Batman, I'm not surprised that the suits would want MORE of his Batman. What I didn't expect would be that they would want "LESS" of Cavill.
This is a real slap to the face for Cavill.
And to Snyder.
I'm not sure Cavill could've done much better given the material he was given. I also wonder if the disappointing (but predictable) boxoffice results for "Man From UNCLE", which starred Cavill, have anything to do with this?
As for Snyder, I was a huge fan of his at first, but have found it more and more difficult to defend his artistic choices in recent years.
I really, really had fun and enjoyed "300" and his "Dawn of the Dead" remake. I gave him the benefit of the doubt with "Watchmen", which I did not care for. But then "Sucker Punch" was an even worse movie, and one that he had complete control over it artistically. Still, as disappointing as Watchmen and Sucker Punch were, there was still stuff to admire in the films: Watchmen was uneven, though it had some good performances and killer visuals; Sucker Punch was a visual feast despite being an incomprehensible mess.
And then, of course, MOS ends up being his most controversial effort to date with fans praising and detractors hating. Very rare to see a movie get such polar, extremist views in each direction.
And it now sounds like the suits are beginning to turn on Snyder. This is NOT good publicity and does not bode well for the immediate future of either Cavill, or Superman. At least in movies.
When a movie gets this kind of bad publicity, it starts becoming a "Fantastic Four reboot" type issue, and that is never a good thing.
Superman went from having a sequel, to co-starring in a sequel, to getting a sequel again, to having his sequel shelved, and now becoming a guest star in what should've been his sequel.
It's going to be interesting to see it unfold.
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Post by atp on Sept 10, 2015 22:58:28 GMT -5
I wonder if Cavill will end up getting the Brandon Routh treatment.
I hope not. He definitely looks the part of Superman, and I don't think he is the weak link by any means.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 11, 2015 10:21:11 GMT -5
Wow. I thought some variation of these events might happen, but I didn't expect DC and/or WB to admit it or leak it so publicly. It sounds like Cavill is being specifically targeted. Back when they announced Affleck, I knew he was going to pull a Daniel Craig and surprise his doubters. Affleck's detractors seem to forget that Gigi, Jersey Girl, Sum of All Fears, and Daredevil were over 13 years ago and Affleck has a ton of experience behind him in the years since. He's transcended some of those notorious earlier roles and matured into an effective and likable actor and filmmaker. So if he lived up to his potential as Batman, I'm not surprised that the suits would want MORE of his Batman. What I didn't expect would be that they would want "LESS" of Cavill. This is a real slap to the face for Cavill. And to Snyder. I'm not sure Cavill could've done much better given the material he was given. I also wonder if the disappointing (but predictable) boxoffice results for "Man From UNCLE", which starred Cavill, have anything to do with this? As for Snyder, I was a huge fan of his at first, but have found it more and more difficult to defend his artistic choices in recent years. I really, really had fun and enjoyed "300" and his "Dawn of the Dead" remake. I gave him the benefit of the doubt with "Watchmen", which I did not care for. But then "Sucker Punch" was an even worse movie, and one that he had complete control over it artistically. Still, as disappointing as Watchmen and Sucker Punch were, there was still stuff to admire in the films: Watchmen was uneven, though it had some good performances and killer visuals; Sucker Punch was a visual feast despite being an incomprehensible mess. And then, of course, MOS ends up being his most controversial effort to date with fans praising and detractors hating. Very rare to see a movie get such polar, extremist views in each direction. And it now sounds like the suits are beginning to turn on Snyder. This is NOT good publicity and does not bode well for the immediate future of either Cavill, or Superman. At least in movies. When a movie gets this kind of bad publicity, it starts becoming a "Fantastic Four reboot" type issue, and that is never a good thing. Superman went from having a sequel, to co-starring in a sequel, to getting a sequel again, to having his sequel shelved, and now becoming a guest star in what should've been his sequel. It's going to be interesting to see it unfold. That press IS pretty bad. I don't think Cavill did a bad job with what he was given at all- I just think what he was given was lame at times (needing a kiss and a hug from Amy Adams while the city is in ruins isn't Superman to me, not being a whiny teen not wanting to do farming)- but Cavill I had no problems with. I have a hunch WB just has a lot of confidence in Batfleck's direction and passion- and wants to feel secure, by moving more and more into Batman territory and with a filmmaker that they can just hand things over to, rather than continuing to feel uncertain about what to do with Superman. I give them credit for handing everything over to Singer and letting him do what he wanted- but more and more it looks like WB needs a creative daddy figure for them like Kevin Feige seems to be for Marvel.
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Post by crown on Sept 11, 2015 12:53:42 GMT -5
I wonder if Cavill will end up getting the Brandon Routh treatment. I hope not. He definitely looks the part of Superman, and I don't think he is the weak link by any means. What is the Routh treatment? How is ol' BJ doing these days?
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Post by doomsday1 on Sept 12, 2015 6:59:20 GMT -5
It's a ridiculous rumor from a click bait website notorious for putting out wildly inaccurate stories so I wouldn't get too excited about it CAM.
It's almost certainly nonsense. . I'm not sure what the Routh treatment is, as far as I know he his big shot, but a lack of charisma and general personality has lead to a career or small roles. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Post by atp on Sept 12, 2015 8:01:46 GMT -5
Routh treatment means being robbed of a sequel, only to see a reboot with another actor.
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Post by crown on Sept 12, 2015 12:59:18 GMT -5
It was pretty sad that Bryan Singer called out Routh in public and blamed him for SR being crap.
Bryan Singer then crawled back to Fox, tail between his legs to do X-Men, while Routh got nothing.
I have way more respect for Routh than Bryan Singer.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 12, 2015 14:37:09 GMT -5
It's a ridiculous rumor from a click bait website notorious for putting out wildly inaccurate stories so I wouldn't get too excited about it CAM. It's almost certainly nonsense. . I'm not sure what the Routh treatment is, as far as I know he his big shot, but a lack of charisma and general personality has lead to a career or small roles. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Had different friends meet Routh at conventions, only good things to say about the guy. From what they've said, he seems pretty down to earth and sincere. On the flip side, friends who have watched "Dylan Dog" and a couple of other things have felt that his acting could use work overall. With Reeve- Reeve was a seasoned actor even if young already from the stage & whatnot.... so he really was 'sort of' ready to use it as a great opportunity/stepping stone. With Hugh Jackman- Jackman also came from the stage- but it's interesting that Jackman saw it as a great opportunity- but equally (if not moreso) a great character to keep playing, even when he wasn't contractually obligated to.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 12, 2015 23:47:18 GMT -5
Snyder confirmed Batman will get a little more screen time than expected so it's not just websites making stuff up for clickbait. Although Snyder's either spinning it or being honest. We shall see. I'm not really surprised. Even if Cavill and MOS were more praised it makes sense that batman would need a little more time to be reintroduced and distinguished from the Nolan version. But still since he's an already operating batman and this isn't an origin film there shouldn't be a huge difference in screen time.
But either way you look at it Supermans sequel got ursurped and became something else. Snyder's confirmed that too by saying he was considering bad guys like Metallo or Brainiac for the sequel. And it looks like no matter how you slice it Supermans solo adventures are being put on the back burner for a while. MOS was such a "hit" yet we don't have a sequel even announced but we do have Shazam and Cyborg movies announced and dated? Really. Cmon.
Cavill won't get Routh'd unless he screws up royally and I don't see that happening. But his character isn't who they are building this new universe around anymore even though it looked like he was supposed to be the center of it with MOS.
As for Snyder. He's been a gimmick director after Dawn of The Dead. Some movies were ok but can he make another really good film without his bag of tricks and cheap ways of showing emotion?
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