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Post by Metallo on Mar 30, 2016 16:54:21 GMT -5
Heh! It's the geek in me. I'll give it to Berlantis team they make it fun to be into it all. Doesn't feel like a chore. It's just nice to see people embrace the material and understand it. They've really opened up the possibilities with flash and legends of tomorrow and even Supergirl and Arrow. The shows might not hit a home run every time or be perfect but the potential and the ambition to go places a lot of creators in film and tv wont is admirable. Mark Hamill is the Trickster again! I just saw the black mercy on tv! Awesome. It's just awesome to be excited about some of this stuff instead of being disappointed.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 30, 2016 16:56:34 GMT -5
I love seeing that my 7-year old's favorite on the Flash is Gorilla Grodd and being able to share some of my silver age geek with him, thanks to Berlianti.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 30, 2016 17:36:20 GMT -5
Still can't believe they pulled that off.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 1, 2016 16:11:17 GMT -5
I think at times filmmakers and showrunners try too hard to make something 'realistic' with fantasy elements, rather than presenting the fantastic and having the audience catch up at times... Without feeling a need to over explain things. At least costumes now seem to be 'ok' now on superhero film and tv.....
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 1, 2016 16:11:45 GMT -5
I think at times filmmakers and showrunners try too hard to make something 'realistic' with fantasy elements, rather than presenting the fantastic and having the audience catch up at times... Without feeling a need to over explain things. At least costumes now seem to be 'ok' now on superhero film and tv.....
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Post by Metallo on Apr 1, 2016 19:10:42 GMT -5
As long as you set certain rules (and don't play fast and loose) and play the fantastic seriously almost anything can be accepted. We've seen movies and shows with absurd ideas become big hits. Guardians of the Galaxy has some RIDICULOUS sh** in it but it worked, people liked it, and it was a hit. I mean...a walking tree and talking racoon with with a gun flying around in a spaceship???
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 2, 2016 0:17:09 GMT -5
As long as you set certain rules (and don't play fast and loose) and play the fantastic seriously almost anything can be accepted. We've seen movies and shows with absurd ideas become big hits. Guardians of the Galaxy has some RIDICULOUS sh** in it but it worked, people liked it, and it was a hit. I mean...a walking tree and talking racoon with with a gun flying around in a spaceship??? What's amazing about Guardians is that in a way, it has it's cake and eats it too. On one hand, it wants to you take many aspects of that universe seriously (as does James Gunn it seems)- i.e. the Nova Corps- but at the same time, it wants to make fun of it.... and 99% of the time, it works!!! Imo, "Guardians" felt more like a true follow up in tone to the original Star Wars movie, than Star Wars 7!
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Post by Metallo on Apr 2, 2016 10:13:02 GMT -5
Guardians has that same feel of outlaws and rebels fighting the evil empire in a wild frontier like the original Star Wars did. Even the team comes off very much like the heroes of Star Wars You got that Han and Chewie relashionship with Rocket and Groot. Quill is very much a mix of Han and Luke. Thanos and Ronan mirrors Palpatine and Vader. Nebula is very Bobba Fett. The Milano= the Falcon. It's very Star Warsy but done well and in Marvels style. It's not exactly he same but lot of those same tropes and archetypes are there. Oh yeah...James Gunn handled Howard The Duck a lot better than Lucas did.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 2, 2016 12:37:51 GMT -5
To me it's also the confidence gunn had with some of the more bizarre or wacky elements (though some jokes I admit lands with a thud) - star lord using a n lien lizard for a microphone and the 'dance-off' as a final solution to defeat a villain.... While taking the universe seriously! I loved that!
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Post by Metallo on Apr 2, 2016 13:20:43 GMT -5
People complain about all the marvel movies being the same but you can feel that Troma honed style of Gunns all over GOTG. you're right he goes for some zany stuff nobody would think could work but he makes it work.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 2, 2016 13:23:09 GMT -5
Agreed. If only marvel allowed Edgar Wright to have the same freedom with Antman....
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Post by Metallo on Apr 2, 2016 14:01:00 GMT -5
I was thinking of him when I typed it. I think the difference is Wright and Marvel couldn't agree on certain story elements whereas Gunn was more willing to put in things Marvel wanted. I can't say Wright was wrong because he's a genius and he was development Antman before there even was an MCU. He didn't change his partners on it did.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 2, 2016 14:22:50 GMT -5
I liked a lot of Antman that resulted.... But I also thought there were a couple of overly sentimental scenes that made my skin crawl. Visually, there are some nice sequences, but otherwise it felt a bit TV movie like..... And my mind kept flashing to all the great visuals (albeit wacky) of Scott pilgrim vs the world.
Joss Wheaton also complained of creative restrictions--- but, when I'd heard it was over the 'family' sequences (which I hated, it wasn't the Hawkeye I grew up with), I think Marvel had good reason to object.
Hopefully one day Marvel will allow a documentary or at least a paperback with Wright's original Antman script and boards...
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Post by Metallo on Apr 2, 2016 20:45:06 GMT -5
I wonder how much of that was in Wrights script because he was the one that wanted to use Scott Lang as Antman.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 2, 2016 21:43:12 GMT -5
I think it was on Joss Whedon's commentary that the reason he didn't use Hank Pym as the creator of Ultron was because of the Antman project..... would have been interesting if Whedon wrote up a draft of Avengers where Pym was the creator. As is, I'm a little suprised that the Whedon script didn't carry more of an edge (there's almost none) to Tony Stark's being responsible for all of Ultron's mayhem. The bit where (in the trailer) Thor has his hand around TOny's neck was far more edgy (as left to the imagination) in the trailer than the actual film.
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Post by Metallo on Apr 3, 2016 16:02:12 GMT -5
I agree. My problem with AOU is Tony keeps on making these selfish choices and mistakes but really never learns or admits he was wrong. I'm hoping he will in Civil War but he should have admitted it at the end of age of Ultron.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 4, 2016 2:24:26 GMT -5
I agree. My problem with AOU is Tony keeps on making these selfish choices and mistakes but really never learns or admits he was wrong. I'm hoping he will in Civil War but he should have admitted it at the end of age of Ultron. The only real price that looks like got paid in that film was Quicksilver's life. I was hoping SOME character would have expressed a moment of real rage at what Tony had done in that film, and Tony feeling the real significance of it. Even just a touch. But, in spite of it, there's enough good for me to enjoy, but.... Supposedly each character was also supposed to confront their demons a la Scarlet Witch's visions, and there's a tiny bit of it- but I wish it cut a little deeper, even if Whedon had the unenviable task of juggling 'some, but not too much' change for all of the major characters. (Presumably to save them for their own solo films).
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Post by stargazer0118 on Apr 4, 2016 14:29:48 GMT -5
So also watched this episode, but the only thing I liked was the Kara and Barry interactions. It was great! Also her sacrifice at the end was nice, but she seemed too weak in my opinion. She's Supergirl! I still HATE Jim Olsen in this show, it's horrible and I don't like him as a romantic partner for Kara. They have no chemistry.
There is a reason why I don't watch this show, it's too cheesy and dumbed down for me. Flash is so much better in every way. Still like the idea of a Supermanish show on TV. If CBS don't want to keep it, they should send it to the CW and make it a bit more serious like Flash, IMO. I understand CBS owns the CW any way..
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Post by Metallo on Apr 4, 2016 15:04:32 GMT -5
The funny thing is I do think CW would produce a slightly more serious show despite being the "young relationship drama" network because CBS is going for a bigger audience. They want to go for some lowest common denominators.
Supergirls got its flaws but I'll take a little too cheesy over overly dour because either way you cut it you're dealing with people in capes and long underwear. They're superheroes. I think it's good to give fans a choice. There should be an element of fun. I think Supergirl is unashamed of these characters and their source material. The show has had its more serious moments. When Alex killed Karas aunt and he took the fall I thought it was very interesting and selfless. I love what they're doing with J'onn J'onzz. He SHOULD be in the Justice league movie. He's a founding member. But I could only imagine how Snyder would strip away the characters pained nobility to make something "kewl."
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 4, 2016 16:25:47 GMT -5
The funny thing is I do think CW would produce a slightly more serious show despite being the "young relationship drama" network because CBS is going for a bigger audience. They want to go for some lowest common denominators. Supergirls got its flaws but I'll take a little too cheesy over overly dour because either way you cut it you're dealing with people in capes and long underwear. They're superheroes. I think it's good to give fans a choice. There should be an element of fun. I think Supergirl is unashamed of these characters and their source material. The show has had its more serious moments. When Alex killed Karas aunt and he took the fall I thought it was very interesting and selfless. I love what they're doing with J'onn J'onzz. He SHOULD be in the Justice league movie. He's a founding member. But I could only imagine how Snyder would strip away the characters pained nobility to make something "kewl." The perfect showrunner for Supergirl? JOSS WHEDON! " Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the tv show) had horror, social commentary, and all the comic booky things that were fun- but a smart show, too. It got all the (justified imo) critical praise because it had the tragedy (Buffy never fell for a guy where it didn't turn out tragic) and yet be fun and have substance in its run and do some pushing of the borders creatively. ("Hush" where not one word of dialogue got spoken was nominated for its script at the Emmys) Unfortunately, unlikely Whedon would go back to tv......
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