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Post by atp on May 22, 2016 14:30:35 GMT -5
What might he be doing now? Would he possibly have joined Stallone and co. In The Expendables series?
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Post by crown on May 22, 2016 16:01:42 GMT -5
He would have reprised Superman in Superman Lives in the late 90's.
It's weird to think that if he just hadn't gotten on that danged horse during that fateful day in May 1995 he'd still be alive today.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 22, 2016 22:27:29 GMT -5
What might he be doing now? Would he possibly have joined Stallone and co. In The Expendables series? It's hard to say--- Different sources from the interviews from those he knew say that he gained a lot of self-awareness and knowledge after the accident forced him to change every priority in the world overnight. If the accident hadn't happened, there's enough in his autobiographies to suggest he was someone who was pretty driven and ambitious - (enough to get him frustrated at times, but who doesn't get frustrated?)-- he would have pursued SOMETHING. He already was getting interesting in directing, from his Superman IV 2nd unit work, though the critical bashing might have made him more gunshy about directing. Still... Would he have remained in film? Would he have gone back to the theatre? (A rough guess might be 'yes' if that's where he fell in love with acting.) If he ended up marrying the woman who did become his wife, sadly- (from what it seems) he would be dealing with her lung cancer, and be a widow. It's really impossible to know-- but he did deal openly with what was going on inside through his memoirs- and at the very least, since death (and maybe old age and failing health to different degrees) we'll all be confronting at some point- at least we got that additional gift of what facing the worst can be like from Reeve. Hero in another way.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 27, 2016 11:38:27 GMT -5
I think he'd be working as a character/supporting actor in bigger movies and starring in smaller stuff. His career seemed to be heading that way before the accident. But who knows. Maybe he would have gotten a role onntv or film that would have rejuvenated his career. It's happened before and actors have had a sort of second act in their careers. I never could have pictured Bryan Cranston doing breaking bad and it being a huge sucess back when he was on Malcolm in The Middle.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 27, 2016 19:55:37 GMT -5
I think he'd be working as a character/supporting actor in bigger movies and starring in smaller stuff. His career seemed to be heading that way before the accident. But who knows. Maybe he would have gotten a role onntv or film that would have rejuvenated his career. It's happened before and actors have had a sort of second act in their careers. I never could have pictured Bryan Cranston doing breaking bad and it being a huge sucess back when he was on Malcolm in The Middle. Hollywood careers are certainly weird... and fragile. Cranston's "Breaking Bad" certainly is his masterpiece- actingwise. (Though he is hilarious on Malcolm) He's getting some leads here and there, but as age sets in, he's definitely probably thinking the acting career is on thin ice. That gal on "Battlestar Galactica"- who played Starbuck- got a lot of attention on that show, but once she took a supporting role on "Longmire", she's kind of disappeared. Reeve was ambitious enough to keep going on something- but in his memoirs, he certainly didn't seem happy to go from being asked to be in big projects from big directors to having to go back to auditioning for them. The accident forced him to look at a lot of heavier things than Hollywood. The impressive thing is how he made great strides and fought for things even in a physical condition that most wouldn't want to think about. But- back to the topic- he seemed to be interested in directing, it would have been interesting to see where that would have gone. Also.... definitely, he would be the man for Jorel, and would have been fascinating to see his take on it. (Would Singer have chosen Reeve to play Jorel for Superman Returns? Boggles the mind...)
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Post by Metallo on Aug 27, 2016 21:09:53 GMT -5
I know he didn't like having to audition the way he did for Pretty Woman. I don't know if it was the process or just the way they did it for that particular audition. I think he had to read with a script girl or something like that.
That interview I posted with Charlie Rose is from around that period and it's very telling concerning his attitude and his opinions on the entertainment industry and acting in films.
I'm a fan of Katee Sackhoff but yeah even though she works steadily she never did go on to bigger and better things. I think it's a lot of things. She wasn't THE star of that show the way say...Lucy Lawless was on Xena and she's not getting any younger either. Her time to make a bigger career has come and gone.
Cranston had lots of opportunities after Breaking Bad but I think he's missing his window as certain things haven't worked out.
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Post by crown on Aug 27, 2016 21:37:53 GMT -5
I wish Reeve had been around to see the Donner cut and to get his take on it.
Reeve considered SII: TAC to be the best of the series and wished Donner had been given credit.
I think most people believe that Reeve really could have and should have dug his heels in and insisted that Donner come back; but he was a young kid looking out for number one so it's not surprising he just went along with everything for the sake of his career.
Donner never blamed him.. Reeve had his big shot and he ran with it (into the ground with SIV it turned out) like anyone else would have.
I wonder if he would have thought the Donner cut was superior to SII: TAC?
Also I'd KNOW Singer would have been cast Reeve in SR... but barring his 1995 injury, I think Reeve would have starred as Superman one last time in the late 90's and SR would have never happened.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 28, 2016 2:10:28 GMT -5
I know he didn't like having to audition the way he did for Pretty Woman. I don't know if it was the process or just the way they did it for that particular audition. I think he had to read with a script girl or something like that. That interview I posted with Charlie Rose is from around that period and it's very telling concerning his attitude and his opinions on the entertainment industry and acting in films. I'm a fan of Katee Sackhoff but yeah even though she works steadily she never did go on to bigger and better things. I think it's a lot of things. She wasn't THE star of that show the way say...Lucy Lawless was on Xena and she's not getting any younger either. Her time to make a bigger career has come and gone. Cranston had lots of opportunities after Breaking Bad but I think he's missing his window as certain things haven't worked out. It seems the only big moneymaker right now is Marvel superheroes (not that that's necessarily a bad thing...). For other big features, I think it's still the idea of a 20sh-30sh lead actor to get a studio behind it- so I think Cranston will always get work, but as lead, I dunno...
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 28, 2016 2:15:23 GMT -5
I wish Reeve had been around to see the Donner cut and to get his take on it. Reeve considered SII: TAC to be the best of the series and wished Donner had been given credit. I think most people believe that Reeve really could have and should have dug his heels in and insisted that Donner come back; but he was a young kid looking out for number one so it's not surprising he just went along with everything for the sake of his career. Donner never blamed him.. Reeve had his big shot and he ran with it (into the ground with SIV it turned out) like anyone else would have. I wonder if he would have thought the Donner cut was superior to SII: TAC? Also I'd KNOW Singer would have been cast Reeve in SR... but barring his 1995 injury, I think Reeve would have starred as Superman one last time in the late 90's and SR would have never happened. Right.... even though Reeve could have made a stand for Donner, I agree that he was starting out and didn't want to rock the boat with people who signed his paychecks. I just finished watching the Cannon documentary and it's interesting to think what might have happened if Superman IV had gotten the $30 million it was originally budgeted for- would it have been a moderate hit and given Reeve the career bump he was hoping for? Would it have given one more chance for one more sequel with Reeve? Hard to know...
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Post by crown on Aug 28, 2016 2:55:19 GMT -5
I wish Reeve had been around to see the Donner cut and to get his take on it. Reeve considered SII: TAC to be the best of the series and wished Donner had been given credit. I think most people believe that Reeve really could have and should have dug his heels in and insisted that Donner come back; but he was a young kid looking out for number one so it's not surprising he just went along with everything for the sake of his career. Donner never blamed him.. Reeve had his big shot and he ran with it (into the ground with SIV it turned out) like anyone else would have. I wonder if he would have thought the Donner cut was superior to SII: TAC? Also I'd KNOW Singer would have been cast Reeve in SR... but barring his 1995 injury, I think Reeve would have starred as Superman one last time in the late 90's and SR would have never happened. Right.... even though Reeve could have made a stand for Donner, I agree that he was starting out and didn't want to rock the boat with people who signed his paychecks. I just finished watching the Cannon documentary and it's interesting to think what might have happened if Superman IV had gotten the $30 million it was originally budgeted for- would it have been a moderate hit and given Reeve the career bump he was hoping for? Would it have given one more chance for one more sequel with Reeve? Hard to know... If SIV had been a hit Reeve wouldn't have needed to make another Superman... sorta ike George Reeves he was tired of Superman and wanted to do there roles. Because it was a flop.. he would have been forced to make a SV to boost his career the way SIV failed to... as late as the early 90's Reeve was happy that the Salkinda reacquired the rights to do Superman and was thinking about doing a Superman V.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 28, 2016 22:55:23 GMT -5
Right.... even though Reeve could have made a stand for Donner, I agree that he was starting out and didn't want to rock the boat with people who signed his paychecks. I just finished watching the Cannon documentary and it's interesting to think what might have happened if Superman IV had gotten the $30 million it was originally budgeted for- would it have been a moderate hit and given Reeve the career bump he was hoping for? Would it have given one more chance for one more sequel with Reeve? Hard to know... If SIV had been a hit Reeve wouldn't have needed to make another Superman... sorta ike George Reeves he was tired of Superman and wanted to do there roles. Because it was a flop.. he would have been forced to make a SV to boost his career the way SIV failed to... as late as the early 90's Reeve was happy that the Salkinda reacquired the rights to do Superman and was thinking about doing a Superman V. Right. Forgot about that, read that before. Wonder what the numbers were back and forth in selling those rights, then reacquiring them after SIV? Interesting....
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Post by crown on Aug 29, 2016 23:45:10 GMT -5
If SIV had been a hit Reeve wouldn't have needed to make another Superman... sorta ike George Reeves he was tired of Superman and wanted to do there roles. Because it was a flop.. he would have been forced to make a SV to boost his career the way SIV failed to... as late as the early 90's Reeve was happy that the Salkinda reacquired the rights to do Superman and was thinking about doing a Superman V. Right. Forgot about that, read that before. Wonder what the numbers were back and forth in selling those rights, then reacquiring them after SIV? Interesting.... Yeah the Salkinds reacquired the Superman rights in the early 90's to do Superboy. Reeve was excited about this because the Salkinds (say what you want about them) would have made an actual movie. Reeve could have been Superman one last time in a final sequel potentially falling between Superman II and III in terms of quality. SIV was a huge blow career-wise and he needed a final Superman film to get him back on track. However, by 1995, he was just getting out of his Superman years and had finally put the possibility of a SV behind him ( not to say he wouldn't have been Superman one last time in the late 90's though)
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Post by dejan on Aug 30, 2016 12:14:42 GMT -5
One thing's for sure....if Reeve had not got injured and lived. He would have cameo'd in SR,MOS and DOJ Think of the possibilities.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 2, 2016 19:06:21 GMT -5
If he had never been hurt for all we know Singer would have used HIM for Superman Returns. The basic idea is vaguely similar to Kingdom Come so I wouldn't have counted out an older Superman. Reeve didn't have interest in doing Lois & Clark so i do wonder if he ever would have done anything superman related as guest star or cameo. I think back then it was too soon but ten or twenty years later he may have been down for it.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 3, 2016 0:46:00 GMT -5
If he had never been hurt for all we know Singer would have used HIM for Superman Returns. The basic idea is vaguely similar to Kingdom Come so I wouldn't have counted out an older Superman. Reeve didn't have interest in doing Lois & Clark so i do wonder if he ever would have done anything superman related as guest star or cameo. I think back then it was too soon but ten or twenty years later he may have been down for it. THAT would have been interesting.... but I don't know that the studio would have been keen on it.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 3, 2016 8:11:45 GMT -5
That's true. It would have by no means have been a guarentee but if the option had been there I think it would have been possible. They let Singer use an unknown in Routh. The problem with using Reeve would have been the problem so much of the movie already had. It didn't leave a lot of room for a continuing franchise. SR feels more like an ending of a series than a beginning. If I didn't know about Singer having ideas for a sequel I would have felt like it was an intentional one off for him and the studio.
Now that I think about that I do wonder that if SR had been a huge hit but a one off would WB have been willing to do a series of loosely connected movies with a new star and director like the Bond films or the DC animated original universe movies. I doubt it but it's an interesting idea. A new director and maybe even a new actor every film? Problem is you don't build much momentum or anticipation for the next film doing that.
And going off on another tangent Mad Max Fury Road executed what SR was trying to but better. Having Miller do it himself made a huge difference. Wonder what Donner could have done with SR and the exact same cast?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 3, 2016 11:00:28 GMT -5
That's true. It would have by no means have been a guarentee but if the option had been there I think it would have been possible. They let Singer use an unknown in Routh. The problem with using Reeve would have been the problem so much of the movie already had. It didn't leave a lot of room for a continuing franchise. SR feels more like an ending of a series than a beginning. If I didn't know about Singer having ideas for a sequel I would have felt like it was an intentional one off for him and the studio. Now that I think about that I do wonder that if SR had been a huge hit but a one off would WB have been willing to do a series of loosely connected movies with a new star and director like the Bond films or the DC animated original universe movies. I doubt it but it's an interesting idea. A new director and maybe even a new actor every film? Problem is you don't build much momentum or anticipation for the next film doing that. And going off on another tangent Mad Max Fury Road executed what SR was trying to but better. Having Miller do it himself made a huge difference. Wonder what Donner could have done with SR and the exact same cast? I think I would have felt MUCH better about SR if it really WAS designed as the ending of that series (and maybe a few touches to wrap it up properly if so). Not thrilled with the idea of a new director/actor every film--- reason being, that there's SO MUCH great material to adapt in the longer running comics, that just doing 'one-offs' don't hold as much interest to me, if you have to take the time to readjust in a new actor as this/that character.... Fury Road and SR are interesting comparisons. I thought SR had the MUCH tougher job, though- making an optimistic hero 'relatable' now - and particularly trying to connect it with movies decades old was unique, and I never thought Singer ever got proper credit for the size of that challenge. Even though I was rooting for Singer, I honestly was nervous about the film still working until the first few minutes with Clark and his mom, then I felt it in good hands. As far as: What would Donner do/have done? (aka 'wwdd'? ) Hard to say. I thought '16 Blocks' was only 'meh'- and (if they were his choices) the choices on the RDC make me question his current perspective. Still.... back to the question- Donner I think still would put the emphasis on the romance at the core of the picture, but maybe he would tackle something more visual this time around by including Brainiac? (I've always wondered that Donner would have done in tackling Brainiac or a Supergirl movie) The only real lack I felt with SR was the underwhelming action- which would have given a chance to see the 'powerful' aspect of Superman so that we would have gotten to see that as well as the 'Superman as Christ' analogy.
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 4, 2016 23:54:46 GMT -5
Superman ALWAYS...ALWAYS...came up in all the interviews I've ever seen, even going into the mid 90s.
I think he was under pressure to play Superman again and might've been persuaded to do so with the right script and money, kinda like how Harrison Ford was lured back to Star Wars even after wanting to move on.
Would've loved to have seen him in a role in a Tarantino movie.
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Post by crown on Sept 4, 2016 23:59:27 GMT -5
Superman ALWAYS...ALWAYS...came up in all the interviews I've ever seen, even going into the mid 90s. I think he was under pressure to play Superman again and might've been persuaded to do so with the right script and money, kinda like how Harrison Ford was lured back to Star Wars even after wanting to move on. Would've loved to have seen him in a role in a Tarantino movie. I heard Reeve begged Furie to kill Superman off in SIV because he was tired of the role. However, instead of a dramatic death for the character Furie put in that stupid ending with the moon fight and eclipse. I'm sure Reeve would have done one more installment when Superman confronts his son Jason, who has been corrupted by the teaching of General Zod, and is killed in a dramatic way.
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 5, 2016 7:46:15 GMT -5
"Don't do it, Jason! I have the high ground!"
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 5, 2016 10:44:05 GMT -5
Superman ALWAYS...ALWAYS...came up in all the interviews I've ever seen, even going into the mid 90s. I think he was under pressure to play Superman again and might've been persuaded to do so with the right script and money, kinda like how Harrison Ford was lured back to Star Wars even after wanting to move on. Would've loved to have seen him in a role in a Tarantino movie. I heard Reeve begged Furie to kill Superman off in SIV because he was tired of the role. However, instead of a dramatic death for the character Furie put in that stupid ending with the moon fight and eclipse. I'm sure Reeve would have done one more installment when Superman confronts his son Jason, who has been corrupted by the teaching of General Zod, and is killed in a dramatic way. An aside: the whole thing with a 'sped up aging' of Jason and having Supes fight him to the death for SR 2 never sat well with me. It may (or may not) have been what SR 2 would have done- but having a hero kill off his own kid for a mainstream summer tentpole I think is darker than even the Dark Knight. There's 'tearjerker' and just horrible. The more I think back about speculation on what SR 2 was planning to be the more it really feels like/ felt like they were going to have a lot of issues figuring it out. In seeing the rushed "Apocalypse", in retrospect, while I wished Singer would have dove into it asap after SR, I have to admit now that it could have felt just as rushed.... particularly if the script still had issues.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 5, 2016 12:30:52 GMT -5
Superman ALWAYS...ALWAYS...came up in all the interviews I've ever seen, even going into the mid 90s. I think he was under pressure to play Superman again and might've been persuaded to do so with the right script and money, kinda like how Harrison Ford was lured back to Star Wars even after wanting to move on. Would've loved to have seen him in a role in a Tarantino movie. If the Salkinds had kept the film rights he may have gone back. By the late 90s WB clearly wanted to go in a different direction though. I think the push to go back to Donners take again was in part because of all the tremendous good will Reeve built up for that version of the character after the accident. In a sense he revived it by getting in a situation where he couldn't be the one playing it. But it's true he was still asked about playing Superman again years after IV. Watched his Tales From The Crypt from 92 recently and even he was very concerned about how people would respond to him being put in certain situations because he felt so strongly about people associating him with Superman. Reeve knew the game so at some point he may have said yes. The key would be the right take and the right story. I don't think he would have been interested in doing the same old same old.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 5, 2016 12:32:33 GMT -5
"Don't do it, Jason! I have the high ground!" For a second I thought you were making a Tommy Jarvis/Friday the 13th part VI reference.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 5, 2016 12:39:57 GMT -5
I heard Reeve begged Furie to kill Superman off in SIV because he was tired of the role. However, instead of a dramatic death for the character Furie put in that stupid ending with the moon fight and eclipse. I'm sure Reeve would have done one more installment when Superman confronts his son Jason, who has been corrupted by the teaching of General Zod, and is killed in a dramatic way. An aside: the whole thing with a 'sped up aging' of Jason and having Supes fight him to the death for SR 2 never sat well with me. It may (or may not) have been what SR 2 would have done- but having a hero kill off his own kid for a mainstream summer tentpole I think is darker than even the Dark Knight. There's 'tearjerker' and just horrible. The more I think back about speculation on what SR 2 was planning to be the more it really feels like/ felt like they were going to have a lot of issues figuring it out. In seeing the rushed "Apocalypse", in retrospect, while I wished Singer would have dove into it asap after SR, I have to admit now that it could have felt just as rushed.... particularly if the script still had issues. I've often thought about what they could have done with Jason White. He was the one thing that made sure the status quo was changed for good. Characters just couldn't do certain things with Jason around so the characters and stories and situations would have been forced to progress. I thought of an idea that I off ripped off from X-men. Brainiac wants a teen or preteen Jason and wants to use him to become the ultimate being. Maybe he's artificially aged by Brainaic to be a suitable host or maybe he stays 13ish. he infects him with techno organic plague to begin the process. The only way to save him is to use Brainiacs Ships technology to send him to the 31s century to be that eras Superboy/superman.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 5, 2016 14:13:49 GMT -5
An aside: the whole thing with a 'sped up aging' of Jason and having Supes fight him to the death for SR 2 never sat well with me. It may (or may not) have been what SR 2 would have done- but having a hero kill off his own kid for a mainstream summer tentpole I think is darker than even the Dark Knight. There's 'tearjerker' and just horrible. The more I think back about speculation on what SR 2 was planning to be the more it really feels like/ felt like they were going to have a lot of issues figuring it out. In seeing the rushed "Apocalypse", in retrospect, while I wished Singer would have dove into it asap after SR, I have to admit now that it could have felt just as rushed.... particularly if the script still had issues. I've often thought about what they could have done with Jason White. He was the one thing that made sure the status quo was changed for good. Characters just couldn't do certain things with Jason around so the characters and stories and situations would have been forced to progress. I thought of an idea that I off ripped off from X-men. Brainiac wants a teen or preteen Jason and wants to use him to become the ultimate being. Maybe he's artificially aged by Brainaic to be a suitable host or maybe he stays 13ish. he infects him with techno organic plague to begin the process. The only way to save him is to use Brainiacs Ships technology to send him to the 31s century to be that eras Superboy/superman. I think I have a problem ANYWAYS with most movies where two actors play the same character at different stages of their life (Donner and Reeve bridged a big gap by having Reeve voice the younger Clark, though I know Jeff East didn't like that at all).... aging Jason I think would have been a tough thing for me to believe. In addition to that- killing him off could have worked, and I think I was fine at the time it was mentioned, but in hindsight- it feels like a REALLY heavy weight to stick onto a character. Richard White perhaps, but it's like killing off Newt in Alien 3. If the kid represented hope in a previous film, if you snuff the kid out, it's a betrayal of sorts for the goodwill of the previous film.
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