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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 7, 2016 23:55:00 GMT -5
I guess they are two different lists. What the heck. Take into account intensity, context, style, and cool factor
Top 10 Superhero battle/action sequences in movies: (off the top)
#1: Spiderman vs. Doc Ock atop the moving train (The first battle at the bank is also nice, though, too)
#2: X-men vs. Sentinels- The time flipping battle at the end of X-men: Days of Future Past - with past and future
#3: Civil War- the mega-superhero battle in the middle (though the Panther/Winter Soldier/Cap chase is nice, too...)
#4: The Dark Knight- there's actually a few truly great action bits in that flick- but my choice is the initial rescue/confrontation with the Batmobile and Joker's slaughter truck- to Batman's refusal to run over the joker.
#5: Superman vs. the Helicopter- it's the groundbreaker. Maybe I would have put this higher, but I've just seen this SO many times....
#6: Hypnotized Hawkeye vs. the Avengers & Helicarrier- all heck breaks lose, and it's awesome! (Moreso than the strangely tense-less battle in NY, would have been more intense if they'd have left Cap's rescue of the station wagon family scene in!)
#7: The Phantom Zone criminals vs. the Daily Planet Staff- up to Superman's appearance. Unfortunately, Lester takes over from there and it gets to absolute silliness 10 seconds later.
#8: Superman's recharge in the sun vs. a big rock. Pity that Singer didn't sign off on a new 'supervillain' to fight him during this to rachet up the tension, but oh well... the music and editing is pretty cool.... down to Superman's "Death" which I argue was FAR more powerful here than in BvS...
#9: Scott Pilgrim vs. Super-Vegan-man. Hilarious- but kinda cool!
#10: Captain America vs. all the pirates w/Black Widow at the front of Winter Soldier.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 8, 2016 0:09:53 GMT -5
Now this is a cool topic right now with all the choices out there. I'll stick to just fight sequences. No particular order.
Airport battle: Captain America CW
Iron man and iron legion vs Killian and Extemis soldiers: Iron Man 3
Avengers vs Chitauri: The Avengers
Hulk vs Hulkbuster: Avengers AOU
Deadpool vs Ajax: Deadpool
Capt. America vs Winter Soldier (either one): Captain America: TWS
X-Men vs Sentinels: X-Men DOFP
Antman vs Yellowjacket: Ant-Man
Batman vs Bane (either one): The Dark Knight Rises
Batman Warehouse fight: BVS
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 8, 2016 1:23:53 GMT -5
Now this is a cool topic right now with all the choices out there. I'll stick to just fight sequences. No particular order. Airport battle: Captain America CW Iron man and iron legion vs Killian and Extemis soldiers: Iron Man 3 Avengers vs Chitauri: The Avengers Hulk vs Hulkbuster: Avengers AOU Deadpool vs Ajax: Deadpool Capt. America vs Winter Soldier (either one): Captain America: TWS X-Men vs Sentinels: X-Men DOFP Antman vs Yellowjacket: Ant-Man Batman vs Bane (either one): The Dark Knight Rises Batman Warehouse fight: BVS Interesting choices! The Antman vs. Yellowjacket sequence was fun- but that movie will always have that nagging thought: "would this have been better with Edgar Wright directing this?" Hulk vs. Hulkbuster was pretty good- I kind of wish that the 'mano y mano' battles in the first Avengers movie were a bit longer and a touch more memorable... (Thor vs. Iron Man! Hulk vs. Thor!) ....but given how many things had to be taken care of in it, although each battle coulda/shoulda been a half hour long- it would have made the film just TOO long for general audiences. (I might have been fine with it) Batman vs. Bane- Suprises me. I think the rest of the film had so many issues surrounding it, I was pretty much checked out by the time Bane came around. The Batman Warehouse fight made me think that Snyder CAN direct kickarse action scenes when pushed to. There's NO Batman film that came close to this bit, imo.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 8, 2016 10:08:42 GMT -5
I tried to pick one fight from each movie to be diverse and give some other movies a shot. Hulk vs Thor and Iron man vs Thor were good but not the best. I hated leaving certain fights out (blade vs nomak, wolverine vs deathstrike, spiderman vs Ock) but I felt they'd been surpassed.
Then you've got stuff like the MOS and BVS fights which are huge and fx heavy but hollow on character moments and poorly thought out. Visually they're stunning but...I found myself rolling my eyes not caring.
Loved the Batman warehouse fight but I had the same problems I had with Watchmen: human characters doing unbelievable superhuman things.
I enjoyed Antman vs Yellowjacket for being some thing different. It was formulaic on some ways but the size shifting really added another dimension. Fighting in a briefcase falling from a plane...unique.
Hulk vs Hulkbuster...just the scale of it. Again Marvel shows how they can take some familiar elements (we've seen guys go through buildings) and do something different (armor launched form an orbiting weapons platform!!!).
Avengers vs Ultron drones was more of what we've already seen before. DOFP and The Agengers did the whole "team of heroes fights mindless faceless horde" thing better.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 8, 2016 15:27:49 GMT -5
I tried to pick one fight from each movie to be diverse and give some other movies a shot. Hulk vs Thor and Iron man vs Thor were good but not the best. I hated leaving certain fights out (blade vs nomak, wolverine vs deathstrike, spiderman vs Ock) but I felt they'd been surpassed. Then you've got stuff like the MOS and BVS fights which are huge and fx heavy but hollow on character moments and poorly thought out. Visually they're stunning but...I found myself rolling my eyes not caring. Loved the Batman warehouse fight but I had the same problems I had with Watchmen: human characters doing unbelievable superhuman things. I enjoyed Antman vs Yellowjacket for being some thing different. It was formulaic on some ways but the size shifting really added another dimension. Fighting in a briefcase falling from a plane...unique. Hulk vs Hulkbuster...just the scale of it. Again Marvel shows how they can take some familiar elements (we've seen guys go through buildings) and do something different (armor launched form an orbiting weapons platform!!!). Avengers vs Ultron drones was more of what we've already seen before. DOFP and The Agengers did the whole "team of heroes fights mindless faceless horde" thing better. In Watchmen, I totally agree- making the action look cool was 180 degrees from what the concept was supposed to be. With Batman, though, I want style and high adrenaline action. The practical stuff (most of the time) hand to hand actually kind of sucks- it's TOO slow, when Batman should be as fast as Bruce Lee (and then some), if he's trained as soon as he was able to. Avengers vs. Ultron drones was okay because of all the other story elements around it..... but that movie underwhelmed imo because the trailer hinted that it was going to be Avengers versus (basically) Terminators, and got everybody excited.... but it wasn't nearly that dark (but should have been imo) and the terror level wasn't nearly as impactful as the idea of the government getting ready to nuke NY as in Avengers 1. While I still enjoy a lot of it- that played into it, but I'd have to say that it's interesting that there seem to be a number of storyboards from both of those movies that circulate that show there was a GREAT gameplan involved for many of those sequences, so it's a little bit of a headscratcher that stuff in the 80's (particulary from James Cameron) that seems far superior, even though the special effects tech was far inferior at that time.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 8, 2016 17:23:31 GMT -5
That's what DOFP gave us: a terminator-esque future. That's why I think the Sentinels were far more formidable and deadly than the Ultron drones. Even if Ultrons drones didn't kill they still got smashed to scrap relatively easily. One Sentinel was virtually unstoppable. When those drop ships arrived near the end and that music kicked in you should have seen the look o my face.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 8, 2016 17:57:02 GMT -5
That's what DOFP gave us: a terminator-esque future. That's why I think the Sentinels were far more formidable and deadly than the Ultron drones. Even if Ultrons drones didn't kill they still got smashed to scrap relatively easily. One Sentinel was virtually unstoppable. When those drop ships arrived near the end and that music kicked in you should have seen the look o my face. In addition, I think- was/is the problem with the fear of almost any summer movie that isn't moving fast fast fast. In watching "The Dark Knight", one thing that I loved about the editing with the Joker is that the movie let him have silent moments where you didn't know WHAT the heck the Joker was thinking. If Ultron were more developed as truly half man and half machine- then it might have been more effective to tone down the quips (even though many were funny and Whedon's trademark) and heighten some of the ambiguity. As an example, in the trailer, Thor grabs Tony by the throat and it's amazing, as you wonder what would make Thor lose control. All it would have taken is ONE beat of a closeup where you don't know if Thor is going to kill Tony or not, and let that second of ambiguity come in. Instead, Cap calms him down in half a second and the kids all feel safe with Thor because of that edit and it doesn't linger. (I might have let ALL the Avengers have a half a second to let Thor truly scare the crap out of Tony) Ultron is always pretty easy to figure out- but I think if the audience had to figure it out, it would have steered more into Terminator/scary robot territory rather than Ultron talking nonstop.
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Post by EnriqueH on Aug 9, 2016 15:27:57 GMT -5
I really thought the Iron Man vs Captain America/Winter Soldier is the crowning achievement of superhero fight scenes.
Not sure anything else comes close.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 9, 2016 17:05:22 GMT -5
I hated leaving that one off. It put the Batman vs Superman fight to shame. It had the same idea of the heroes being manipulated by a villian to fight but unlike BvS Stark not only knew but didn't care. He wanted Bucky dead anyway even if he wasn't being forced or tricked the way Batman and Superman were and Cap was gonna protect his friend. Superman and Batman meanwhile came off like dumb@sses.
It was well thought out well shot and well executed.
It gets an honorable mention though because I just couldn't leave off the airport battle. Never thought I'd see something like that. Just getting Spiderman to use took moving some corporate and legal mountains.
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Post by EnriqueH on Aug 9, 2016 23:27:28 GMT -5
I also enjoyed that inter-dimensional fight in the 2nd Thor movie.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 10, 2016 2:51:56 GMT -5
I hated leaving that one off. It put the Batman vs Superman fight to shame. It had the same idea of the heroes being manipulated by a villian to fight but unlike BvS Stark not only knew but didn't care. He wanted Bucky dead anyway even if he wasn't being forced or tricked the way Batman and Superman were and Cap was gonna protect his friend. Superman and Batman meanwhile came off like dumb@sses. It was well thought out well shot and well executed. It gets an honorable mention though because I just couldn't leave off the airport battle. Never thought I'd see something like that. Just getting Spiderman to use took moving some corporate and legal mountains. Most of the Rousso action sequences are pretty great- one favorite I left out was the elevator battle in Cap: Winter Soldier. Who knew you could get so much juice out of one elevator set and many extras? Sadly, NONE of the Captain America action scenes in "First Avenger" seem all that memorable, but (except for a disappointing Red Skull) it was aces in all the other spots, I thought.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 10, 2016 2:54:14 GMT -5
I also enjoyed that inter-dimensional fight in the 2nd Thor movie. I thought (like many elements of Thor 2) the idea was nice, but didn't 'wow' as much as I thought it could have. Thor 2 seemed REALLY content on being a 'meh' romantic comedy/actioner, with little weight. (Here's hoping Dr. Strange does NOT go that route.)
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Post by dejan on Aug 11, 2016 6:10:43 GMT -5
hey What about Evil Supes vs Clark from SIII Given that this is now 33 years old and counting it still packs a wallop with a rousing climax(Good Supes ripping his shirt open). Back in 1983(aged 9) I thought this scene was almost scary in it's brutality with regards to Clark getting crushed in the compactor,the car magnet slamming on his head and then Evil Supes trying to grind him in the scrap machine. Reeve played this so superbly it really felt like 2 different actors reciting the roles. Also the optical composite shot of Clark initially separating from evil Supes(at the beginning of the fight) is incredibly well done. Regarding a general list and in no particular order.....it is all subjective anyway. Spiderman vs Goblin in times Square+ rescue of MJ. Batman vs Ras Al Gul on the train Iron Man vs Stane. Hulk vs Abomination Batman vs Joker at party +saving Rachel Bane vs Batman #1(always good to see the hero getting thrashed) Batman vs Police officer henchman in 1989 Spiderman vs Ock Harry vs Parker in apartment. Special shout to Rocky vs Clark in SII Seeing depowered Supes take a beating for the first time in 1981 was incredibly dramatic! Lots of others i cant remember right now lol
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Post by dejan on Aug 11, 2016 6:14:28 GMT -5
I hated leaving that one off. It put the Batman vs Superman fight to shame. It had the same idea of the heroes being manipulated by a villian to fight but unlike BvS Stark not only knew but didn't care. He wanted Bucky dead anyway even if he wasn't being forced or tricked the way Batman and Superman were and Cap was gonna protect his friend. Superman and Batman meanwhile came off like dumb@sses. It was well thought out well shot and well executed. It gets an honorable mention though because I just couldn't leave off the airport battle. Never thought I'd see something like that. Just getting Spiderman to use took moving some corporate and legal mountains. Most of the Rousso action sequences are pretty great- one favorite I left out was the elevator battle in Cap: Winter Soldier. Who knew you could get so much juice out of one elevator set and many extras? Sadly, NONE of the Captain America action scenes in "First Avenger" seem all that memorable, but (except for a disappointing Red Skull) it was aces in all the other spots, I thought. The Russos seem to have got it down to almost a dance like choreography regarding their fights. IMHO I never feel much threat with them though......but they are entertaining. Great match between Cap and Bucky for the first fight in the streets.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 27, 2016 22:05:35 GMT -5
I think it's because the sequences are so complex. Their fight scenes are usually more than just a simple brawl.
When I think about the blade movies they really were ahead of their time as far as fight scenes in comic book movies go but I really think the stuff in Spider-man 2 first set the standard for the modern/21st century superhero movie.
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