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Post by crown on Aug 25, 2016 22:14:26 GMT -5
What trimmed Lester scenes in the Donner Cut do you feel most contributed to the film feeing choppy?
For me, it's the near total elimination of the first hotel room scene... it's truncated to last for just 20 seconds.
Essentially, by then time Lex in in the fortress of solitude, we've just had a single full Clark and Lois scene.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 25, 2016 23:01:49 GMT -5
What trimmed Lester scenes in the Donner Cut do you feel most contributed to the film feeing choppy? For me, it's the near total elimination of the first hotel room scene... it's truncated to last for just 20 seconds. Essentially, by then time Lex in in the fortress of solitude, we've just had a single full Clark and Lois scene. I agree. Two sides of the story get truncated to death: The Lois/Clark romance and the Villains' approach. It might have been better to completely remove some of these scenes rather than have it exist for only a few seconds and throw the rhythym of the film off. Again... the IRC may be the best professional (though unoffically) Donner cut.
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Post by supermanrecut on Sept 19, 2016 0:29:41 GMT -5
For me, it was just so jarring to go from Lois tricking Clark into revealing his identity by pretending to SHOOT him while CK sits down in total embaressment & shame to....
Next scene, there both flying to the north pole while all looking like there in love with the romantic J Williams music.
So Clark REWARDS Lois by essentially saying "F it, might as well take her to my secret place for a special dinner while revealing EVERYTHING else."
So NOT having the exchange that happens between them after the pink bear- "Im in love with you"/"We better talk" is a HUGE hole in two, even though Donner says they only used Lester scenes where they absolutely had to so there WOULDNT be holes in two. Well to me, this was one of the BIGGEST holes of them all.
Without it, the story is still incomplete.
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Post by crown on Sept 19, 2016 1:10:30 GMT -5
For me, it was just so jarring to go from Lois tricking Clark into revealing his identity by pretending to SHOOT him while CK sits down in total embaressment & shame to.... Next scene, there both flying to the north pole while all looking like there in love with the romantic J Williams music. So Clark REWARDS Lois by essentially saying "F it, might as well take her to my secret place for a special dinner while revealing EVERYTHING else." So NOT having the exchange that happens between them after the pink bear- "Im in love with you"/"We better talk" is a HUGE hole in two, even though Donner says they only used Lester scenes where they absolutely had to so there WOULDNT be holes in two. Well to me, this was one of the BIGGEST holes of them all. Without it, the story is still incomplete. In your fan cut, are you just going to cut straight from the screen-test to Lester's scene "we better talk" ? It might be a little jarring, but...
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Post by supermanrecut on Sept 19, 2016 1:16:50 GMT -5
GREAT QUESTION!
The solution will be this- right after the blank bullets scene, it will cut to another scene, say the Lex & Ms. Testmacher balloon ride, than it will cut back to Niagara, & if possible at night, to show that some time has passed, say a couple of hours. It would be the second half of the hotel scene after the bear trip, which would explain why they are now in different clothes & in a different part of there hotel suite.
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Post by crown on Sept 19, 2016 1:19:38 GMT -5
That sounds like a good solution... I'd like to see how it plays.
A lot of people just use the "we better talk" dialogue over the shot of them flying to the FOS.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 19, 2016 1:31:20 GMT -5
For me, it was just so jarring to go from Lois tricking Clark into revealing his identity by pretending to SHOOT him while CK sits down in total embaressment & shame to.... Next scene, there both flying to the north pole while all looking like there in love with the romantic J Williams music. So Clark REWARDS Lois by essentially saying "F it, might as well take her to my secret place for a special dinner while revealing EVERYTHING else." So NOT having the exchange that happens between them after the pink bear- "Im in love with you"/"We better talk" is a HUGE hole in two, even though Donner says they only used Lester scenes where they absolutely had to so there WOULDNT be holes in two. Well to me, this was one of the BIGGEST holes of them all. Without it, the story is still incomplete. The Mank/Donner script initially has it cut right to Lois setting up a kitchen at the Fortress of Solitude- and into a 'first' kiss (since the STM one didn't count due to time reversal and Lois was unconscious). I noticed how it 'cheats' how they got to the FOS (hence, avoiding how to explain how the car got there in the first place). The love story still plays out, but so much differently under Donner. There wasn't supposed to the be the 'flight to FOS' but I imagine Thau felt he had no other way to transition it with the lack of Donner footage.
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Post by crown on Sept 19, 2016 1:39:25 GMT -5
For me, it was just so jarring to go from Lois tricking Clark into revealing his identity by pretending to SHOOT him while CK sits down in total embaressment & shame to.... Next scene, there both flying to the north pole while all looking like there in love with the romantic J Williams music. So Clark REWARDS Lois by essentially saying "F it, might as well take her to my secret place for a special dinner while revealing EVERYTHING else." So NOT having the exchange that happens between them after the pink bear- "Im in love with you"/"We better talk" is a HUGE hole in two, even though Donner says they only used Lester scenes where they absolutely had to so there WOULDNT be holes in two. Well to me, this was one of the BIGGEST holes of them all. Without it, the story is still incomplete. The Mank/Donner script initially has it cut right to Lois setting up a kitchen at the Fortress of Solitude- and into a 'first' kiss (since the STM one didn't count due to time reversal and Lois was unconscious). I noticed how it 'cheats' how they got to the FOS (hence, avoiding how to explain how the car got there in the first place). The love story still plays out, but so much differently under Donner. There wasn't supposed to the be the 'flight to FOS' but I imagine Thau felt he had no other way to transition it with the lack of Donner footage. Yeah even though Superman cinema told us time and time and time again that the FOS scenes were all shot. Oh.. and Lois wasn't unconscious for the kiss... she was DEAD. Yes, Superman kissed a corpse!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 19, 2016 2:27:38 GMT -5
The Mank/Donner script initially has it cut right to Lois setting up a kitchen at the Fortress of Solitude- and into a 'first' kiss (since the STM one didn't count due to time reversal and Lois was unconscious). I noticed how it 'cheats' how they got to the FOS (hence, avoiding how to explain how the car got there in the first place). The love story still plays out, but so much differently under Donner. There wasn't supposed to the be the 'flight to FOS' but I imagine Thau felt he had no other way to transition it with the lack of Donner footage. Yeah even though Superman cinema told us time and time and time again that the FOS scenes were all shot. Oh.. and Lois wasn't unconscious for the kiss... she was DEAD. Yes, Superman kissed a corpse! Such a pity that they weren't shot .... but if I'm irritated at Thau, it's mostly that he seemed to cut a lot of great Donner stuff the second time around! (As if it wasn't bad enough that Lester cut Donner footage in the first place) And, you're right. Lois was dead. Bad Superman.
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Post by crown on Sept 19, 2016 3:04:00 GMT -5
Did Superman basically sexually assault Lois?
He kissed her after she died so it was without her permission........
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 19, 2016 22:25:18 GMT -5
Did Superman basically sexually assault Lois? He kissed her after she died so it was without her permission........ A kiss is a far cry from assault- Plus- the kiss never happened. Time reversal.
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Post by crown on Sept 19, 2016 22:57:34 GMT -5
Did Superman basically sexually assault Lois? He kissed her after she died so it was without her permission........ A kiss is a far cry from assault- Plus- the kiss never happened. Time reversal. Just because he went back in time doesn't mean it didn't "happen." It DID happen and then Superman simply went back in time to before it happened and changed history.. but it still technically happened in the original timeline.
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