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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 16, 2017 12:08:36 GMT -5
I wonder... It doesn't look like Marvel Studios is going anywhere, particularly with it being (what looks like) a permanent fixture at Disneyland as well.
It is just a bit sad. WB has access to just as many (if not more) characters to draw from to make billions and billions, but outside of making deals with Lego, there's so many more misses (or non-starters) than hits with their superhero properties that I wonder if other studios constantly bug them to sell off their characters so that THEY can be the next Marvel Studios.
Anyhow-
On the plus side, from WB we did get the definitive Nolan Batmans (well, two of them), an interesting Burton set of Batman movies- but, of course, the big daddy (though not directly from WB from the Salkinds) the Donner Superman films. (And my own fondness for SR)
Suicide Squad, MOS, BvS.... made money, but... unless JLA and WW are megahits, and with Flash constantly changing directors (why?), and Batfleck looking for a Batescape from his contract.....
If I were an investor in WB, I'd probably be asking who's driving the bus- and/or why it's not close to Marvel Studios in getting its act together.
So.... will things just keep going as is until the universe dies, or will something positive and big happen to change things up at WB? From the Reeve Superman movies, we had nothing until the Burton Batman movies, and then from there..... the fiasco with the Superman Lives movies.... and nothing until Singer's Superman and Nolan's Superman. That's a heck of a lot of time in development heck.
With everything and the kitchen sink SEEMING to get a green light- I just wonder when/if there'll be a whole redo of the whole universe at the DCCU. Or a sale to Marvel. Sooner better than later, imo....
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Post by Metallo on Feb 16, 2017 15:02:31 GMT -5
LOL...well they've won't be selling to Disney/Marvel anytime soon but I get your point.
I think everything is riding on JL and to a lesser extent Wonder Woman. If JL does the same business or less as BVS and gets the same kind of reviews the WB brass are going to have to take a long hard look at themselves and the DCEU. It's their biggest guns, all their eggs in one basket. Whatever you want to call it. They could all be damaged at once.
WB never had the vision or the foresight to make these kinds of movies and make them good.
It wasn't anyone at Warner Bros who first saw the value of a Superman movie. It was Ilya Salkind.
It wasn't anyone at Warner Bros who first saw the value of a Batman movie. It was Michael Uslan.
The more WB got involvement with both those series the more they both went to sh!t. Coincidence? I think not. The one other non Superman DC movie of that era, Wes Cravens Swamp Thing, wasn't released by WB.
In the 90s Lois & Clark went out in pathetic fashion. Batman & Robin went down in neon flames. Steel was a joke. During the first comic book movie boom of the early 2000's it wasn't WB or DC characters that started those trends. It was SONY and FOX with the Marvel characters. Meanwhile WB was releasing rancid stinking garbage like Catwoman and Jonah Hex and misfires like Keanu's Constantine and Watchmen. Superman Returns underperformed and didn't deliver what many wanted. Green Lantern was an absolute f*ckin disaster that poisoned the cinematic well for that character for years.
Then the MCU took off and broke new ground and set a new standard. Only when WB saw dollar signs in their eyes did they get the lead out of their @sses. WB has been chasing trends for 15 plus years not setting them and thats a big symptom of how out of touch and incompetent they are with DC movies.
It's only when they step away and leave the creators alone that we get something good. Nolan's Batman, The Berlantiverse, the Arkham Games, etc. When they micromanage this stuff into the ground or try to lazily copy what worked before it's a disaster. Right now they're throwing sh!t at the wall to see what sticks and it just looks embarrassing. Like they don't have a clue which way to go.
If JL fails that's the beginning of the end of the Snyder experiment. They'll take a couple of years off and try again. That's not even factoring in if Ben Affleck stays or not. JL also has to be great for him to stick around. If he bails the death of the DCEU will only come faster.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 18, 2017 13:35:45 GMT -5
LOL...well they've won't be selling to Disney/Marvel anytime soon but I get your point. I think everything is riding on JL and to a lesser extent Wonder Woman. If JL does the same business or less as BVS and gets the same kind of reviews the WB brass are going to have to take a long hard look at themselves and the DCEU. It's their biggest guns, all their eggs in one basket. Whatever you want to call it. They could all be damaged at once. WB never had the vision or the foresight to make these kinds of movies and make them good. It wasn't anyone at Warner Bros who first saw the value of a Superman movie. It was Ilya Salkind. It wasn't anyone at Warner Bros who first saw the value of a Batman movie. It was Michael Uslan. The more WB got involvement with both those series the more they both went to sh!t. Coincidence? I think not. The one other non Superman DC movie of that era, Wes Cravens Swamp Thing, wasn't released by WB. In the 90s Lois & Clark went out in pathetic fashion. Batman & Robin went down in neon flames. Steel was a joke. During the first comic book movie boom of the early 2000's it wasn't WB or DC characters that started those trends. It was SONY and FOX with the Marvel characters. Meanwhile WB was releasing rancid stinking garbage like Catwoman and Jonah Hex and misfires like Keanu's Constantine and Watchmen. Superman Returns underperformed and didn't deliver what many wanted. Green Lantern was an absolute f*ckin disaster that poisoned the cinematic well for that character for years. Then the MCU took off and broke new ground and set a new standard. Only when WB saw dollar signs in their eyes did they get the lead out of their @sses. WB has been chasing trends for 15 plus years not setting them and thats a big symptom of how out of touch and incompetent they are with DC movies. It's only when they step away and leave the creators alone that we get something good. Nolan's Batman, The Berlantiverse, the Arkham Games, etc. When they micromanage this stuff into the ground or try to lazily copy what worked before it's a disaster. Right now they're throwing sh!t at the wall to see what sticks and it just looks embarrassing. Like they don't have a clue which way to go. If JL fails that's the beginning of the end of the Snyder experiment. They'll take a couple of years off and try again. That's not even factoring in if Ben Affleck stays or not. JL also has to be great for him to stick around. If he bails the death of the DCEU will only come faster. With Affleck's last movie tanking.... I do wonder if he'll be wooed to stick around in exchange for support for another film. The 'one for them, one for me' Superman IV plan. Unfortunately, we know how Superman IV turned out....
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Post by Metallo on Feb 18, 2017 21:20:09 GMT -5
I think your on to something. I think Affleck could be conviced to stick around. Especially if Justice League is a critical and commercial sucess. Big hits can change things. I'm convinced the biggest reason Mel Gibson is even considering directing Suicide Squad 2 is the old "one for them one for me" deal and wants to get a personal project fiananced by WB
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 20, 2017 13:30:20 GMT -5
I think your on to something. I think Affleck could be conviced to stick around. Especially if Justice League is a critical and commercial sucess. Big hits can change things. I'm convinced the biggest reason Mel Gibson is even considering directing Suicide Squad 2 is the old "one for them one for me" deal and wants to get a personal project fiananced by WB Suicide Squad just seems like such an odd property. I thought the movie had some interesting eye candy, but.... Put Mel on a reboot of Superman or Batman, I say.
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Post by Metallo on Feb 20, 2017 14:47:00 GMT -5
I'd give Gibson a smaller property and let him do just about whatever he wanted with it. Something like a vigilante or human target or Jonah Hex. I'd do the same with George Miller and something like Doom Patrol.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 20, 2017 17:44:39 GMT -5
I'd give Gibson a smaller property and let him do just about whatever he wanted with it. Something like a vigilante or human target or Jonah Hex. I'd do the same with George Miller and something like Doom Patrol. When Gibson is in the right mindset, he can create a masterpiece. I wouldn't want to waste his talents on Suicide Squad or a dc property that was 'meh'. On the other hand, if he did an adaptation of the Archie Goodwin/Walt Simonson "Manhunter" series.... I'd be fully behind it. I'm still curious what we'd have gotten with a George Miller JLA....
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Post by dugpa on May 21, 2017 23:05:08 GMT -5
AT&T is buying Time Warner who owns Warner Bros.
So it is just a matter of time before they start upping their game.
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Post by Metallo on May 22, 2017 0:29:46 GMT -5
Hopefully that means some serious corporate changes for the better. Like Tsujihara being demoted or outright pushed out. It's gotta go better than WB's last big merger/sale.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 22, 2017 19:54:27 GMT -5
AT&T is buying Time Warner who owns Warner Bros. So it is just a matter of time before they start upping their game. Or.... maybe it just means soon we'll get more AT & T product placement in their superhero flicks?
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Post by Metallo on May 22, 2017 20:40:04 GMT -5
Could be.
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