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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 5, 2018 16:30:47 GMT -5
Say you were in charge of getting a new comic book adaptation of STM / SII and continue from there.
Who would you have as writer/ artist/ format My own choices:
Writer/adaptation: Geoff Johns, with freedom to add material from Puzo and/or original- but blended into what's there. Artist: George Perez, with Jerry Ordway inks.
Alternates: John Byrne with Karl Kesel
Alternate STM issues- with cliffhanger, with the time-reversal
SII same team- but adapting the Mank script.
Alternate SII issues- with time-reversal, with new ending by Johns.
Continuing series with input by Donner on what he might have done with SIII/
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Post by Metallo on Jun 6, 2018 11:32:27 GMT -5
Not exactly accurate to what you want but I’d kill for a big adaptation of Superman the movie and Superman II written by Elliot Maggin or Mark Waid and drawn by Jose Luis Garcia Lopez or Jerry Ordway. I loved Ordways work on the 1989 Batman comic book adaptation. He kept his style but still nailed the likenesses which is something that can make or break a comic book adaptation of a film for me.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 7, 2018 1:08:02 GMT -5
Not exactly accurate to what you want but I’d kill for a big adaptation of Superman the movie and Superman II written by Elliot Maggin or Mark Waid and drawn by Jose Luis Garcia Lopez or Jerry Ordway. I loved Ordways work on the way 1989 Batman comic book adaptation. He kept his style but still nailed the likenesses’which is something that can make or break a comic book adaptation of a film for me. Ordway's 1989 Batman adaptation was one of the best drawn comic book adaptations... I prefer Perez's layouts, but really can't go wrong with Ordway. Ordway also did the cover for a fanzine called 'the Comic Reader' based on STM awhile back- (actually on sale for $10- not bad- on eBay) www.ebay.com/itm/COMIC-READER-165-fanzine-1979-Superman-cover-Paul-Levitz-interview/382481707456?hash=item590dafb1c0:g:k0kAAOSw-kdX1XZj
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Post by Metallo on Jun 7, 2018 10:29:28 GMT -5
You’d think they’d do something like this for the 40th. Just seems obvious. Something. I’d love to see more old stuff continued with comic book adaptations. I’m sure there are a lot of issues but they could be worked out.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 7, 2018 12:32:52 GMT -5
You’d think they’d do something like this for the 40th. Just seems obvious. Something. I’d love to see more old stuff continued with comic book adaptations. I’m sure there are a lot of issues but they could be worked out. Apparently this was when DC was promoting "Superman Returns"- and Byrne was set to draw an adaptation of SII!!! (Presumably the Brando and Reeve likenesses were okayed during this time frame anyways)- But, instead, they chose to do the rather limp 'prequel books' to SR. I remember bringing up something like this to Geoff Johns years ago at Wondercon,but he must have misinterpreted my question as he said that he and Donner already did a continuance with their "Last Son of Krypton" arc... but that had Lois and Clark already married- unless he was suggesting that parts of that story are what Donner would have done if he continued with Superman. Anyways--- yeah, there's a comic adaptation for Superman IV and even Batman and Robin, but never ones for STM nor SII. Doesn't seem right. Is the Puzo estate that greedy or does DC really feel it wouldn't sell? In any case.... it would be a great surprise if it came out.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 7, 2018 17:22:13 GMT -5
At the time DC probably didn’t see the interest in it but now they probably think the time has passed unless it’s as some kind of Tie in. They probably also didn’t think it was worth the effort because of all the rights issues too. The timing would have been right when SR was released because of the Donner influence.
The likeness issues still bugged me on Batman 66. It’s like they didn’t have the rights to use certain peoples images like Alan Napier or Neil Hamilton. Id love to get a definitive answer on that. I’d imagine the same issue is a big hold up on WB doing anything with George Reeves combined with a perception that there’s a lack of interest. I recently looked into his family tree and I don’t know who the heII they’d do business with. The Bessolo family? The Brewer family? His estate (who knows what shape that’s in).
I liked the concept of the SR Prequels but found the finished products kind of dull. For some reason things like that often never feel naturally tied or naturally flow into the movies for me. I felt the same way about the MOS and BVS prequel comics and the Star Trek countdown prequel comics. There’s something that feels a bit...off about most comics like that. That’s why I never take them as cannon until they’re referenced on screen.
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Post by booshman on Jun 8, 2018 0:12:13 GMT -5
I'd like to see an adaptation done without the turning back the world of Superman 1. Then the original scripted 2 and a continuation with new adventures after that. A sort of no WB, no Salkind intervention elseworld.
If also be interested to see Supeman Returns comic done with some tweaks (better justification for Superman leaving for one thing). Starring the cast of the Reeve movies. I'd like to see how differently that story would feel featuring the cast they were supposed to reprisent. An older Superman, and characters you know actually have a real history together. Would it work better?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 8, 2018 0:35:05 GMT -5
At the time DC probably didn’t see the interest in it but now they probably think the time has passed unless it’s as some kind of Tie in. They probably also didn’t think it was worth the effort because of all the rights issues too. The timing would have been right when SR was released because of the Donner influence. The likeness issues still bugged me on Batman 66. It’s like they didn’t have the rights to use certain peoples images like Alan Napier or Neil Hamilton. Id love to get a definitive answer on that. I’d imagine the same issue is a big hold up on WB doing anything with George Reeves combined with a perception that there’s a lack of interest. I recently looked into his family tree and I don’t know who the heII they’d do business with. The Bessolo family? The Brewer family? His estate (who knows what shape that’s in). I liked the concept of the SR Prequels but found the finished products kind of dull. For some reason things like that often never feel naturally tied or naturally flow into the movies for me. I felt the same way about the MOS and BVS prequel comics and the Star Trek countdown prequel comics. There’s something that feels a bit...off about most comics like that. That’s why I never take them as cannon until they’re referenced on screen. Even with the MCU's 'prequel comics', I never saw anything that really dazzled me or had a lot of substance.... but I did think it interesting in the commentary for Thor 2, that the Thor 2 prequel comic had a bit that so impressed the powers that be, that it was filmed and included in Thor 2 at the beginning, apparently.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 8, 2018 0:40:08 GMT -5
I'd like to see an adaptation done without the turning back the world of Superman 1. Then the original scripted 2 and a continuation with new adventures after that. A sort of no WB, no Salkind intervention elseworld. If also be interested to see Supeman Returns comic done with some tweaks (better justification for Superman leaving for one thing). Starring the cast of the Reeve movies. I'd like to see how differently that story would feel featuring the cast they were supposed to reprisent. An older Superman, and characters you know actually have a real history together. Would it work better? I agree- that's why I thought it might be a neat idea to have two variant comic adaptations- with the original cliffhanger- and the other with the STM time reversal. I also like your idea of having Superman Returns- but with it drawn with the Reeve cast- that's a great idea. The comic adaptation of SR that they did do- I thought was dull artistically- the likenesses weren't quite right, and the layouts were flat (though sadly that seems to also cover the majority of comic book adaptations period).... it definitely felt like art done for the paycheck. Of course... even better might be an animated (2d or 3d) using the Reeve likeness for STM, SII, and SR- but, with Bruce Timm saying that it's always easy to get a Batman animated project greenlit, and all other DC projects not as easy--- I don't see it likely.
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Post by booshman on Jun 8, 2018 3:00:49 GMT -5
Well if animation was an option I'd take a 3d movie one the style of the Superman VS Hulk videos on YouTube. They'd need a bloody good Reeve voice double though.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 8, 2018 11:47:18 GMT -5
At the time DC probably didn’t see the interest in it but now they probably think the time has passed unless it’s as some kind of Tie in. They probably also didn’t think it was worth the effort because of all the rights issues too. The timing would have been right when SR was released because of the Donner influence. The likeness issues still bugged me on Batman 66. It’s like they didn’t have the rights to use certain peoples images like Alan Napier or Neil Hamilton. Id love to get a definitive answer on that. I’d imagine the same issue is a big hold up on WB doing anything with George Reeves combined with a perception that there’s a lack of interest. I recently looked into his family tree and I don’t know who the heII they’d do business with. The Bessolo family? The Brewer family? His estate (who knows what shape that’s in). I liked the concept of the SR Prequels but found the finished products kind of dull. For some reason things like that often never feel naturally tied or naturally flow into the movies for me. I felt the same way about the MOS and BVS prequel comics and the Star Trek countdown prequel comics. There’s something that feels a bit...off about most comics like that. That’s why I never take them as cannon until they’re referenced on screen. Even with the MCU's 'prequel comics', I never saw anything that really dazzled me or had a lot of substance.... but I did think it interesting in the commentary for Thor 2, that the Thor 2 prequel comic had a bit that so impressed the powers that be, that it was filmed and included in Thor 2 at the beginning, apparently. I feel the same. I never read them. They just come off as hokey and you know they’ll be non cannon soon enough. The movies aren’t going to be beholden to some tie in made later. Felt the same about the X-men movie tie in comics. That does remind me of when films or tv reference deleted footage like in Avengers when Banner brings up his suicide attempt from the Incredible Hulk deleted scenes.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 8, 2018 11:49:10 GMT -5
Well if animation was an option I'd take a 3d movie one the style of the Superman VS Hulk videos on YouTube. They'd need a bloody good Reeve voice double though. I’m not sure they’d ever find anyone good enough. We’ve seen them try something like this with the Adam West Batman animated films. Some sound alikes are great while others stink.
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