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Post by atp on Dec 22, 2022 5:39:53 GMT -5
The dinosaurs in Jurassic Park were CGI villains, who once ruled the world
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Post by dejan on Dec 23, 2022 14:06:59 GMT -5
CAM Wrote:
Agree with all those sentiments regarding how you perceived STM on it's initial theatrical run.
I think the flying was the icing on a very lovely cake!
And as you say....It was that icing which in fact was the big mystery during the long publicity leading up to the release.
I don't claim to be the best film buff in the world.......but I am really struggling to find or remember from personal experience "humans that are flying" stuff in other movies that predated STM.
Logan's Run had the carousel sequence in 1976 which was pretty effective.....although you could see the wires! (Actually saw this movie for the first time on TV circa 1980/81---but have no recollection of seeing this sequence!)
Mary Poppins had the nannies being blown away from Cherry Tree Lane scene: First film I ever saw in a cinema(1980 re-release)---but this scene made no lasting impression on me either-lol!
Here in the UK, in the late 70s there was a Japanese TV series called Monkey Magic(man-I loved that show--not sure if you guys ever got it in the States)--it featured the odd flying carpet sequence--if you call it that!
......so STM was really a lone flying(no pun intended!) flag.
Yes Star Wars and Close Encounters had already raised the bar for SPFX a year before.......but that was for fantastical otherworldly stuff(even if ,as in the case of Close Encounters---these fantastical entities interacted with earth based stuff).
But STM had the first type of what you would call photorealistic effects-i.e a human flying.
One of my abiding memories from my first viewing of STM in 1981......was seeing Supes shoot straight up after saying "excuse me " to the pimp!........the way Reeve just flew upwards I thought was quite breathtaking.
We have become so desensitized thanks to repeat viewings and the plethora of other flicks , in the years since, that utlilized the same techniques(or CG) that we(or I) kinda just forgot how special some of those flying sequences were.
But yeah.....for a new Supes flick to be a novelty(in the manner of STM) is improbable.......but I don't think it's impossible!
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Post by dejan on Dec 23, 2022 14:39:08 GMT -5
Metallo wrote:
Yes-I think it's amazing how we are forced to perceive stuff.
Just a quick browse across the internet/social media/fan base over the last few days.....you would think Cavill was just an innocent victim!
Cavill was never part of the solution.
He was part of the problem!
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Post by dejan on Dec 23, 2022 15:05:31 GMT -5
Metallo wrote:
This recently unearthed interview of Reeve deliberately refusing to reveal to a journalist how the effects were done seems almost like it came from another universe:
@2:23 in the vid below:
Imagine Cavill having to tell people that he was not going to reveal how certain effects were done in Snyder's flicks!
Impossible!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 27, 2022 1:03:41 GMT -5
I think one thing really sad is the flip side of all the sfx advancements is REALLY (and I know you guys all said it here) the 'magic' of the movies is pretty much gone... but then again, the magic of stories and character still can create an 'oomph'.
The great thing about the magic of STM (as well of course with A New Hope) is that the groundbreaking fx were integrated with great story and character.
One friend often remarked that he felt the moment of Superman flying for the first time in view of the public should have been a moment of silence and awe.... I don't disagree that it might have been a nice creative moment, but I just don't think it would have fit with the rest of what STM was.
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Post by dejan on Dec 28, 2022 17:30:29 GMT -5
I think one thing really sad is the flip side of all the sfx advancements is REALLY (and I know you guys all said it here) the 'magic' of the movies is pretty much gone... but then again, the magic of stories and character still can create an 'oomph'. The great thing about the magic of STM (as well of course with A New Hope) is that the groundbreaking fx were integrated with great story and character. One friend often remarked that he felt the moment of Superman flying for the first time in view of the public should have been a moment of silence and awe.... I don't disagree that it might have been a nice creative moment, but I just don't think it would have fit with the rest of what STM was. Absolutely! Although you could argue that it's the stories themselves, for a lot of thse contemporary movies, which lack that oomph. I just watched Wonder Woman 84 for the first time a few nights back(yeah-I know- a bit late to the party--found it on my Amazon Prime account, buried way down the list!"). Not only did the story lack any sense of oomph.......the flying sequences were almost laughable. The scene where Gadot is travelling through the air(on her way to attaining the amour of Asteria)......just falls flat. Gadot's acting ability(or lack therof) notwithtstanding, her complete inability to convey a sense of flight with her facial expressions just saps the scene of any sense of ......"verisimilitude"! And despite the advantage of 42 years of advancement of SPFX technology, Gadot cannot sell the illusion of flight aswell as Reeve did, several decades prior.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 1, 2023 14:09:11 GMT -5
I think one thing really sad is the flip side of all the sfx advancements is REALLY (and I know you guys all said it here) the 'magic' of the movies is pretty much gone... but then again, the magic of stories and character still can create an 'oomph'. The great thing about the magic of STM (as well of course with A New Hope) is that the groundbreaking fx were integrated with great story and character. One friend often remarked that he felt the moment of Superman flying for the first time in view of the public should have been a moment of silence and awe.... I don't disagree that it might have been a nice creative moment, but I just don't think it would have fit with the rest of what STM was. Absolutely! Although you could argue that it's the stories themselves, for a lot of thse contemporary movies, which lack that oomph. I just watched Wonder Woman 84 for the first time a few nights back(yeah-I know- a bit late to the party--found it on my Amazon Prime account, buried way down the list!"). Not only did the story lack any sense of oomph.......the flying sequences were almost laughable. The scene where Gadot is travelling through the air(on her way to attaining the amour of Asteria)......just falls flat. Gadot's acting ability(or lack therof) notwithtstanding, her complete inability to convey a sense of flight with her facial expressions just saps the scene of any sense of ......"verisimilitude"! And despite the advantage of 42 years of advancement of SPFX technology, Gadot cannot sell the illusion of flight aswell as Reeve did, several decades prior. I thought the action wasn't bad- but the rest of the story.... OUGH. Nice intentions- but the story was a complete mess. And, worse, Jenkins had extra time to refine it.
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