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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 8, 2023 19:52:30 GMT -5
Hope everyone here is having a good new year (so far)-
Now and then I think about the long-awaited sequels to the STM movies in comics- and how disappointed I was in what came out. Apologies if there's repetition on what I have here- I don't recall if I posted my reactions to them earlier.
But- Aside from the overly-simplified art (which I really really was underwhelmed by)-
... There's no way that the Salkinds would have okayed having Brando back for SIII- so, it just wouldn't have been a realistic projection to have had Jor-el come back in a sequel on what 'would have been' if Donner had stayed on.
Secondly- if STM/SII had continued under Donner/Mank- then, the Fortress of Solitude would have been destroyed and we would have seen the last of Jor-el, period.
Kind of mixed on more STM 'continuations' in the comics if it's from the same team at this point. Haven't read about them doing more (suggesting it might not have sold that fantastically to warrant immediate continuation)- but... anyhow- ... would still love to see John Byrne or a more classic artist adapt the original SII as written by Mank.
Anyhow...
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Post by atp on Jan 9, 2023 14:55:14 GMT -5
It felt off to me too, but that's because it was crap
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 9, 2023 20:25:01 GMT -5
It felt off to me too, but that's because it was crap Don't hold back, atp... what do you REALLY think about it?
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Post by Kamdan on Jan 10, 2023 4:05:31 GMT -5
CapedWonder was saying that there is going to be a continuation of Superman ‘78 with a new artist. A welcome change!
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Post by Metallo on Jan 10, 2023 6:40:36 GMT -5
For what it was it felt fine to me. As for the artist story matters more than the art. Art is superficial. If the writing isn’t great it’s not going to work period.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 12, 2023 0:41:25 GMT -5
For what it was it felt fine to me. As for the artist story matters more than the art. Art is superficial. If the writing isn’t great it’s not going to work period. For the price of comics and for the rarity of the opportunity to do so, I was giantly disappointed in both. Art I'm biased towards. If a comic story isn't great- great art can sometimes still make the purchase worth it for me.... if said art pages have enough beauty of its own. (My reason for buying Spawn with McFarlane art and Wildcats with JIm Lee art, not thrilled with the story myself...though, yeah, of course that has limits, too...)
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Post by Metallo on Jan 14, 2023 15:35:18 GMT -5
For what it was it felt fine to me. As for the artist story matters more than the art. Art is superficial. If the writing isn’t great it’s not going to work period. For the price of comics and for the rarity of the opportunity to do so, I was giantly disappointed in both. Art I'm biased towards. If a comic story isn't great- great art can sometimes still make the purchase worth it for me.... if said art pages have enough beauty of its own. (My reason for buying Spawn with McFarlane art and Wildcats with JIm Lee art, not thrilled with the story myself...though, yeah, of course that has limits, too...) It’s a visual medium but the best art in the world can’t make up for a lousy story to me. Despite comics costing so much now compared to the last it’s still a relatively cheap form of entertainment. Like I said for what it was I thought Superman 78 was fine. Not great but fine. They were never going to put their top talents on it and even now I question how well todays top talents could have done with it. To them the book probably never would have made the necessarily returns in that kind of investment. I’m the guy that loathed most of Image’s output when they were at their hottest 30 years ago. I liked Savage Dragon because Larson could write some funny uniquely offbeat stuff but just about everything else was overrated to me because most of those guys could not write.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 14, 2023 22:56:25 GMT -5
For the price of comics and for the rarity of the opportunity to do so, I was giantly disappointed in both. Art I'm biased towards. If a comic story isn't great- great art can sometimes still make the purchase worth it for me.... if said art pages have enough beauty of its own. (My reason for buying Spawn with McFarlane art and Wildcats with JIm Lee art, not thrilled with the story myself...though, yeah, of course that has limits, too...) It’s a visual medium but the best art in the world can’t make up for a lousy story to me. Despite comics costing so much now compared to the last it’s still a relatively cheap form of entertainment. Like I said for what it was I thought Superman 78 was fine. Not great but fine. They were never going to put their top talents on it and even now I question how well todays top talents could have done with it. To them the book probably never would have made the necessarily returns in that kind of investment. I’m the guy that loathed most of Image’s output when they were at their hottest 30 years ago. I liked Savage Dragon because Larson could write some funny uniquely offbeat stuff but just about everything else was overrated to me because most of those guys could not write. I don't think it needed the top top top artist, but someone who loved the original Reeve Supes I really think should have been approached. Thinking John Byrne or Jerry Ordway... but.... hard to know how politically the assignment was for this behind closed doors. Writing-wise: I just wanted something equal or better than what I imagined could follow the SII series- otherwise, if art and writing disappointed, I would have just preferred they didn't even bother, myself--- but.... a lot of people seem to like it. I just wish it met my own expectations.
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Post by Metallo on Jan 16, 2023 12:56:47 GMT -5
It’s a visual medium but the best art in the world can’t make up for a lousy story to me. Despite comics costing so much now compared to the last it’s still a relatively cheap form of entertainment. Like I said for what it was I thought Superman 78 was fine. Not great but fine. They were never going to put their top talents on it and even now I question how well todays top talents could have done with it. To them the book probably never would have made the necessarily returns in that kind of investment. I’m the guy that loathed most of Image’s output when they were at their hottest 30 years ago. I liked Savage Dragon because Larson could write some funny uniquely offbeat stuff but just about everything else was overrated to me because most of those guys could not write. I don't think it needed the top top top artist, but someone who loved the original Reeve Supes I really think should have been approached. Thinking John Byrne or Jerry Ordway... but.... hard to know how politically the assignment was for this behind closed doors. Writing-wise: I just wanted something equal or better than what I imagined could follow the SII series- otherwise, if art and writing disappointed, I would have just preferred they didn't even bother, myself--- but.... a lot of people seem to like it. I just wish it met my own expectations. Uh…Byrne and Ordway would be considered top artists as well as veterans in todays comic landscape. Why would they want to do something like this unless they were very well paid? People like that were probably out of DC’s price range when it comes to what they were willing to pay. That goes back to the whole budget issue. Byrnes also burned a lot of bridges over the years and that’s mostly on him. I think the people they had working on Superman 78 DO love the Reeve films but it’s about more than that. There are questions of talent, availability, asking price, willingness to actually do it, scheduling, etc. I’d say vote with your money. Don’t like it don’t read it but other people might be interested in the book. It’s always important to keep expectations in check especially when things aren’t promised.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 16, 2023 17:54:43 GMT -5
I don't think it needed the top top top artist, but someone who loved the original Reeve Supes I really think should have been approached. Thinking John Byrne or Jerry Ordway... but.... hard to know how politically the assignment was for this behind closed doors. Writing-wise: I just wanted something equal or better than what I imagined could follow the SII series- otherwise, if art and writing disappointed, I would have just preferred they didn't even bother, myself--- but.... a lot of people seem to like it. I just wish it met my own expectations. Uh…Byrne and Ordway would be considered top artists as well as veterans in todays comic landscape. Why would they want to do something like this unless they were very well paid? People like that were probably out of DC’s price range when it comes to what they were willing to pay. That goes back to the whole budget issue. Byrnes also burned a lot of bridges over the years and that’s mostly on him. I think the people they had working on Superman 78 DO love the Reeve films but it’s about more than that. There are questions of talent, availability, asking price, willingness to actually do it, scheduling, etc. I’d say vote with your money. Don’t like it don’t read it but other people might be interested in the book. It’s always important to keep expectations in check especially when things aren’t promised. John Byrne and Ordway wouldn't do it for FREE.... but in Byrne's case, he was originally set to do an adaptation of Superman II when a comics tie-in was planned for Superman Returns, (wish I could remember where I had read it- but I know I openly groaned on the missed opportunity)- both Byrne and Ordway are major Reeve Superman fans- so I could see them chomping at the bit to do it- if they were offered it. Also, a number of years ago, Ordway had mentioned in an interview how he had felt like the industry was shutting him out by offering less and less assignments... So- if not Bryne or Ordway.... (and it didn't have to be)- I just wanted art to be equal (or even in the ballpark) to much amateur fan work on the internet. I just hate that I bought the thing, but barely crack it open after the first read--- if the art or writing were more pleasing to me, I would have. Again, it's not like my opinion will change anything - but... if I didn't complain now and then- this forum might be even thinner than it is. (jk)
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