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Post by Jimbo on Jun 14, 2013 13:14:44 GMT -5
Matt Bomer was borrowing the suit for a Prius commercial, so Routh couldn't make it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 23:56:34 GMT -5
I watched this today, but really watched it. Like, critically. Picking apart what didn't work and why, and vice versa.
The first half of this film is abysmal. It's not even because there's no Superman, but how everything gets going. By the time Superman DOES come around, you're literally dying for it, for ANYTHING to happen.
Once he does show up and save the plane, this movie really gets going and then slows down, but when it does slow down, it's done in a way that doesn't stilt the film. We all mostly agree that the plane sequence is incredible, and it really fucking is, so I don't need to get into it. Best part of the movie.
I never had any problem with the willpower thing or lifting New Krypton into space, I'm fine with it all. It's a movie about a flying alien who looks just like us and can shoot lasers out of his eyes. I can handle lifting an island into space. But that's just me.
I don't know why but Bosworth wasn't awful to me this time around. I kinda got what she was going for, the jilted lover who moved on, it works. Not the ideal way to portray Lois but for some reason, she just wasn't that bad.
Brandon Routh...I have a weird, bold thing to admit. I think I'd rather see a sequel with Routh than one with Cavill. Now, I'd rather have a sequel to MOS than SR for damn sure...but I would rather see Routh again. I love Cavill, don't get me wrong, but gads, there's just something about Routh. He doesn't look all that much like Reeve, in fact, he looks more like a mix of Jason Schwartzman and Dylan McDermott with a little Liev Schreiber tossed in. His Clark is a little Reeve like, but he makes it his own and does such a good job with it. His Superman is, frankly, godlike. There's something so soothing and peaceful about him as Supes that Cavill didn't have, which is fine! Cavill showed a scifi friendly version of Supes, and has that almost holier than thou attitude about things like the Supes from the Curt Swan era. It works, totally, in fact his line about getting the two phantom engine drive things to collide is just about the most true Superman line of dialogue ever spoken in a movie and it was done so fucking well. But Routh...there's just something so powerful about how under the top he plays it. Can't explain it.
Spacey wasn't all that bad this time around, but he needed to be more menacing. The few scenes he actually is such are great. I wonder who Lex contracted for those maps of the world with his new land. I mean, there were like five of them. Who did those? And what a stupid fucking plan. Easily the worst aspect of the plot, other than the offensively awful opening with the old lady and dogs.
Langella remains a disappointment. So laid back and unPerry like. Even when he yells, it's unconvincing. Then again, now Fishburn is playing him the same way, so I guess that's just how Perry White is now? Bah!
The lighting is so confusing. Some scenes, it's beautiful. Like, straight up GORGEOUS. Then, there are times it looks like the Hubble was used to film it. Just so muted and brown and hazy and awful. Why is the sky never black? Or even dark gray? Just looks bad. It looks okay in like ONE scene.
I feel like there is more wirework and less CGI Superman in this than we think. I'm still pretty sure that close up shot of him flying thru the clouds at the end is CGI, and maybe one or two other somewhat closeups, but for the most part, that's Routh. It's pretty impressive. I think, out of all the flying in all the movies, how Supes flies in SR is the closest to the way I fly in my dreams. One of my favorite flying shots in any of the flicks is when he just left Lois and Richard's conversation and the camera just stays on his pained face as the night skies and clouds pass behind him. It's beautiful.
There's a lot of beautiful in this movie. His descending into the Fortress. His ascending with Lois in front of the globe. His hovering in space. It's all gorgeous. They should've gone for more gorgeous but instead had to have a LOT of shots of things shaking on tables and people looking at said things shaking. Lingering shots are fucking rough in this movie. Like annoyingly so.
Surprisingly unannoying is Jason. A kid just being an actual, literal kid? No clever one liners? No whining, whatsoever? No smartass comebacks? Wow. Just amazing. Never to be seen again in any movie ever again. Ditto for "the other man", Richard White. I love that they made him awesome and not some douche Lois never would've been with to begin with so we'd want her to leave him. He was a fantastic character and superbly acted by Marsden. Yes, superbly.
As it stands, I love this movie. Not all of it but most of it. There's truly an amazing Superman movie in there, it just has some shit stuck in it. It stinks that we never got the sequel, though I am actually really happy with MOS and its prospects of a future, what could be. The kid in the sequel would've been a problem, as would introducing something like Braniac into the world they created. But whatever. This movie is great.
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Post by MerM on Jun 27, 2013 12:47:53 GMT -5
Just fired up the blu-ray and watched Superman lifting up New Krypton from the ocean. The way it's shot and scored, it feels massive and exciting even though it's not exactly a big action sequence. Especially the shot of the thing in space, blocking out the sun, with the faux-2001 music. Gorgeous.
Superman Returns is filled with these moments, and it's kind of maddening that they don't really add up. But dammit if everything Kevin said doesn't make me want to watch it again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 13:24:41 GMT -5
That shot you mentioned is so beautiful.
Anyone know why Routh's contacts are sometimes icy blue and his lips get all pale, and sometimes his contacts are dark blue and his lips look normal? It's so weird and jarring. And his light brown hair is kinda odd, too.
The final shot of him flying thru the clouds before going into space is lovelier than anything in MOS.
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Post by Shane on Jun 27, 2013 16:43:15 GMT -5
one of my favourite shots in any superman film is where he flies thru the main street of metropolis then on to lois house great shot
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 16:54:19 GMT -5
And his burning the falling glass. Goddamn, that's just such an awesome touch.
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Post by ye5man on Jun 28, 2013 15:26:10 GMT -5
This is my all time favourite shot of anything Superman. Its perfect.
There are some amazing shots in SR but the film's tone...well, you know
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Post by Metallo on Jun 28, 2013 15:34:06 GMT -5
I like Rouths look as Clark. The hair and such and the suits. Maybe one of my favorite Clark looks ever.
One of my favorite shots is a minor one but its the one when you see him flying from a distance from street level and someone says "oh it's Superman!" Love the lighting and everything. You get a sense of what it would be like to be in a real life Metropolis patrolled by Superman.
I also like the shot where he descends into the Fortress.
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Post by MAVERICK on Jun 28, 2013 16:18:22 GMT -5
I watched this today, but really watched it. Like, critically. Picking apart what didn't work and why, and vice versa. The first half of this film is abysmal. It's not even because there's no Superman, but how everything gets going. By the time Superman DOES come around, you're literally dying for it, for ANYTHING to happen. Once he does show up and save the plane, this movie really gets going and then slows down, but when it does slow down, it's done in a way that doesn't stilt the film. We all mostly agree that the plane sequence is incredible, and it really fucking is, so I don't need to get into it. Best part of the movie. I never had any problem with the willpower thing or lifting New Krypton into space, I'm fine with it all. It's a movie about a flying alien who looks just like us and can shoot lasers out of his eyes. I can handle lifting an island into space. But that's just me. I don't know why but Bosworth wasn't awful to me this time around. I kinda got what she was going for, the jilted lover who moved on, it works. Not the ideal way to portray Lois but for some reason, she just wasn't that bad. Brandon Routh...I have a weird, bold thing to admit. I think I'd rather see a sequel with Routh than one with Cavill. Now, I'd rather have a sequel to MOS than SR for damn sure...but I would rather see Routh again. I love Cavill, don't get me wrong, but gads, there's just something about Routh. He doesn't look all that much like Reeve, in fact, he looks more like a mix of Jason Schwartzman and Dylan McDermott with a little Liev Schreiber tossed in. His Clark is a little Reeve like, but he makes it his own and does such a good job with it. His Superman is, frankly, godlike. There's something so soothing and peaceful about him as Supes that Cavill didn't have, which is fine! Cavill showed a scifi friendly version of Supes, and has that almost holier than thou attitude about things like the Supes from the Curt Swan era. It works, totally, in fact his line about getting the two phantom engine drive things to collide is just about the most true Superman line of dialogue ever spoken in a movie and it was done so fucking well. But Routh...there's just something so powerful about how under the top he plays it. Can't explain it. Spacey wasn't all that bad this time around, but he needed to be more menacing. The few scenes he actually is such are great. I wonder who Lex contracted for those maps of the world with his new land. I mean, there were like five of them. Who did those? And what a stupid fucking plan. Easily the worst aspect of the plot, other than the offensively awful opening with the old lady and dogs. Langella remains a disappointment. So laid back and unPerry like. Even when he yells, it's unconvincing. Then again, now Fishburn is playing him the same way, so I guess that's just how Perry White is now? Bah! The lighting is so confusing. Some scenes, it's beautiful. Like, straight up GORGEOUS. Then, there are times it looks like the Hubble was used to film it. Just so muted and brown and hazy and awful. Why is the sky never black? Or even dark gray? Just looks bad. It looks okay in like ONE scene. I feel like there is more wirework and less CGI Superman in this than we think. I'm still pretty sure that close up shot of him flying thru the clouds at the end is CGI, and maybe one or two other somewhat closeups, but for the most part, that's Routh. It's pretty impressive. I think, out of all the flying in all the movies, how Supes flies in SR is the closest to the way I fly in my dreams. One of my favorite flying shots in any of the flicks is when he just left Lois and Richard's conversation and the camera just stays on his pained face as the night skies and clouds pass behind him. It's beautiful. There's a lot of beautiful in this movie. His descending into the Fortress. His ascending with Lois in front of the globe. His hovering in space. It's all gorgeous. They should've gone for more gorgeous but instead had to have a LOT of shots of things shaking on tables and people looking at said things shaking. Lingering shots are fucking rough in this movie. Like annoyingly so. Surprisingly unannoying is Jason. A kid just being an actual, literal kid? No clever one liners? No whining, whatsoever? No smartass comebacks? Wow. Just amazing. Never to be seen again in any movie ever again. Ditto for "the other man", Richard White. I love that they made him awesome and not some douche Lois never would've been with to begin with so we'd want her to leave him. He was a fantastic character and superbly acted by Marsden. Yes, superbly. As it stands, I love this movie. Not all of it but most of it. There's truly an amazing Superman movie in there, it just has some shit stuck in it. It stinks that we never got the sequel, though I am actually really happy with MOS and its prospects of a future, what could be. The kid in the sequel would've been a problem, as would introducing something like Braniac into the world they created. But whatever. This movie is great. Sent from my SPH-D710 using proboards I got nothing. That was just beautifully said
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Post by MAVERICK on Jun 28, 2013 16:27:58 GMT -5
And his burning the falling glass. Goddamn, that's just such an awesome touch. Sent from my SPH-D710 using proboards Yeah, it's nice when you have a Superman that's actually concerned about what the destruction might do to people The damage gets kinda big, but Superman never stops running around saving random people. I love that whole sequence. Catches guy falling, vaporizes falling glass so that it doesn't fall on people, puts out fire so that folks don't burn, catches giant sign before it crushes people below, catches Planet Globe. That wole fucking sequence is masterful. Shows the man's abilities & concerns better than any sequence I've seen. It feels like Reeve getting a cat out of a tree, only bigger & more imminent. Lovely. He simply is my Superman.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 16:45:08 GMT -5
You should definitely give Cavill a chance, though, Mav.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 17:10:33 GMT -5
I thought that sequence was dull, I think if the music had been bigger at that point it could have been great. I did love catching the globe though, but then he selfishly crushed someones car with it, not taking into consideration that gentlemans insurance excess To be fair Mav, if he wasn't vapourizing the glass etc what would he have been doing? he didn't have anyone to fight, it was either that or head back to Lois's gaff and actually go inside and sniff her panties this time! I'm not sure when I'll watch SR right through again, it probably won't be for a long time. The two bits I do like to watch most are the plane rescue and his take off from the elevator shaft followed by the super speed flight over the sea, both are brilliant.
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Post by ye5man on Jun 28, 2013 17:21:39 GMT -5
Yeah its true. He had time to think about citizens cos he wasn't under attack by cgi villains trying to take over re-create the world
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Post by Metallo on Jun 28, 2013 19:19:11 GMT -5
The Avengers sure had no problem saving people while an army of aliens poured into New York. When your script is more well thought out that's usually why your movie turns out better.
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Post by ye5man on Jun 29, 2013 3:03:37 GMT -5
Yeah but there were about 6 of them, plus a police force to back them up!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 3:43:03 GMT -5
Plus avengers is just a lot of cgi battles and no substance which I understand to be a bad thing
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 11:05:11 GMT -5
Yeah, WHAT?! Avengers was considered to be the best dumb movie to come along maybe ever.
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Post by ye5man on Jun 29, 2013 11:24:18 GMT -5
One thing I thought about MOS, unlike the others (even S4) I could't project myself flying with the character. Hard to explain; you guys know what I mean. There were a good few shots in SR where I had an emotional response to the flying, but with MoS, I was a pure spectator. Not necessarily saying its a bad thing, just an observation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 11:27:13 GMT -5
I know completely what you're saying. There were only two times I felt that feeling, when he first flies and keeps trying to go up but then falls, and then once he gets a hang of it, he moves his arm to change his direction that just looks and feels right. But that was it. I couldn't believe how much of the flying wasn't closeup. I was hoping we would see a lot more wirework and closeups.
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Post by atp on Jun 29, 2013 11:29:12 GMT -5
The part in MOS where he is flying over a herd of horses of giraffes - or whatever the fuck they were - looked incredibly fake. Even the Superman and Lois flying over horses scene in S4 looked more realistic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 11:37:02 GMT -5
Yeah, that looked rough.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 29, 2013 12:31:34 GMT -5
It's a shame Singer didn't make a more action-oriented film.
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Post by atp on Jun 29, 2013 12:33:14 GMT -5
It's a shame Singer didn't make a more action-oriented film. He should have made, pardon the expression, the fuckingest action motion picture ever made.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2013 0:35:25 GMT -5
That's a lot of fucking. But, Faora is German. I've heard those chicks can go ...
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Post by Metallo on Jun 30, 2013 10:57:53 GMT -5
Yeah but there were about 6 of them, plus a police force to back them up! Even when it was fewer they still did. And half the team has no great power to speak of. Captain America stopped the attack at the bank by himself fought aliens and saved people and he doesn't have one one hundredth of Superman's powers. Even before that in The First Avenger when Steve jumped on what he thought was a live grenade. What powers did he have then?
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