Superman Returns

[MAVERICK]

Nah, I think Singer was pressured to cut alot of stuff.

I made a cut with all the Smallville stuff cut back in & it feels MUCH better to me.

Also, I think pretty much everyone would like to see the Return To Krypton sequence.

I mean a few of the deleted scenes I don't care for (Lex & Kitty stuff outside the Fortress, Clark Changing in the Planet Broom Closet, Ma Kent outside the Planet), but the rest of the stuff is really good for me.


My ideal new cut would be to add back in all the Krypton & Smallville stuff & get rid of that artificial grain & stupid color filter.

Then it would be perfect in my eyes.

[EvilSupes]

I completely agree. What I don't get is why all the footage was not made into a director's cut in the first place. When you consider that the movie cost so much to make, the least they could do is use up all the footage and try and regain some of the money in dvd/blu-ray sales... I really don't understand WB, I really don't.

[ye5man]

I made a cut with all the Smallville stuff cut back in & it feels MUCH better to me.

Well, it would wouldn't it, lol

[MAVERICK]

Indeed.

Several other people really enjoyed seeing that material back into the cut as well.

[Deleted]

I liked the deleted scenes, as far as I can remember, I felt they should all be in the movie, as well.

See, I LOVE Superman Returns. And I feel like I'd love it even more if it was ten minutes longer but also edited a little tighter and lost a few pointless scenes.

[Jimbo]

Nov 24, 2009 13:12:16 GMT -5 @ucfkevin said:

....and lost a few pointless scenes.

"Can I borrow your stapler?" comes to mind. What, was Bryan Singer an Office Space fan?

[Legsy]

It's deadly...

[The Phantom Menace]

Nov 24, 2009 17:57:56 GMT -5 Legsy said:

It's deadly...

...to him.

[MAVERICK]

Love that line

[Matt in the Hat]

What Didn’t Make the Final Cut: “I shot a whole lot with the space sequence – the return to Krypton. There was a 2 hours and 45 minute cut of the film that I showed to friends and family. While watching it with a group of people, watching the movie unfold, I just felt it was really interesting on its own and deserved a life somewhere else. Maybe on DVD. I think it should be on 3D IMAX, frankly, because it’s designed to be 3D IMAX.

At some point I’m sure you’ll see it some time, and it’s got a little thing that’s going on. It’s very elegant. In the context of this movie where this movie needed to begin and what it needed to be about, I didn’t feel it. It’s just one of those things that you bravely do. No one told me to do it, to make these cuts. I had no time restrictions nor pressure whatsoever. I just felt the movie doesn’t need this, so I did something else instead. It could exist later in this form. I think it would be coolest in 3D because of the stuff that’s flying around.”

Bryan Singer on the Rough Cut: “It was 2 hours and 45 minutes. That was this cut that I screened for friends and family. That’s why I stepped back and said, ‘Okay, the time has come for me to sit back and bring a bunch of people in a room and just watch it with them.’ You learn a lot from that moment. They don’t even need to say anything to you. I had a few friends I’d ask. But you know it. You feel it in the room. ‘I’ve lost the audience here.’ Lost them, and then at one moment I got them back. You just learn and that was the 2 hour and 45 minute version.”

Superman Returns on DVD: What can we expect? Singer said, “I think there will be some deleted scenes…some charming scenes. Wonderful things that existed beautifully on their own. Moments that were wonderful.

I had a tough thing. James Karen was in the picture and he plays this gentlemen ‘Ben Hubbard’ that Martha Kent has been involved with, and it’s wonderful. There are wonderful beats and hopefully those will be there because I’d hate for people not to see them. It’s the magic of DVD.”

Deleted scenes and other extras, yes, but there won’t be an extended cut according to Singer. “I don’t think I’ll do an extended cut, not at least in the DVD. I’ve never done that. Those are kind of weird, you know? The director’s cut. No, this is the director’s cut. You just saw it. They don’t tell me what to cut. I’m not a place in my career that anyone tells me that I have to cut anything or put anything in.”

Link: movies.about.com/od/superman/a/superbs061906.htm


Frankly, he had say on final cut, so this project shouldn't be called the Bryan Singer cut and even says this is the director's cut. And seeing his interest in doing a director's cut, it would definitely be without him.


On another note, does anyone have any sources to back up that the color correction was at the "last minute"? Seems like it was planned to me.

[The Phantom Menace]

So I guess we can call Singer the anti-Lucas.

[joey m]

So, do we know if draining all the color out was done just for some artistic reason? Or was it to cover up problems with the cgi? (a lot of movies do this: the cg looks less fake if you slap a uniform color/lack of color over everything, hence all the mono-color bleached/blue/green/movies we see these days)

[reevevsrouth]

Nov 25, 2009 3:05:37 GMT -5 joey m said:

So, do we know if draining all the color out was done just for some artistic reason? Or was it to cover up problems with the cgi? (a lot of movies do this: the cg looks less fake if you slap a uniform color/lack of color over everything, hence all the mono-color bleached/blue/green/movies we see these days)

Is it really drained? The picture just looks dimmed down for video, not that I understand why.
I thought it looked fine theatrically.

[EvilSupes]

Nov 24, 2009 19:05:18 GMT -5 Matt in the Hat said:

What Didn’t Make the Final Cut: “I shot a whole lot with the space sequence – the return to Krypton. There was a 2 hours and 45 minute cut of the film that I showed to friends and family. While watching it with a group of people, watching the movie unfold, I just felt it was really interesting on its own and deserved a life somewhere else. Maybe on DVD. I think it should be on 3D IMAX, frankly, because it’s designed to be 3D IMAX.

At some point I’m sure you’ll see it some time, and it’s got a little thing that’s going on. It’s very elegant. In the context of this movie where this movie needed to begin and what it needed to be about, I didn’t feel it. It’s just one of those things that you bravely do. No one told me to do it, to make these cuts. I had no time restrictions nor pressure whatsoever. I just felt the movie doesn’t need this, so I did something else instead. It could exist later in this form. I think it would be coolest in 3D because of the stuff that’s flying around.”

Bryan Singer on the Rough Cut: “It was 2 hours and 45 minutes. That was this cut that I screened for friends and family. That’s why I stepped back and said, ‘Okay, the time has come for me to sit back and bring a bunch of people in a room and just watch it with them.’ You learn a lot from that moment. They don’t even need to say anything to you. I had a few friends I’d ask. But you know it. You feel it in the room. ‘I’ve lost the audience here.’ Lost them, and then at one moment I got them back. You just learn and that was the 2 hour and 45 minute version.”

Superman Returns on DVD: What can we expect? Singer said, “I think there will be some deleted scenes…some charming scenes. Wonderful things that existed beautifully on their own. Moments that were wonderful.

I had a tough thing. James Karen was in the picture and he plays this gentlemen ‘Ben Hubbard’ that Martha Kent has been involved with, and it’s wonderful. There are wonderful beats and hopefully those will be there because I’d hate for people not to see them. It’s the magic of DVD.”

Deleted scenes and other extras, yes, but there won’t be an extended cut according to Singer. “I don’t think I’ll do an extended cut, not at least in the DVD. I’ve never done that. Those are kind of weird, you know? The director’s cut. No, this is the director’s cut. You just saw it. They don’t tell me what to cut. I’m not a place in my career that anyone tells me that I have to cut anything or put anything in.”

Link: movies.about.com/od/superman/a/superbs061906.htm


Frankly, he had say on final cut, so this project shouldn't be called the Bryan Singer cut and even says this is the director's cut. And seeing his interest in doing a director's cut, it would definitely be without him.


On another note, does anyone have any sources to back up that the color correction was at the "last minute"? Seems like it was planned to me.

Well the original first few trailers/teasers that came out were in full proper colour with no colour correction. You can find some of these still on youtube.

[MAVERICK]

There is a Tech issue with the original SR thread.

It happened when I was moving some posts in it.

This is the new Superman Returns discussion thread.

[Jor-L5150]

CONSPIRACY!!!!

[ShogunLogan]

Strange things are afoot!

[Legsy]

A disturbance in the Force there is.

[belloq]

Or an even better analogy would be when Sifo Dias erased that planet from the archives for whatever reason in whichever episode of the prequels.....wait, who was Sifo Dias? Was he even in the film? Goddamnit, I can't get through one day without some asshole bringing up the prequels. Although, they weren't that bad I guess. Except when they were. Which was often.

[Legsy]

I was under the impression Sifo Dias became a Sith apprentice after Maul was killed. Or it could have been Dooku or Sidious. I dunno. Now I have a headache. Thanks.

;D

[ye5man]

Probably was Maul, who knows.


Does Lucas even know?

[Legsy]

I doubt it since the subject was completely avoided in Episode III.

[atp]

WTF happened to that Stallone photo?

[Legsy]

Erased from existance...

[crazy_asian_man]

Kind of hit me this morning-

The whole split I'm realizing with SR may be because Supes is an icon, and the idea of Superman having a son with Lois out of wedlock is so repugnant to some fans (one of my closest friends also says this is a killer for him) that it's like having (almost) a religious figure like Christ having sex in "The Temptation of Christ" movie.

The quality of the movie might not even register to those fans--- the idea already may have closed them off. (Plus maybe not enough action). In other words, if it was another superhero character instead, and called "Supreme (the Image comics version of Superman) Returns" instead, maybe Superman fans might have actually enjoyed it as long as it wasn't SUPERMAN and thought it a good enough film, since it's not tying it into the icon? Just a thought.

(**I know there are a lot of 'SR-not haters/not lovers' here, too--- but I just don't have a proper way to tag that view at the moment) ;p

On the flip side---

Still.... if WB had set the limit on the budget to be lower*, then SR might have still made the same money it did and be considered a giant hit--- as it still hit $400 mil worldwide....so that's not a small feat--- if just having the name "Superman" on a movie guaranteed a hit, then "Superman IV" would have been big office as well.

(* The rumor mill about SR going over budget was smacked by Singer himself, who came out and blasted it. Too much on the line for him to let a label like that stick. James Cameron is known for going over budget, but I don't think he ever defended it- because it was probably true in his case--- although "Titanic" grosses I suppose forgive all...)