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Post by MerM on Feb 14, 2010 15:36:25 GMT -5
GOOD EVENING MISS LANE!!! ;D
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Post by EvilSupes on Feb 14, 2010 16:27:09 GMT -5
Why is this discussion going back where it started when everyone has already said they agree Brandon was the best possible choice? We are only saying even though Brandon was good (and still is!) the fact they are rebooting people need to be open minded to help with the transition if a new actor is chosen and not that Brandon should not be used at all...
Sorry I am grouchy, pain killers wearing off..
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Post by Paul (ral) on Feb 15, 2010 1:52:43 GMT -5
Brandon isn't that great an actor.
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Post by The Phantom Menace on Feb 15, 2010 2:16:41 GMT -5
Brandon isn't that great an actor. The only other thing I've seen him in is Zack and Miri Make a Porno, and he's basically overshadowed by Justin Long.
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Post by ye5man on Feb 15, 2010 7:29:38 GMT -5
To me he is The Perfect Superman. Nobody even comes close (from this generation). so far. So, no, it's not easy for me to buy someone else in the role. Maybe in 10 years or so. Most people felt this way about Reeves and Reeve. Thankfully, most people are able to move on.
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Feb 15, 2010 8:37:03 GMT -5
Although Nolan hasn't had a crack at approving casting--- Let's remember that he also chose Katie Holmes for Batman Begins!!!! When Nolan first pitched (before the script was written) the idea of Batman Begins there was no Katie Holmes character. There was no female friend/love interest at all. Harvey Dent was pretty much in the role of Rachel. Not as involved in the main story, but as a childhood friend. WB asked Nolan to add in a female role, he decided to scrap Dent and add Rachel. WB also insisted on the casting of Holmes.
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Post by ye5man on Feb 15, 2010 8:42:19 GMT -5
Apart from Holmes, BB was perfectly cast IMO.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 15, 2010 13:26:28 GMT -5
I hear what you're saying, but....that's where we see things differently. If enough fans want WB (and Nolan) to keep Routh and would be fine with Routh even with a reboot, it may have a positive impact.
It's unlikely that they would dump Nolan for Routh, if it came down to it. (Well, they kind of did anyways in that they didn't renew Routh's contract). But if there's a showing that Routh is something that fans want to keep....... yeah, it'll still be up to Nolan/WB......but wouldn't WB be more willing to consider keeping Routh if it's shown that it's the one thing that fans don't mind keeping from SR to Nolan's reboot? (If Nolan has no prob w/Routh)
In any event, if they did dump Routh in Nolan's reboot, there'd be little choice but to be open-minded at that point......but I go back to the main idea: why break what's not broken and what if the new actor just isn't as good?
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 15, 2010 13:29:01 GMT -5
To me he is The Perfect Superman. Nobody even comes close (from this generation). so far. So, no, it's not easy for me to buy someone else in the role. Maybe in 10 years or so. Most people felt this way about Reeves and Reeve. Thankfully, most people are able to move on. That's where the "in 10 years or so" part comes in. Would you have embraced a new actor playing Superman in 1980?
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Post by EvilSupes on Feb 15, 2010 13:38:54 GMT -5
I hear what you're saying, but....that's where we see things differently. If enough fans want WB (and Nolan) to keep Routh and would be fine with Routh even with a reboot, it may have a positive impact. It's unlikely that they would dump Nolan for Routh, if it came down to it. (Well, they kind of did anyways in that they didn't renew Routh's contract). But if there's a showing that Routh is something that fans want to keep....... yeah, it'll still be up to Nolan/WB......but wouldn't WB be more willing to consider keeping Routh if it's shown that it's the one thing that fans don't mind keeping from SR to Nolan's reboot? (If Nolan has no prob w/Routh) In any event, if they did dump Routh in Nolan's reboot, there'd be little choice but to be open-minded at that point......but I go back to the main idea: why break what's not broken and what if the new actor just isn't as good? Well of course Brandon is fine as Supes and I agree why change what is already good? But what I am saying is I think WB have got this very narrow minded approach going on in regards to 'what they want' more than anything. A petition could be done and WB might take the fans view into account but whatever the case may be, we have to consider the possibility as fans, that Routh may not return due to whatever WB/Nolan decide. So with that being so, being open minded about who could be Superman next will help with being able to stomach the reboot, that's all I am saying. I am still rooting for a collaboration of sorts with Singer and Nolan though and while still keeping Routh - to me that would be perfect!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2010 19:45:37 GMT -5
Indeed!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 16, 2010 2:01:08 GMT -5
That's totally fair... but if there's a chance to let the powers that be (WB and Nolan) realize that they SHOULD NOT go with another actor if they can't find someone better suited than Routh, NOW seems to be the time to be kicking and screaming on the internet about it...
Who knows? It seemed to help avoid the McG/Abrams disaster....
(*For those who might cry "Star Trek" in Abrams defense.... I thought that was great, too-- BUT Abrams didn't write that one, so I think there would still be reason to worry if Abrams were in charge of Supes)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2010 5:05:16 GMT -5
I'm reading "Superman vs. Hollywood" right now, and it spurs me to these two statements ...
1. Routh isn't a critical casting decision for me. Jack O'Halloran said for the aforementioned book that while Reeve was great as Clark/Superman, what else did he do? I feel the same about Routh. He was good, but he's a one-trick pony at the box office for better or worse.
2. Routh isn't a critical casting decision for me. How many Bonds have we had? Pierce Brosnan did a good job, but most of his movies were shit. I don't care for Roger Moore, but I loved "For Your Eyes Only." I love Timothy Dalton, but "License to Kill" fell apart in Act 3. I'm more interested in a good story executed well. The casting is only a fraction of the equation. To me, that's why "Superman Returns" didn't get very far with general public opinion. The story wasn't that great and had some flaws in its execution.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2010 5:34:52 GMT -5
My Superman casting choice doesn't need Zoptics or CGI to fly ... Howard, damnit!
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Post by ye5man on Feb 16, 2010 7:42:30 GMT -5
Definitely agree. I like him, but he he goes then so be it.
Besides, the less reminders of SR the better.
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Post by Super Sebastian on Feb 16, 2010 7:56:43 GMT -5
If Brandon is not coming back, I think this actor would be great for Superman, it works in Grace Anatomy. His name is Eric William Dane.
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Post by botz1 on Feb 16, 2010 9:57:34 GMT -5
How can any one person in this forum actually want singer back in any capacity in this reboot, i dont understand... Other than Routh what good did he do for returns? ??, He stole the, back from krypton scene from us he did'nt want any superhero fight till the sequel his shotty writing ooo and cant forget that homo suit.. Mygod...and we want him back.....Not i said the blind man... O thats right dont forget Wb gave lester a second chance and what did we get..yea, remember people, we got SUPERMAN 3... peace and love....
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 16, 2010 10:57:17 GMT -5
I keep thinking that guy looks WAYYY too much like Leonardo DiCaprio for my tastes.... but appreciate the idea: it's interesting to hear actual suggested alternatives, than generalities about who would be better choices to star as Supes over Brandon.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 16, 2010 11:28:11 GMT -5
Interesting...hope you'll post a full review sometime of the book? I was curious myself about it...
1. Jack O'Halloran and Reeve sounded like they didn't get along in other articles--- but then again, Reeve has said in the past that playing Superman was kind of easy for him- as his first love has always seemed to be in theatre and I was suprised when uncovered past video interviews from the past show him almost testy about typecasting.
The Reeve autobiography is pretty interesting--- the guy doesn't cast himself in the best of lights when talking about his own behavior post-Superman. Nobody is perfect, but it was interesting to read his struggles to try to succeed in Hollywood beyond Superman. The guy had a lot of theatre training and had gotten good reviews overall for a lot of his performances, but box-office wise, there was only Superman- and Somewhere in Time was the film that grew its own cult.
Routh, though..... I've said it before--- I'm unclear if he's as good an actor as Reeve yet. Having said that, I thought Singer's work with him on SR was great- because I saw the character, not Routh, with an interpretation bending towards Reeve's .
I never felt that his Superman was as strong as his Clark, but given how much I felt like Routh embodied Reeve, aside from cloning Reeve, I could not see another actor fitting as well.
2. Is Routh essential to Superman? It depends on the type of story being told and (of course) who's telling it. For something as personal as what Singer was trying to achieve, yes.
Changing Bonds in the past was fine, as (for the most part) they were never too deep.
Changing main actors for Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or Indiana Jones? Part of the appeal for those films were what the actors also brought on board for the audience, in personal appeal.
For example, I was actually fine with Dean Cain in Lois and Clark, and I don't have an issue with Welling in Smallville. (I have more an issue with the showrunners)--- but for a big scale Superman film, I would prefer that they either go with ROuth or choose an unknown that is so dynamic as the character that it blows away all 'actor goggles', as was mentioned by Evilsupes.
It's tough to get a consensus or a majority, though. Given that (from what I can tell) most fans liked Routh- I'd be surprised if they can get someone that enough fans (generally) would agree on.
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Post by ye5man on Feb 16, 2010 12:02:24 GMT -5
nowhere close. What stage work did Routh do? Reeve was Julliard trained.
Star Wars and Indy are unique creations and not fair to compare. Supes has been reincarnated over and over (like Bond, Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, etc)
In 20 years or so, why not a new retelling of Lord of the Rings with new actors?
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Post by Paul (ral) on Feb 16, 2010 12:22:26 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 16, 2010 12:24:08 GMT -5
Yeah.... I don't think Routh is anywhere at the same level right now, (Reeve I believe started pretty young) but don't want to discount that he could go the Jessica Lange route (who hit fame too quick in "King Kong", then went back to acting school and then came out years later with an Academy Award) if he chose to go all out on trying to be an actor that can do everything.
(*Though I'd find it extremely funny if Routh decided to REALLY go in Reeve's shoes and start doing remakes of "Deathtrap", "Streetwise" and "Somewhere in Time".... ; )
Fair enough.... but I think for my own tastes, I'm hoping that wherever the film series goes, that the filmmakers are ambitious enough that the stories and the interpretations are so deep and unique that something IS lost if you replace the actor.
Also--- again, it's the timing thing. Twenty years from now, sure, but....
I miss the times where a film series WANTS to be a series of great films (not just one or two) with the same cast, and further the characters along.
When done well, it's just more enjoyable (to me) as an audience member when the same cast is used for a series of film sequels....
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 16, 2010 15:26:41 GMT -5
That fits right in with the Superman sex tape thread. ;D
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Post by Legsy on Feb 16, 2010 15:46:19 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Reeve had two children out of wedlock. Not to mentioned the guy used to party like a rock star. People are human and they will do whatever they need to do to have fun. Vices are vices, enjoy them while you can.
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Post by MAVERICK on Feb 16, 2010 16:10:57 GMT -5
cant forget that homo suit. Botz, thats the second time you have made a comment like this. Watch yourself. You sound like Chance & Adam.
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