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Post by stargazer01 on Mar 18, 2010 16:46:00 GMT -5
Shut up Singer.
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Post by MerM on Mar 18, 2010 16:52:10 GMT -5
He's second-guessing himself. We all do it.
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Post by supes78 on Mar 18, 2010 18:31:15 GMT -5
In the months to come, I think we'll see Singer dissect every aspect of SR and how it could have been better. He won't second guess his casting choices, though. He's very good about keeping his feelings on that private. Oh well, I think he'll be in good with comic book geeks again with a new X-Men movie.
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Mar 18, 2010 21:22:27 GMT -5
Adios Singer, I loved your Superman film but your fickleness sucks. Thanks for leaving Xmen3 and letting that shit movie get made so you could make your Superman film, and then you left that film series as well.
I'm begining to think Singer played an equal part in both his issues with Fox and WB.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 19, 2010 1:20:38 GMT -5
I do remember that Singer offered to produce Xmen 3 and be its sheppard (I'll have to check whether I got this from my recording of his appearance at Comicon or one of the interviews that came around the time SR came out)- but instead Fox must not have been interested (recently it's come out that the president of the studio got pissed at the time) and cut him loose--- rather than let him guide Xmen 3's creative direction under a different director.
Can't blame you for being pissed at Singer's fickleness- but in looking at the situation with Raimi and Sony over Spiderman 4- Where Raimi seemed to clear the deck just for #4, only to find out he'd wasted all that time for nothing..... Unless one owned the rights to the property, I guess it's foolish for any director to put all his eggs in one basket, knowing it could be yanked away at anytime. I can't say you're wrong that Singer may have had a strong hand in letting these things go, though, too.....you're not alone in getting frustrated that Singer's leaving Xmen created Xmen 3 by Ratner- and his involvement with Valkyrie ended up with MOS not getting made.
On the flip side, I did love SR & was able to see the Donner cut in my lifetime (albeit disappointing)- so, even so, I can't say that his jump from Xmen to Superman wasn't a total loss....
And I agree--- the wrecking of the Xmen franchise still sucks, but I can still see ways that they can repair the damage that Ratner did to it. With luck, Xmen 4 can solve it....
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Post by boogerdawson on Mar 19, 2010 6:23:30 GMT -5
As a new recruit to this forum, can I just say that I am a fan of Superman Returns and Brandon Routh as Superman, I even liked Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane, because I was willing to accept the vision and see where it played out. Just a shame now that we won't see the conclusion of that vision, guess that's for the fans to concoct in fan made comic books and novels......
Was interesting that Singer mentioned that he missed the use of an extensive assemble cast in Superman Returns, whereby he cut out Ben Hubbard and seemed to concentrate on his good pal Kevin Spacey to a great extent in the final cut. I think that Singer could win a lot of gold stars back (if he's worried) if he released an alternate cut of Superman Returns (with Krypton footage), (a lot of the deleted scenes in Superman Returns were more fascinating than some of the choices Siner and Ottman made) or if he released the Krypton footage and allowed the fans to make their own. Maybe in 25 years Singer and Ottman will be in a edit suite looking at some blue screen footage with misty eyes and asking Michael Thau to improve this baby!
I'm looking forward to seeing who's going to direct "Nolan's" Superman movie, I wish he'd direct it so it really would be "Nolan's Superman". That's my worry, that you can get a talented group (Walter Hill, Carroll and Giler) with an established record (Alien series) , working on a reputable, if first time director (David Fincher) and still come up with Alien 3, which I like but seems to be a dead end for a lot of people. I guess a huge difference between Nolan's team and the Alien team is that they are working on their own script without a team of ghost writers sweating for the studio.
One of the best things, for me, that Nolan said in his interview was the use of BIG NAME stars in Superman the movie, even though they were playing small parts they were all integral to the story. I'd have loved to have seen Paul Newman playing Jonathon Kent, most likely we'll get Robert Redford now.
Anyway, I'm gonna watch Superman Returns again tonight and be happy that we got a good Superman series to reflect on and something exciting to look forward to.
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Post by ye5man on Mar 19, 2010 6:47:47 GMT -5
Someone remind me, did Lex's henchmen even speak in the film?
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Post by atp on Mar 19, 2010 9:36:47 GMT -5
Someone remind me, did Lex's henchmen even speak in the film? Yeah, I think I remember one retard telling the other retard with the video camera to stop filming. Something like that.
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Post by atp on Mar 19, 2010 9:37:48 GMT -5
Maybe in 25 years Singer and Ottman will be in a edit suite looking at some blue screen footage with misty eyes and asking Michael Thau to improve this baby! Let's start an internet campaign to try to make this happen (please).
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Mar 19, 2010 11:30:43 GMT -5
I'm also starting to think that Singer may have not only been against what WB wanted for MOS, but that he seemed to have felt he couldn't handle Superman at all. Maybe he used the "creative" excuse to not have to do another Superman film.
He seems to feel like he didn't do a good job, which makes me wonder if the "party and play" rumors during SR post production is true. Singer is a good filmmaker but he seems to have attachment issues, hence why I call him fickle. He has about 5 projects on his plate at the moment and he is planning Xmen first class while he is supposed to be doing Pre Pro on a different film for WB.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 19, 2010 12:04:19 GMT -5
About multiple projects: I used to think the same thing you mentioned about Singer- how could anyone serious about a project in Hollywood be attached to so much simultaneously? Don't they care? I also would have thought Singer unique in that, until I found out that Ronald D. Moore also has/had multiple irons in the fire, as does Ridley Scott, from his "Kingdom of Heaven" director's cut dvd. On the making of, too, it was interesting (and refreshing) to hear Scott wonder about what he had done on the bts disc there when "Kingdom of Heaven" failed*. (*One thing I love about some dvds- the ones with the courage to not make their bts features not just p.r. pieces about how great everything was, but even talk about disappointments and filmmakers trying to analyze why this/that might have happened afterwards) Also, Oliver Stone - in the biography on him (hardback book from awhile back) - if memory serves right, apparently was so devastated by reviews of one of his old projects (It may have been "The Hand" with Michael Caine) that he had vowed in the interview to always be in the middle of a fresh project by the time from then on, just in case the previous one was a bomb. If he feels he didn't do a good job, I'd strike that up to cold feet that filmmakers have afterwards. If George Lucas fled to Hawaii to avoid the reviews of his first "Star Wars", and Ridley Scott got cold feet for his version of "Blade Runner"- (which was a GIANT bomb at the time with both critics and box office- then many years later considered a cult masterpiece- ) Singer isn't the first (and probably wont' be the last) director in second-guessing his own work. In any case, the anger towards Singer seems to be a sideways compliment to him- Nobody seems too upset when a Brett Ratner (Or McG) changes projects or takes on too much, that ends up being cancelled. Could Singer have contributed to both the Xmen and Superman franchise getting thrown off course? Oh, definitely, I'm not saying that wasn't the case- but we know that he didn't own the rights- which might be a big factor as well...and I understand was still waiting/hoping for an X3/X4 back to back- (How great would that have been? *sigh*) But - again, I'll bring up Sam Raimi's Spiderman 4 situation.... who knew if anything was going to be yanked from under him, since he didn't have the rights in the first place? Maybe it's smart to have 1,000 projects in the pipeline if you don't have a guarantee in writing- but, on the other hand, Superman and Xmen--- personally I think those would have been worth waiting for, I agree...but I hope that Singer over time divulges more about what exactly went down- maybe it is his fault 100% - if he shows up at Wondercon, I'll definitely line up to ask for more details. (*though from my understanding he was attacked pretty badly at the last Wondercon EVEN before the movie came out, just based on the costume colors) Once X2 was a hit, the studio head I imagine could have locked Singer down into a contract and forced him to direct X3- but didn't. The studio could have also gotten Singer to oversee X3 with a puppet director as well- but didn't. In any case- in the end: Nolan with Superman. Singer with X-men. Coulda turned out MUCH worse, no?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 19, 2010 12:05:30 GMT -5
I guess asking for CGI villains in SR would still work. Uh-oh.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2010 17:03:01 GMT -5
Well, now it seems Singer's completely off the X-Men projects because of the JACK AND THE GIANT KILLER project he's ALREADY ATTACHED TO.
Jesus Christ, what's the deal with this guy? Does he just shotgun approach everything and see what sticks? Lame. I can see why so many directors don't like talking about a project unless they're doing it at the moment.
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Post by Legsy on Mar 22, 2010 17:30:34 GMT -5
MAV said it best, Singer is fickle.
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Post by The Phantom Menace on Mar 22, 2010 18:27:57 GMT -5
Dammit all! I consider Bryan Singer one of my Top 10 directors (having seen all his films except Public Access), but he needs to get his act together. The comic book geek in me can't take this much disappointment.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 22, 2010 18:47:21 GMT -5
I still wonder if what Singer does is standard operating procedure for most Hollywood directors, but just that internet fandom keeps more of an eye on what he does, versus other directors- (possible?) because Singer had done Xmen and Superman. He might be doing nothing different from other directors EXCEPT not knowing how to keep a lid on things until they actually happen. From his comicon appearances, he seemed pretty straightforward. Doesn't seem all that comfortable necessarily at public appearances (Brett Ratner does, but look at how his films turn out)- but he seems to be the type that does care what fans feel about things, even if he can't make everyone happy. He might just not know the best way to present himself (or his ongoing projects) without looking like he's jumping all over the place. I have a strong doubt that if he had severe ADD, that he'd be able to get any gigs, despite the money he made on films. Is this the article you're referencing btw? I thought it wasn't bad. www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12-6-motion-captured/posts/exclusive-bryan-singer-directing-x-men-first-class-not-so-fastTowards the end, the article makes note of how 20th Century threw Singer off the lot for one week, then let him back in for "House". If studios are just as fickle on directors as we may be feeling Singer is, can you blame him for a shotgun approach? Hardballing for negotiations for creative control (assuming that's what it is) doesn't necessarily sound like a dumb move, especially after seeing how Sam Raimi's Spiderman 3 went so awry with the studio (and perhaps producers')'s bullying. In the middle of hardballing and waiting waiting waiting for a definite 'yes', hard to blame someone when a REAL 'yes' is thrown in front of his/her face. I do wish that Singer would have #1 love for superhero films myself, and discard the rest, but it just might not be practical for someone that wants to keep doing films when they get final greenlights. When/if he gets a chance to REALLY go back to Xmen, hopefully he can be more like George Lucas (in that one regard) and just as Lucas put his Star Wars trilogy above everything else for years, that Singer would want to do something similiar with the Xmen. What I also don't know, though, is how dispensible the producers are in both the Xmen and Spiderman cases. Obviously, they do have more power than Raimi or Singer have- but is it an Alexander Salkind situation, where the producer has more creative control over the studio..... or a case where the studios have more say and can replace the producers at anytime? (like Star Trek and Paramont.... Would go towards how long we could/would expect any director to stay with a project. If they owned it (like Lucas) or whatever guarantees creatively they would have a right to. I have a sad hunch that a situation like Peter Jackson sticking around for the LOTR trilogy or Lucas staying with Star Wars is more the exception than the rule, if the best they can hope for is 'gun for hire' status..... Long story short--- Is it possible that Nolan is also fickle, but is smarter on keeping things closer to the vest until the deal is locked and sealed? I guess it doesn't matter in the end- but I'm not thrilled either with feeling jerked back and forth anticipating a director on a project minute to minute that may never happen.
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Post by stargazer01 on Mar 23, 2010 23:59:40 GMT -5
So.... SAD NEWS: Bluetights.net will be shutdown in about a month. As a member of the site for a few years, it makes me really sad; lots of memories, you know. www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?t=30776 So glad I still have this place to come and talk Superman and stuff. Thanks, MAV. Someone made this. I liked it,
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 24, 2010 1:30:49 GMT -5
Aw, that sucks. Sorry to hear.
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Post by ye5man on Mar 24, 2010 7:58:51 GMT -5
hahaha, WTF??
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 24, 2010 11:02:13 GMT -5
;D
I thought the same thing.
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Post by Legsy on Mar 24, 2010 11:06:29 GMT -5
WHAT!?!
I'm expecting a lot more traffic around here after Justin's final curtain call.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2010 11:17:33 GMT -5
BlueTights was awesome prior to 2007. It's been useless since. Makes sense.
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 24, 2010 11:20:30 GMT -5
Wasn't it the "official" fansite of Superman Returns? Makes sense if it's folding now.
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Post by Legsy on Mar 24, 2010 12:26:48 GMT -5
Yep, pretty much. Singer used to post video updates of SR back in 2005 - 2006 on bluetights. It does make sense, though.
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Post by stargazer01 on Mar 24, 2010 12:44:22 GMT -5
WHAT!?! I'm expecting a lot more traffic around here after Justin's final curtain call. Maybe, but this girl at BTs is starting her own site, and she is VERY popular among that community. I like her, but she can be very annoying sometimes; she is like too good and sweet to be true... ;D and I'm suspicious of that type of people.
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