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Post by Jimbo on Mar 3, 2010 13:19:48 GMT -5
That's too bad. I love the music over the scene where the Vulcan satellite screws everything up.
And come on, who can deny the greatness of when Clark defeats Evil Superman? That's one rousing piece of music.
I really like the end credits on 3 as well, even though it sounds like the main theme completely jumbled.
Streets of Metropolis took some getting used to, but I like it. The Acid Factory part is pretty much a retread of his S2 work, but there's a lot of really good original stuff in S3.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Mar 5, 2010 19:24:33 GMT -5
the only thing i am confident in is brandon routh getting shafted.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Mar 6, 2010 0:11:52 GMT -5
Seeing as Salkind came up with the plot and the score and everything else on STM, he definitely can talk shit about another movie. Oh, wait, thaaat's right.Did he come up with ANYTHING that helped STM creatively? At all? Out of curiosity? well, at the end of the day- it was HIS idea. granted, he had no idea what to do with his idea. but it was his idea. it may be an alexander salkind production, but ilya thought it up. "... to thier ( the salkinds ) credit- they saw an idea in 'superman'... warner brothers owned DC- they could have made a superman movie any time they wanted ... NO ONE saw the future in a superman movie... " - tom mank ( 2001 stm dvd doc )
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Post by belloq on Mar 6, 2010 0:35:13 GMT -5
that's all true, but cupcakes were Hitler's idea, and we all know how that turned out.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 6, 2010 12:08:01 GMT -5
Agreed. Even though everyone seems to agree that Donner shouldn't have been fired by the Salkinds- if Ilya hadn't pushed his dad to make the movie, and they hadn't hired Donner, WB might NEVER had made STM.
Would superhero films have eventually been made on a big scale? In looking back at the times and conditions STM came out, it's really, really, hard to say. Science fiction and fantasy were booming because of Star Wars, but not necessarily superheroes.
Heck even when STM showed big box office- one would have expected a big explosion of Superhero films BACK in '78 (or at least started) and in turn WB kept the original Burton Batman on hold forever (until Beetlejuice was a big hit) and there wasn't another superhero film until '89 (TEN YEARS later)--- ((*not counting the 'sorta' superhero films like 'Condor Man'/etc. that had no comic book origins))
I know it's a difference of opinion, but based on what he'd said in the commentaries--- I still think Ilya does sound fairly reasonable ((*not counting comicon stuff)) in what he's said.... plus, even during Superman II's time, he did come out and say (suprising to me) that he thought STM was a much better film.
Pity that Donner and the Salkinds couldn't work it out..... film history would have been so much different (imagine Superman movies guided by Donner? *sigh*).
Ah well.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 6, 2010 12:09:17 GMT -5
;D
Still.... I blame Lester even more than Ilya.
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Post by The Phantom Menace on Mar 6, 2010 14:36:54 GMT -5
Replacing the father with the mother - Ilya's fault
Goofy slapstick - Lester's fault.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Mar 6, 2010 17:45:05 GMT -5
i think eventually there would have been superhero/man movies. there were before, so its not too hard to imagine there being a DC- sanctioned production.
but it wouldnt be THAT superman movie so.....
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Mar 6, 2010 17:47:53 GMT -5
...if the new series is to be more reflective of the John Byrne revamp.....
does that mean in a couple decades Byrne's family can sue WB/DC for ownership and flurk up the works ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2010 17:54:21 GMT -5
;D
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Mar 10, 2010 12:34:20 GMT -5
No more speculation.. From Joblo.com In an excerpt from an interview that runs in full in today's print edition, the LA Times has the first quotes from Christopher Nolan on his plans to reboot the SUPERMAN franchise. Says Nolan, "It’s very exciting, we have a fantastic story. And we feel we can do it right. We know the milieu, if you will, we know the genre and how to get it done right. Nolan, and his producer Emma Thomas, were asked about some of the rumors that have spread around the internet like the MAN OF STEEL title and that Lex Luthor and Brainiac will be the villains. Though they didn't confirm or deny anything, Thomas said with a laugh, "I don’t know where this stuff comes from." As it turns out, the key to getting this all made was writer David Goyer who told Nolan he had an idea for how the director would approach a SUPERMAN film. "I immediately got it, loved it and thought: That is a way of approaching the story I’ve never seen before that makes it incredibly exciting. I wanted to get Emma and I involved in shepherding the project right away and getting it to the studio and getting it going in an exciting way." There is also the obligatory BATMAN 3 update, which includes word that Jonathan Nolan is indeed writing the script (based off an idea by Goyer) but Nolan insists he hasn't yet agreed to direct. Click here to read the full story at the LA Times and if you have access, pick up the print edition today to read more about the upcoming film INCEPTION.
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 10, 2010 12:38:01 GMT -5
Oh great, Goyer gets yet another writing credit for a Batman movie he had little or nothing to do with. ;D
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Mar 10, 2010 12:48:00 GMT -5
I always felt Goyer was basically the comic book adviser on those movies. He was there to make sure the tone and spirit were true to the comics. He did a good job with Batman, but when compared to the other shit the guy has wrote and directed it's pretty clear where the scripts came from.
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 10, 2010 12:51:17 GMT -5
This "way of approaching" that he seems so gungho about....it's a little worrying.
Please let it not be a cross between TDK and Smallville...
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Post by The Phantom Menace on Mar 10, 2010 12:54:01 GMT -5
If there was an honesty in film credits policy, Tom Mankiewicz would be credited as a screenwriter of Superman and Superman II, while David Goyer would be credited as a "creative consultant" on the Nolan Batman films.
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Post by ye5man on Mar 10, 2010 12:55:31 GMT -5
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 10, 2010 13:00:51 GMT -5
If there was an honesty in film credits policy, Tom Mankiewicz would be credited as a screenwriter of Superman and Superman II, while David Goyer would be credited as a "creative consultant" on the Nolan Batman films. Nicholas Meyer would be credited as screenwriter on Star Trek II, Ring Lardner Jr. would NOT be credited as screenwriter to MASH (and would not win the Oscar), all the people who helped polish and rewrite the script to Star Wars would be credited, the list goes on and on...
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Mar 10, 2010 15:00:32 GMT -5
i'm just glad that we have an official statement from nolan about it.
it was bandied about and then denied so to have this in cement is reassuring. i also appreciate he didnt needlessly trash singer to set himself apart ( i'm not surprised- the guy is classy, but to go out of his way to praise singer was a thoughtul move )
so it looks like we are officially in preproduction? ... maybe pre-pre-production but at least some wheels are turning.
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Mar 10, 2010 15:06:03 GMT -5
The thing is, this is getting made. Nolan isn't one to fuck about. If Nolan wants to make it and WB wants to make it, it is as good as a done deal. Nolan isn't fickle like some other directors out there right now. Mentioning Singer was definantly a classy move. Nolan made similar statements about Burton, something along of the lines of "Batman and Batman Returns were great movies, just not how I would make them." Superman is coming back guys! GET READY!
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 10, 2010 15:38:55 GMT -5
Did Nolan ever say anything about Schumacher's Batman films?
Let's face it, if Nolan brings about a new franchise of Superman, Richard Lester Bryan Singer will become the Joel Schumacher of Superman.
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Post by MAVERICK on Mar 10, 2010 16:35:26 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 18, 2010 12:50:08 GMT -5
Singer has a few tidbits on how he's reflecting on his place with Superman here in this excellent article: latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/03/bryan-singer-and-the-xmen-together-again.htmlGood news is: It's hard for me to see anybody not excited over seeing Singer really want to be part of the Xmen universe- and he hints sound like (unless there's a boxoffice disappointment or WB takes over) he's in for more than just one movie- (Xmen 4 hopefully).... but on the flip side, as he said, he can't be four people at once. Sad news for SR fans is that he seems to be going with the idea that he wasn't as good a fit for Superman (something I totally disagree with, but others agree I'm sure)- and that being the case, doubtful that he'd put the energy into doing a Superman comic to show how he would have wrapped the loose ends up in MOS.... Ah well- as long as he's a godfather to Xmen, and many good sequels come out of it, can't say that things necessarily went wrong overall... (though it'll be a little tricky to erase Xmen 3)
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 18, 2010 12:52:45 GMT -5
"I genuinely like the people, and my personality meshes more with this universe than it does with other universes, I think; I see that now at this point," Singer said, no doubt referring to his defection to the DC Comics universe to make the oddly lifeless 2006 movie "Superman Returns." "I feel a connection to the X-Men characters and also the ensemble nature of the films. If you look at 'Usual Suspects'' or my last film, 'Valkyrie,' I feel especially comfortable with ensemble juggling. In the space between all the characters you can disguise a central thought that's hidden in all the discourse. I missed that with the singular relationship story of Superman. And, well, it always gives you something to cut to..."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2010 16:34:28 GMT -5
You think had Superman Returns been REALLY successful, he wouldn't say shit like that? "I love the Superman characters as much if not more than the X-Men!" he'd probably have said.
Feh.
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Post by Legsy on Mar 18, 2010 16:42:29 GMT -5
Singer would be talking about SR3 right about now, had SR been successful in the eyes of the studio.
Anyhoo, I'm started to get excited about Nolan's Supes flick.
Bring it on.
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