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Post by stargazer01 on Jan 13, 2011 0:25:40 GMT -5
One of my fave scenes in the movie. So much is going on there that words aren't enough. Lots of emotion, and the score is perfect. www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8ZsWKjtQfA&feature=relatedYou know, cgi Supes is pretty decent there. The next movie (if there is indeed one..) WILL use cgi Superman as well.. I wonder how crappy it will be.
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Post by ye5man on Jan 13, 2011 8:39:20 GMT -5
I actually watched SR last night; first time a few years now.
Same old impressions:
Bosworth playing a generic character, certainly not Lois Lane
5 years later and Jimmy Olsen looks 19
Perry White very understated, not the gruff character he's supposed to be
Not a lot of chemistry between most of the actors; very flatly written. Dialogue is pretty weak. It rips off STM dialogue but when it adds its own bits in (there was Luthor's line about real estate) it comes off as extremely weak. The writer's don't come close to Mank with rich dialogue
Routh looks too young at first but I did get used to him
I started reading a book during the never ending 3rd act. Why was the film such a downer? Have Superman throw the thing in space, capture Luthor then smile for the camera. As it was, it was too depressing. Superman in hospital? They pushed the Christ analogy so much it hurt the film
Production design was good; apart from flying, a lot of cgi was very good (Lucas could learn a lot about characters in cgi)
Luthor's scheme was so fucking stupid though that the film just loses all credibility. Why did he need more money anyway? Surely Luthor's aim is just to kill Superman? I was sick of Spacey going on about crystal's inheriting properties of minerals around them, almost like that was all he learned. After studying crystals all he did was fit that crystal into the Kryptonite and cannon it into the sea?
It was OK, but way off the mark for me.
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Post by lois on Jan 15, 2011 14:09:36 GMT -5
Watched Superman Returns with five friends last night. We had a blast. All of us thought Brandon Routh was fantastic as Superman. Our favorites in order in the Superman films are: 1. Superman The Movie - fantastic 2. Superman II : the Richard Donner Cut - the film that should have been released in theaters 3. Superman II : Richard Lester's version - liked the opening sequence with the Eiffel tower - disliked the amnesia kiss 4. Superman Returns - a very faithful telling of the Superman mythos and very well executed 5. Superman IV: The Quest for Peace - Chris Reeve wrote part of the screen play and would like to see SMIV with the deleted scenes restored. Loved the opening credits 6. Superman III - liked the scenes with Chris Reeve - needed a better villain - too much comedy - didn't like the opening sequence 7. Supergirl - Watched the directors cut - what should have been shown in theaters All of us have been Superman fans for over 40 years. We all saw STM when it premiered in 1978, Superman II in 1981 and were very pleased and delighted with SR in 2006.
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Post by atp on Jan 15, 2011 15:21:27 GMT -5
Production design was good; apart from flying, a lot of cgi was very good (Lucas could learn a lot about characters in cgi) he could learn a lot about characters, period. heck, he could learn a lot about films too.
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Post by ye5man on Jan 15, 2011 16:59:41 GMT -5
Directing actors:
It's deadly...
To him.
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Post by stargazer01 on Jan 16, 2011 0:17:59 GMT -5
Watched Superman Returns with five friends last night. We had a blast. All of us thought Brandon Routh was fantastic as Superman. All of us have been Superman fans for over 40 years. We all saw STM when it premiered in 1978, Superman II in 1981 and were very pleased and delighted with SR in 2006. Sweet! what were their favorite scenes from the movie? And your too, of course! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 3:37:51 GMT -5
I loved SR when i saw it in the cinema.
it was only upon watching it on dvd and really looking at it in depth i realised i wasnt actually too keen on it atall.
I think the adrenaline i had from seeing a supes film on the big screen clouded by judgement initially!
Bosworth is horrendous in the film btw, i wouldnt even give her the benefit of saying she was bad, she was fucking terrible.
Spacey didnt cut it for me, Perry white didnt have the energy Perry White is supposed to have.
Routh was good, no faults. The two queerhawks who wrote the thing should be shot though, some awful dialogue.
said it before, but most cringeworthy moment in the film is definitely Bosworths delivery of
"Personally i think thats a load of crap"
Yes Kate it was beyond crap
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jan 16, 2011 13:10:15 GMT -5
Watched Superman Returns with five friends last night. We had a blast. All of us thought Brandon Routh was fantastic as Superman. Our favorites in order in the Superman films are: 1. Superman The Movie - fantastic 2. Superman II : the Richard Donner Cut - the film that should have been released in theaters 3. Superman II : Richard Lester's version - liked the opening sequence with the Eiffel tower - disliked the amnesia kiss 4. Superman Returns - a very faithful telling of the Superman mythos and very well executed 5. Superman IV: The Quest for Peace - Chris Reeve wrote part of the screen play and would like to see SMIV with the deleted scenes restored. Loved the opening credits 6. Superman III - liked the scenes with Chris Reeve - needed a better villain - too much comedy - didn't like the opening sequence 7. Supergirl - Watched the directors cut - what should have been shown in theaters All of us have been Superman fans for over 40 years. We all saw STM when it premiered in 1978, Superman II in 1981 and were very pleased and delighted with SR in 2006.
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Post by stargazer01 on Jan 16, 2011 13:16:33 GMT -5
I liked the original dialogue in SR, though, overall it wasn't as memorable as the Donner/Lester movies. However, SR had deeper more rich subtext than those movies, imo, and that it's a good thing, imo.
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Post by ye5man on Jan 16, 2011 13:32:24 GMT -5
The range of vocabulary in SR was more suited to a cheap American daytime soap opera.
"Wait for it"
"Deadly...to him"
"You're bald"
"Frankly, that's a load of crap"
"Even if you are the last you're not alone"
"Move!"
"Must be tough coming back"
Is this the rich dialogue set by the standards of STM? no, none of this rubbish is specific for one character.
There are zero original monologues as in STM either.
If there's any subtext to the the film, then please enlighten me. And use something original, nothing referencing the Bible, STM or S2
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Post by matt on Jan 16, 2011 13:56:47 GMT -5
What was Clark's excuse for being gone for five years he was with lamas? ;D ;D
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Post by stargazer01 on Jan 16, 2011 13:57:37 GMT -5
^Is that the best you can do? (to ye5man) SR has some really good, funny and witty dialogue, for instance this: "You wrote that the world doesn't need a savior, but every day I hear people crying for one." There is also Lex's awesome speech of Prometheus to Kitty, and more, but you just choose to ignore them... Not all of the dialogue in the Reeve movies is smart of that good as you say; "Planet Houston" anybody? ;D And everything that came out of Otis' mouth as well... I'd explain it for you, but I'm afraid you still wouldn't get it.
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Post by atp on Jan 16, 2011 14:03:32 GMT -5
What was Clark's excuse for being gone for five years he was with lamas? ;D ;D
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Post by lois on Jan 16, 2011 14:52:02 GMT -5
Watched Superman Returns with five friends last night. We had a blast. All of us thought Brandon Routh was fantastic as Superman. All of us have been Superman fans for over 40 years. We all saw STM when it premiered in 1978, Superman II in 1981 and were very pleased and delighted with SR in 2006. Sweet! what were their favorite scenes from the movie? And your too, of course! ;D Our favorite scenes from STM are the opening sequence, the interview that Lois has with Superman and the flight sequence, the turning back time ending and many more...in Superman II in the Lester version...the Eiffel tower sequence, the souffle cooking scene and the opening credits and many more...in the Donner version...the opening credits...the scene where Lois jumps out the Daily Planet window and Clark saves her with his super breath...the scene in the Fortress of Solitude wher Jor-El gives up his life force to give Clark/Kal-El back his super powers and many more...in SR the opening sequence...Clark's appearance back at the daily planet...his catching of the plane...the scene where he lifts the gigantic land mass with Kryptonite in it and many more...
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Post by lois on Jan 16, 2011 14:52:48 GMT -5
I liked the original dialogue in SR, though, overall it wasn't as memorable as the Donner/Lester movies. However, SR had deeper more rich subtext than those movies, imo, and that it's a good thing, imo. Couldn't have said it better myself...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 15:42:53 GMT -5
Can't disagree.
There's a LOT going on in Superman Returns. I'm not sure if people just can't stand that it's not a straight forward comic book hero movie, or if they just don't WANT to acknowledge everything that's happening in the movie, but, yeah, SR is a completely different beast than STM and S2 despite the throwbacks. heck, there's no other comic book movie like it.
It's a ponderous, beautiful poem in a sea of taglines and money shots. Disagree all you want, chalk it up to the "cheap" dialogue or Bosworth or Lex's plot or whatever, those are pretty weak reasons to think the movie's crap, but I personally think SR is an incredibly deep, beautiful and misunderstood movie.
You are all welcome, of course, to shit on it because it tried something different, despite also complaining that it's too similar.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jan 16, 2011 16:01:18 GMT -5
Can't disagree. There's a LOT going on in Superman Returns. I'm not sure if people just can't stand that it's not a straight forward comic book hero movie, or if they just don't WANT to acknowledge everything that's happening in the movie, but, yeah, SR is a completely different beast than STM and S2 despite the throwbacks. heck, there's no other comic book movie like it. It's a ponderous, beautiful poem in a sea of taglines and money shots. Disagree all you want, chalk it up to the "cheap" dialogue or Bosworth or Lex's plot or whatever, those are pretty weak reasons to think the movie's crap, but I personally think SR is an incredibly deep, beautiful and misunderstood movie. You are all welcome, of course, to shit on it because it tried something different, despite also complaining that it's too similar. bryan singer made the unpardonable error of taking it seriously. some will never forgive him.
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Post by ye5man on Jan 16, 2011 17:07:15 GMT -5
I don't think the movie is "crap", just plodding and never ending; dreary, too heavy. Where is the light heartedness? Somehow the terrace scene in STM doesn't feel out of place to the trial and subsequent living death sentence and the Death of Jon Kent. There is terrific humour in that picture. Where was the tongue in cheek in SR? Give me Otis over watching Superman getting stabbed any day of the week.
"Awesome"? Seriously?
"You wrote that the world doesn't need a savior, but every day I hear people crying for one." - Yes, that's a good one. No more though I take it?
I think I mentioned STM only
In other words, you can't really see one either
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 17:10:37 GMT -5
theres only one way to settle this
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Post by ye5man on Jan 16, 2011 17:17:32 GMT -5
Its funny on here how you're either a "lover" or a "hater" when often there is so much middle ground
SR it hit and miss to me. I don't dislike it; most of it I find inconsequential unfortunately. I wish it were awesome; it certainly should have been better. Editing, script, plot and performances really hurt it IMO. Luthor's scheme makes the plot a figure of fun as its a shameless rehash of STM (complete with entire dialogue lifts) but this time this so-called genius is creating inhospitable land as beach front property.
Laughable in a sad way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 17:20:11 GMT -5
on a positive note it hard a nice score.
Its watchable, but not right the way through, its too slow for me to sit and watch it start to finish.
Pretty sure we've all been through it before anyway, but another thing that still gets on my tits is how dark it is, it looks crap at times, especially when you compare it to STM, but then they had Unsworth
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Post by ye5man on Jan 16, 2011 17:35:30 GMT -5
I've gotten used to the look now I think. I barely noticed it this time round
Yes, terrific score.
Except for the truncated main theme/opening credits. Probably did it for the morons who have no attention span.
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Post by matt on Jan 16, 2011 17:48:45 GMT -5
I wish they would have kept in Luthor being the reason behind Superman leaving for Krypton. They should have kept Luthor's line soon you won't be able to live here either. It makes Luthor's revenge even better and more personal. I don't mind the land scheme in SR because this time it is Kryptonion technology that would destroy earth. Luthor would be getting what he wanted with the help of Superman's crystals. He probably wanted Superman to get blame to for earths destruction. I think this land scheme was not money oriented but revenge oriented by destroying earth using the Krypton crystals.
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Post by ye5man on Jan 16, 2011 17:56:55 GMT -5
Definitely agree
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Post by Rod on Jan 16, 2011 18:32:09 GMT -5
it is not crap. but i dont feel i want to watch it again either, not in a near future. simple like that and sad too because i wanted to love it and i wanted that the character was updated like batman and star trek was. i am not a trekker nor a tim burton enthusiast. when i left the theaters of star trek and the 2 batman movies i thought to myself: omg, they got it sooooo right! after superman returns i felt like: uh, ok, i dont know, i think it is good, not sure... star trek was less nerdy and received some criticism for that because they made it for a large audience this time but i love it. it has much more a feel of adventure than before and it is funny, packed with great action scenes, perfect chemistry between the cast and it is never boring. so there is hope. i just dont know if there is hope for superman... is it too much to ask for a bright and alive movie with heart and characters with clear motivations and a plot that make sense? abrahams should have directed the star wars prequels. and probably superman too.
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