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Post by Jor-L5150 on Apr 23, 2011 22:24:16 GMT -5
everyone needs to calm way the f*ck down. singer DID NOT- repeat - DID NOT "throw routh under the bus" can people actually ..read? are people.... literate? the reality is- singer and WB did not come to terms on SR2. the reality is- WB is moving on with a different team- for MOS. the reality is- SR was released in 2006. it happened. it's there. the reality is- singer was asked if there was to be a reboot- would he "start over"- ie: would he agree that WB should "start over"...? given the reality that SR was released in 2006, and that it was not percieved as a "success" ...should a new approach be taken? the answere is "YES". singer is not dissing cavill, he is not bashing routh, he is acknowledging that if a new superman filmis to have a chance, then a reboot is the way to go. he's never met cavill, and he likes this other kid for a young superman. ALL that singer was saying that a new series needs a new lead- nothing more. he wasn't blaming routh for any real or imagined failure of SR. and, all you piling on- remember when routh said ' i wish superman could've..y'know...punched someone (in SR)'..remember that? he said what we all were thinking. was he throwing singer under the bus? NO. honestly. there's plenty of reason for anxiety- we need not make shit up. no wonder singer's a fickle b*tch. ... the reactionary bullshit he must read on the boards....  |
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Post by EvilSupes on Apr 24, 2011 12:00:17 GMT -5
I think Singer is saying about how he would cast someone instead of Routh is because he basically pinning the blame on Brandon for the movie's failure in not securing a sequel. Singer has already admitted problems with the movie which he now realises, but to sorta blame it on Routh is a tad harsh. Routh just did what he was told and worked with the stuff he was given - you can't ask more than that from an actor. Ultimately it's the director who is to blame is something doesn't work, and although he had admitted to some of that, I really don't think he can blame any of the SR's problems on Routh.
Anyway, I am probably stating the obvious but it needed to be said. That really was very bitter of Singer to say that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2011 16:49:51 GMT -5
Uhhh....what?
Really?
You really think that?
Wow...
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Post by Paul (ral) on Apr 24, 2011 18:42:27 GMT -5
I spoke with a guy today who has no interest in comics at all but did see Superman Returns.
He said to me today "I saw yesterday they are making another Superman film"....he knows I am a fan of these things...I said "Actually they are starting from scratch again..all new"
His reply shocked me..."What? Why? What about the kid? I was looking forward to seeing what happened!"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2011 18:58:14 GMT -5
Everyone I work with hates it.
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Post by ye5man on Apr 24, 2011 19:38:44 GMT -5
I didn't read that at all. Not in the slightest.
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Post by EvilSupes on Apr 25, 2011 5:44:29 GMT -5
Sorry, I think I am reading too much into it. I got the wrong impression from the quote from Singer. Just shows how things can get blown out of proportion from snippets of information.  |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Apr 25, 2011 8:13:58 GMT -5
shockingly, the posters at homepage were about 80% hostile towards singer for "throwing routh under the bus". it's amazing, singer can't win. he makes a fanboy dream, it's biggest fault is it's TOO....serious and dramatic...ever thought that'd be a problem for a comic bookmovie? irony. so singer acknowledges SR wasn't what most were expecting, he stays out of the way of the new production and tacitly says "reboot with a new face....yeah that's what i'd do now'' aaaaaannnnnd he gets sheckaced. |
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Post by ChrisM on Apr 25, 2011 11:12:13 GMT -5
shockingly, the posters at homepage were about 80% hostile towards singer for "throwing routh under the bus". it's amazing, singer can't win. he makes a fanboy dream, it's biggest fault is it's TOO....serious and dramatic no. SR missed the mark - in no particular order - because of an unoriginal screenplay, inexperienced writers, disappointing costume design, and questionable casting in some key roles. Serious and dramatic can be effective with the right ingredients in place. |
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Post by atp on Apr 25, 2011 11:21:27 GMT -5
no. SR missed the mark - in no particular order - because of an unoriginal screenplay, inexperienced writers, disappointing costume design, and questionable casting in some key roles. And, on top of all that, it was crap too. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 25, 2011 12:40:26 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree about SR missing the mark*- But this is going back to the original split on this film. (*although, yes, it could have been better with more action)
It's all subjective. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course.
The basic story I thought was fine (just not enough action), the screenwriters were from Xmen 2, the costume looked enough like the original imo, the casting I agree in a couple of roles I didn't think were the best, but the most important one I thought was fine (Supes himself). And I was suprised how moving I found the film in parts.
Again- everyone's going to have a different opinion of the film.
But- I would throw out- rebooting was always the easiest choice imo.
Trying to extend Donner's continuity was honorable and risky- and tougher.
Singer should have gotten credit for that, and for the guy who brought us the Xmen series successfully to the screen & showed WB that you don't have to go the Tim Burton route to make a profitable Superman film- even moreso.
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Post by Rod on Apr 25, 2011 12:44:28 GMT -5
no. SR missed the mark - in no particular order - because of an unoriginal screenplay, inexperienced writers, disappointing costume design, and questionable casting in some key roles. And, on top of all that, it was crap too. ;D crap jokes, i love it. |
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Post by ye5man on Apr 25, 2011 13:52:33 GMT -5
SR did miss the mark. If it didn't we'd be gearing up for the 2nd sequel by now
I don't believe all this "Singer concentrated too much on another film" crap either (that German one with Cruise). If WB wanted a SR badly they'd have set a release date and gone with another director if necessary
heck, Singer could have shot over 50% of SR2 during SR and WB would have replaced...yes, exactly.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 25, 2011 14:52:46 GMT -5
It depends if you define the mark as to whether or not I thought it satisfied my expectations, or if you define it as needing to make a billion dollars to guarantee a sequel by WB standards.
If you're talking artistic marks, it's subjective. I thought it hit it and surpassed it in spots. Others on the board felt it missed it by another universe.
The argument over the quality of the movie is pointless, we all will see it differently- and goes back in circles over and over again over box office equaling or not equaling quality, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. ..... gets tiring after awhile to come to the same end: a faction of people are on either side of loving/hating/indifferent to SR.
Nothing wrong with that. But those who loved SR lost by not getting a sequel, and those who hated it should be happy enough about it and leave it alone. It's like rubbing salt in a wound. Is it really needed?
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Post by Rod on Apr 25, 2011 17:07:43 GMT -5
true. but a wound that is never healed is still infected. dont worry, they want us to believe that MOS is the cure. oh boy, i hope so...  |
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Post by ye5man on Apr 25, 2011 19:20:05 GMT -5
I don't think anybody HATED SR, most feel it falls, well short of the mark, lol
Please don't paint people black and white as 'lovers' or 'haters', its lazy and not true.
Yes its subjective, but unlike STM, there are many people who don't really care for it anymore - that to me is missing the mark. Its certainly no classic.
If it was universally loved in 2006 and had excellent feedback (ala Batman Begins) then the odds on getting a sequel would have been higher despite falling short of targets
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 25, 2011 21:03:06 GMT -5
Fair enough.
I haven't met those people. STM can't really compare to SR- STM was an origin story, but SR took a harder route of being a continuation (for the most part). If anything, the more appropriate comparison I think should be SR to Superman III. Bridging the gap in time and keeping the STM/SII films relevant in spirit I thought was one of the things Singer (and his writers) did pretty well.
I agree that if there wasn't a split in the comic book movie audience over SR, there would be a stronger chance for a sequel. As a complex romance and for a film trying to make those unfamiliar with the character care about the people onscreen, I think it delivers something suprising in a great way. As an action film, I'll agree that it's very underwhelming and misses the mark in a huge way.
I think I've said before that when I left the theatre the first time, I loved it, but always thought that it didn't necessarily have the action crowd-pleasing scenes for others to love it like I did, too. (I wont' go into how I thought $391 million was pretty damn good, and I love enough of the film as is)
MOS woulda been action packed. There's no reason for Singer to not have delivered on it, as the character setups were all in place in SR.
Well, does it really matter anymore? I'm just hoping that Singer gives more details solidly on what the MOS outline, to either confirm or deny what was put out there earlier.... or for him to have his idea released in comic book form, like Favreau did in comics for some things he might have wanted in Iron Man.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 25, 2011 21:06:31 GMT -5
On a completely different note...
Ye5man, your icons are HILARIOUS.
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Post by atp on Apr 26, 2011 1:59:39 GMT -5
But those who loved SR lost by not getting a sequel, and those who hated it should be happy enough about it and leave it alone. It's like rubbing salt in a wound. Is it really needed? Would now be an inappropriate time to point out that Warlock got a sequel? heck, it got two sequels! Not trying to brag, just sayin'.... |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 26, 2011 10:45:40 GMT -5
Police Academy I think had five.
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Post by ye5man on Apr 26, 2011 11:15:14 GMT -5
Exactly ATP's point ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 26, 2011 14:10:06 GMT -5
That great films don't always get sequels, whereas crap ALWAYS get sequels. Yup.  |
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Post by Costa del Lex on Apr 26, 2011 14:20:32 GMT -5
I don't think anybody HATED SR, most feel it falls, well short of the mark, lol I'll respectfully disagree. I didn't like it on my first viewing, but didn't truly hate until after my second viewing. There will never be a third viewing... I know plenty of other people that hate SR as well and consider it to be a steaming pile of crap (subjectively of course). |
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Post by ye5man on Apr 26, 2011 15:58:32 GMT -5
Ah well, I'm proved wrong. I personally think the film is impossible to all put hate as their at least is a lot of respect for the characters (even though they missed a lot of marks)
I can't hate it for the music alone
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Post by Rod on Apr 26, 2011 23:49:32 GMT -5
the superman related music that has to be hated:
´somebody save meeeeeeee´
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