Superman Returns

[ye5man]

And I don't see why you had to bring Brandon into this

If you love Brandon then maybe you'll like this new fella even more because with his experience, there is every chance he'll be better.

[stargazer01]

thanks Jimbo.

[Legsy]

From what I've seen of him, I can tell you he's a great actor. I've seen a lot of The Tudors lately, I can tell you he has charisma. I just think you're a little bitter, Star. You know I love Routh, but he's never going to play Superman again. It's time you learn to accept that. To me, and most of us, you're still in the anger process of grieving. It's time to move on to acceptance.

[stargazer01]

^OK, it's your opinion and I respect that.


On onother subject..... It's official, Bryan Singer is the biggest bastard in the world:

Superman Faceoff: Bryan Singer vs. Brandon Routh

As the latest Superman reboot gets underway, two folks who have no say in Chris Nolan/Zack Snyder version, Superman Returns director Byran Singer and star Brandon Routh, face off against each other, Jeanne Wolf reports:

When Bryan Singer makes a public statement that sounds like he was sorry he picked Brandon Routh to be Superman in the 2006 Superman Returns, you’d think that the former superhero’s feelings would be wounded.

Speaking to Total Film, Singer said: “If I’m really honest, what I probably would have done is go back and retell the origin story with someone like Nicholas Hoult [playing Clark Kent/Superman]. I would have done it differently from Richard Donner’s original, which I love, but instead of doing a sequel I’d have started from the beginning - maybe I had that in the back of my mind and instead translated it to ‘X-Men: First Class!’”

So what does former Man of Steel Brandon Routh think of the director’s remorse?

Even though Routh may no longer have x-ray vision, he seems to have keen hindsight: “I love the movie and I’ll stand by it. Did it do everything that every fan boy and girl wanted? Ah… no. Do I think there should’ve been fighting in it? Yes! It would have been great to have some fighting. Would I have liked to have seen more of Brandon as Superman flying versus CGI Superman flying? Yes, I just think that pulled me out of the film a little bit. They did an amazing job, but there were still some shots that were not as good as the real thing. So there’s that. But, you know, I’m six years older now than I was then. I’m so much more mature. I feel like I could have brought even more reverence and more maturity to the character than was there when I was 25. Other than that, I’m really happy with it.”

But, never fear, Routh will hit the big screen soon as the title character in another comic book movie, Dylan Dog. Even though he’s playing more anti-hero than Superhero in the film based on a popular Italian comic full of vampires, werewolves and zombies, Routh had a blast doing it. But, did he miss having his superpowers? “It would’ve made this a lot easier,” Routh jokes. “But, I got to shoot guns and learn fight choreography, which I’d never gotten to do before. And, I throw punches at big monsters and get beat up a lot and get thrown around. So, it was work, but it was fun.”

Looks like Routh has moved on just fine without the cape.

Here’s my 2009 Comic-Con interview with Routh (check link):


blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/2011/04/22/superman_faceoff_bryan_singer_vs._brandon_routh/



I can't believe he said those things. He's like a little child, geez!

[Keith]

Singer is really turning into a bastard with his shit talk as of late about SR.

As far as Routh, it would have been awesome to see him again as Superman, but shit happens and the world moves forward. I've pretty much have come to terms with that. Cavil, while i haven't seen anything with him in it, I'm giving him a fair chance, the same I did with Routh when he was cast for the part. I've never seen Routh in anything before SR.

I think that Cavil will do good, I get good vibes from him, and I think his look will be good, as long as he's in a good costume that is.

[Jimbo]

Singer threw Routh under the bus? What an asshole.

Routh further shows he's a class act.

BTW, food for thought.... compare Singer's retrospective comments on SR to Schumacher's comments on B&R. Schumacher doesn't blame any cast member for the movie. Or even the screenwriter and producers.

[Valentine Smith]

Bingo.

Gazer, you should definitely watch Stardust. Not for Cavill, but because it's just a terrific movie. I really think you'll dig it.

Also, I initially misread your "Bryan Singer is a bastard" comment as "Brandon Routh has turned into a bastard" and kept rereading Brandon's comments trying to figure out what he said that was so bad! I feel like a dumbass now.

Singer, while he's made a number of movies I like very much (including SR), is a douchebag. A fickle, flighty, spineless, douchebag. It's kinda sad.

[stargazer01]

Singer is a pathetic excuse of a human being. Wish a bunch of vicious fanboys beat him up.

I'm serious.

God, I feel so crushed right now.

[stargazer01]

nah, he has a long history of being very fickle and douchy, and what he said isn't cool or tasteful at all. It comes off as a betrayal to his movie and lead actor. Brandon deserves more respect than that, imo. And someone younger as Supes? Haha, Brandon was PLENTY young and ideal to play a year one Supes. And he looks the part a million times more than the guy Singer mentioned.. give me a break, lol!!

It seems to me like he's trying to seek forgiveness from the geek/fanboy community by trashing SR. And the only one that's looking BAD is him. So yes, he deseves a good beating. Maybe it'd make him a bit more of a real man... oh wait! ;D

And I KNOW it isn't a real back and forth between Singer and Brandon. I was just very disappointed by what Singer said.

[Deleted]

You seriously wish a man physical harm and pain because he wouldn't have used Routh, huh? Well that's not batshit crazy at all!

Furthermore, I wonder if Brandon really refered to himself in the third person. Brandon as Superman. Regardless, that stuff came out a while ago. It was in one of those comic con videos. This is just being misconstrued to seem like it's a back and forth thing between Singer and Routh. He said that if he were to make the new movie, it would be an origin story instead of a sequel (MEANING SUPERMAN RETURNS, NOT A SEQUEL TO IT) he'd need a younger actor. Did he say a single thing about Routh or being disappointed in his performance whatsoever? No. Stop buying bullshit that ain't there. I thought you were all smarter than that.

[Deleted]

Ah, you responded in my modification. I delete and repost, I don't modify. I don't care for modifying posts.

Anyhow. I stand by what I said. Wishing a man physical harm because of his comments about his own movie is pretty fucked up.

Maybe it'd make him a bit more of a real man... oh wait!;D

Meaning what?

[stargazer01]

Uh? don't know what happened there with your post, Kevin. Any way, I posted a reply.

[crazy_asian_man]

Speaking to Total Film, Singer said: “If I’m really honest, what I probably would have done is go back and retell the origin story with someone like Nicholas Hoult [playing Clark Kent/Superman]. I would have done it differently from Richard Donner’s original, which I love, but instead of doing a sequel I’d have started from the beginning - maybe I had that in the back of my mind and instead translated it to ‘X-Men: First Class!’”

From reading this, (1) it's a portion, not the complete interview- (2) I don't read Singer as saying anything negative about Routh or SR- which chose to be a Donner semi-sequel.

Maybe I'm reading it differently than the rest of you, but I'm taking Singer's comments here NOT as a criticism of Routh nor his choice to make an extension of Donner's film with SR- but what he might have done differently, if he chose to do HIS version and not a tribute to the Donner version.

I don't read the comments as an attack, but I haven't read what preceded it in the interview, just what the journalist pieced together to make it seem like an attack/rebuttal.

[ye5man]

Seeing as most people only praised Routh in the film, I find it hard to believe Singer meant anything personal against Routh. The media manipulates and when simple people attack like the way Gazer has done so, is it any wonder why some people don't like giving interviews. You'll probably never hear another word re: SR from Singer again.


Singer, "the biggest bastard in the World" - what was that you said about fickleness the other day, Gazer?


Singer is allowed his opinions like the rest of us

[Conor]

Signer is entitled to his opinions. It was Donner or Mank who said had they more time they'd keep changing, re-editing re-shooting stuff but there comes a time when you have to hand it in. Singer is speking in hindsight. Jesus I've made some stupid decisions. I'm going out on the tear tonight for a going away party and before I do it I know it's a stupid decision lol!! We all wish we could slightly alter the outcome, the product of our creation to prefect it. Had SR done 600 mil and we'd a sequel based on SR Singer wouldn't be saying these words. He's only saying them on public reaction. If he was given 50 chances at different Superman movies until he succeeded in pleasing the majority audience only then would he not reconsider his decisions.

[atp]

I wish Singer was making the new Superman film. He realises that SR was crap, which means he's now perfectly qualified to do a Superman movie.

[ye5man]

Had SR done 600 mil and we'd a sequel based on SR Singer wouldn't be saying these words.

Excellent point

[stargazer01]

Apr 23, 2011 4:28:47 GMT -5 ye5man said:

Seeing as most people only praised Routh in the film, I find it hard to believe Singer meant anything personal against Routh. The media manipulates and when simple people attack like the way Gazer has done so, is it any wonder why some people don't like giving interviews. You'll probably never hear another word re: SR from Singer again.


Singer, "the biggest bastard in the World" - what was that you said about fickleness the other day, Gazer?

Singer is allowed his opinions like the rest of us

What? Don't know what you mean by that, but it sounds like an insult. Not cool.

I wish Singer was making the new Superman film. He realises that SR was crap, which means he's now perfectly qualified to do a Superman movie.

Hey, we finally agree on something! He's basically saying that, lol... and here I'm always defending SR, but then its director treates it like a Batman&Robin. Silly me.



Look, I'm done with this discussion. To each its own. After all it's just a stupid movie about a fictional character that flies..

[ye5man]

Not cool

Neither is this:

he deseves a good beating

[stargazer01]

Apr 23, 2011 9:55:19 GMT -5 ye5man said:

Not cool

Neither is this:

he deseves a good beating

So you admit you insulted me then. I thought we weren't allowed to throw personal insults to the members of this community. That'd be crossing the line like you just did.

[MAVERICK]

Ye5man, watch the personal insults. Singer isn't a member of this board. Gazer is.

Argue all you want, but don't get personal. Keep it civil.

[Deleted]

ATP, wouldn't that be fucking fascinating?

If Snyder got booted and Singer got the job again and did a...wait...I said booted back there...dammit...ah well...reboot?

[Deleted]

When Singer mentioned Hoult, I figured he was talking about doing a Superboy movie. Or at least a movie with extended origin elements. There's no way Hoult could possibly play a full-on adult Superman. About a Boy (Hoult was the boy mentioned in the title!) only came out 9 years ago. He's 21, which means he still looks 15 on screen. heck, Stephan Bender (SR's young Clark) is older than him. There's no way Singer would've cast Hoult instead of Routh as an adult Superman, IMO. That's not what he was talking about.

Seriously, how can any reasonable person take this...

If I'm really honest, what I probably would have done is go back and retell the origin story with someone like Nicholas Hoult.

...and automatically take that to mean that Singer thinks Routh was a mistake? To me, it's fairly clear he was talking about doing a Superman movie featuring more of Clark as a teenager, with a younger actor like Hoult filling the role Bender did- only with more screen time and meatier material.

This is why no one likes to be completely candid in interviews. The internet will twist your words every which way just to get more page views.

Singer: 'I'd cast Nicholas Hoult as Superman'

Seriously, Internet? Would you like some fail fries with your fail burger? ;D
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[Shane]

Is Singer a crack head? or on LSD ?

[crazy_asian_man]

...and automatically take that to mean that Singer thinks Routh was a mistake? To me, it's fairly clear he was talking about doing a Superman movie featuring more of Clark as a teenager, with a younger actor like Hoult filling the role Bender did- only with more screen time and meatier material.

This is why no one likes to be completely candid in interviews. The internet will twist your words every which way just to get more page views.

Very true!
In addition to that, having seen Singer in person twice at Comicons, (add to that the bts footage on Xmen 1.5 dvd where he talks to Jackman)--- I have to say that the guy is NOT the most confident public speaker and isn't nearly as smooth a communicator as Brett Ratner--- though the irony is that, if one judges a final film as the determinant of a good director, Singer KILLS Ratner. Go figure.

What I've always been saying is this: it would have been EASY for Singer (or any director) to just dismiss the Donner version and have a new Superman film in this day/age & just have his/her own signature on it.

Singer instead loved the Donner films so much, that he tried to continue it - and got bashed by the more vocal members of the Superman community, rather than (what I felt he deserved) credit for trying to preserve and MOVE FORWARD storywise with the Donnerverse, and part of that was casting Routh- who I felt embodied Reeve. (And which is why I thought his comment on casting someone different wasn't a personal slam at all- but a new interpretation, versus trying to extend the spirit of Reeve via casting Routh)

For those of us who loved SR..... I really wish those who didn't love SR would ease on the continued criticisms. The ones who loved SR and wanted a sequel LOST by not getting MOS via Singer/Routh.

Is it really necessary to add insult to injury for those of us who loved SR? Please. You won already via a new reboot under new hands. Is it really necessary to keep on saying how much this/that person disliked it? Really. Just sayin.