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Post by MAVERICK on Jul 28, 2011 9:17:53 GMT -5
Loved it.
Feels like old school Sci Fi.
Can't wait to cut it back in.
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Post by cypher85 on Jul 28, 2011 9:46:51 GMT -5
I thought it was pretty cool as well, and would have liked it to be left in. Though my enjoyment of the scene is most likely because it evokes the nostalgia factor and my love of STM, which is one of the big problems with the movie as a whole. It tries so hard to pay reverence and homage STM, but it pulls me out of the movie every time a reference or callback is brought up even though I enjoy them. The movie doesn't stand up well on it's own.
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Post by MAVERICK on Jul 28, 2011 9:53:26 GMT -5
I view it as Superman III.
So, works perfect to me. When I watch, it doesn't come off as homages, it comes off as It's all just part of the same world.
To each his own.
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Post by ye5man on Jul 28, 2011 9:54:15 GMT -5
For the opening of the first Supey movie in a generation you would expect a triumphant return to action and adventure. Not a 6 minute almost silent montage of flying round a dead planet
That would have been better opening SR2, in context of flashack of SR (exactly like opening of S2 on Krypton)
So in all the Supey flicks, there's only one that had a great opening, with Paris. Sheesh.
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Post by ye5man on Jul 28, 2011 9:55:10 GMT -5
I view it as Superman III. Superman III and IV happened. They are history |
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Post by MAVERICK on Jul 28, 2011 9:56:28 GMT -5
That's ok. Superman Returns was written as a new Superman III, so that's the way I choose to view it. You can have III & IV, I'll take Returns. Love it.  |
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Post by ye5man on Jul 28, 2011 9:58:55 GMT -5
It looked to me Superman Returns was written as a new STM.
I thought Superman IV ripped off elements of STM, but SR wins by miles. SIV was laughed out of cinemas, but give them a $200M budget and they can get away with it.
See how easy it is to fool people?
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Post by MAVERICK on Jul 28, 2011 10:02:09 GMT -5
Nah, I wasn't fooled, I was just overjoyed. It was written as a new Superman III & works perfectly as that for me. You can view it however you choose. Everyone wins. I'm just amused at how much it bothers you that I & so many other people enjoy it & view it the way we choose to. |
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Post by ye5man on Jul 28, 2011 10:22:25 GMT -5
Nothing bothers me. I just find it amusing that Singer can just come out and say (of a second rate script too) - this is going to replace 2 previous films in the franchise and sheep just agree with him. I suppose it was just too difficult to try something new. Well I guess Superman III actually made money and did get a sequel  |
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Post by MAVERICK on Jul 28, 2011 10:40:09 GMT -5
Nothing bothers me. I just find it amusing that Singer can just come out and say (of a second rate script too) - this is going to replace 2 previous films in the franchise and sheep just agree with him. What you are doing is calling anyone who happens to really enjoy the film & who choose to enjoy it as a sequel, sheep. That's really stupid. That's you basically name calling anyone who likes a move that you don't like. But then, that's who you are. ;D I find it funny. I never really say alot abut SR these days, because I simply adore it. I don't feel the need to defend something that I adore, other than to say that I adore it. But the second I do say something positive about it, I can practically hear your footsteps running down the hall & tripping over things to make it into the room to call names to anyone who enjoys it. It's practically a running gag. Person who likes SR: "I Really like SR! I think it works great as a sequel!"Russ running into room out of breath: " Did I miss anything!?!?!? The guy who just said he likes SR or views it as a sequel is just a sheep doing what Singer tells him! It's not possible that the person just really enjoys & views the film as a sequel, he's just a cunty sheep!" I never saw Superman stop a 777, or lift a boat, or raise a continent, or deal with Lois having a new man, or deal with having a son, or go to back to Krypton, or go back to visit Ma. Love all those things. Wow, that's what you stoop to? ;D ;D ;D So sad. It did make money. I think Singer really pissed some people off & they didn't wanna be in business with him any more. Movies that make money don't always get sequels. Movies that don't deserve it get sequels all the time. Piss on Russ, piss on. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by ye5man on Jul 28, 2011 10:45:18 GMT -5
That's as far as I got.
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Post by MAVERICK on Jul 28, 2011 10:49:07 GMT -5
Aaaaaaand once the truth is spoken he pretends he didn't read it. PRICELESS!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It's ok, you don't need to read the writings of sheep anyway. Everyone who enjoys the film is wrong, & you are right. Sucks to get called on your bullshit dunnit? |
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Post by MAVERICK on Jul 28, 2011 10:57:22 GMT -5
To each his own. I find it loads of fun. And since I view it as a sequel, I don't mind its serious nature, as every series of movies has a more somber entry. But, as I said, each his own. I don't feel the need to belittle anyone who doesn't like a film. At least you don't belittle people who don't share your views on SR.  |
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Post by Jimbo on Jul 28, 2011 11:09:45 GMT -5
Nothing bothers me. I just find it amusing that Singer can just come out and say (of a second rate script too) - this is going to replace 2 previous films in the franchise and sheep just agree with him. "Blessed are the sheep, for they shall inherit the earth" (Matthew 5:5)  |
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Post by MAVERICK on Jul 28, 2011 11:10:10 GMT -5
;DDAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA! ;D
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jul 28, 2011 12:05:17 GMT -5
are those sculptures of jim?
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Post by ye5man on Jul 28, 2011 14:13:25 GMT -5
Aaaaaaand once the truth is spoken he pretends he didn't read it. Truthfully didn't bother. Mav-Judo is tedious: quote someone, reply in opposite context; boring. And if you didn't perform Mav-Judo, well...I'm off for a sandwich |
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Post by MAVERICK on Jul 28, 2011 17:59:00 GMT -5
Truthfully didn't bother. Mav-Judo is tedious: quote someone, reply in opposite context; boring. Simple, truthful & effective. Please take your time. Months even. ;D |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 29, 2011 1:14:54 GMT -5
If you saw it in that perspective, I can see why it would be upsetting.
However, I see it from the opposite end:
Doing a reboot would have been EASY.
Doing something radically different would have been EASY.
Trying to tie it into Donner's and move it forward and STILL keep it Superman as we feel we know it? TRICKY.
You know I feel the movie isn't flawless, but enough of it was fantastic for me to overlook the flaws. I was intrigued by the idea of Singer doing a sequel that ALSO had to be an introduction AND take it forward into the current time frame.
Tough assignment- but one that would embrace something done almost perfectly the first time, and take it a step forward.
As far as SR opening up 'too dreary'--- I saw SR as more/less tonally 'The Empire Strikes Back" of Superman films. Darker, deeper, still a sense of humor, but definitely more a character piece than an action piece per se.
Does "Empire" stand on its own? Not really.... but it's one chapter of a story, that people love. "Star Wars" (the original) was structured in a way that would stand on its own more fully.
SR to me is similar to ESB in more ways than one. But, one thing it did miss was: the appearance of a great villain. If we saw a tease of Brainiac at the end of SR, it might have satisfied those who wanted more....
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Post by ye5man on Jul 29, 2011 4:41:45 GMT -5
ESB was the middle chapter.
SR was the first Supey flick in 2 decades (a new beginning; most people on the street were not going to be thinking of S2 were they?). Save the deep shit for the sequel. Had it have had more action and excitement it may just have had a sequel
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Post by MAVERICK on Jul 29, 2011 9:16:39 GMT -5
ESB was the middle chapter. SR was the first Supey flick in 2 decades (a new beginning; most people on the street were not going to be thinking of S2 were they?). Save the deep shit for the sequel. Had it have had more action and excitement it may just have had a sequel I can agree with that. I mean, it doesn't effect the way I personally view the film. I love it as is & accept it as a sequel through & through. But I do see your point that for the average viewer, it would come off as a first installment. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 29, 2011 9:33:06 GMT -5
I disagree- but not totally. Had it more action, it might have pleased more mainstream fans who wanted more of a summer popcorn movie, and I think you COULD have had it both ways, but if there was only one way- characterwise, I'm happy enough for that. "Deep shit"- I'll take anytime, so long as I think it's good shit.  Still- and I've been saying this--- I do agree that it could have and should have had more excitement and something VISUALLY different and new to shake up those who felt they already had a weekly dose of 'Superman' on tv via 'Smallville' and thought there was no reason to check out the new movie. (Who in marketing thought that showing the image of the Kent mailbox was a great idea for the trailer, when it's a traditional establishing shot (more/less) for 'Smallville' every week? Doesn't exactly add an air of mystery...) In an interview with one of the screenwriters, (I think it was Dougherty)- he'd said that (1) the movie would have worked better with the original RTK opening (I totally agree), and (2) that he was fighting tooth and nail to try to get a superhero mano-a-mano battle in there of some sort. One of the few genius things Roger Ebert has said was that a hero was only as good as his villain. Lex as real estate developer felt like a dark caricature of Donner's Lex- which was pretty much comic relief to begin with. Spacey was great, but the concept was terrible for Lex. You're not fascinated or intrigued by this villain, and that would have helped a lot. (Or even visually fascinated. Look at how much mileage Darth Maul got just by his look). SR is still a fantastic movie to me- but at least teasing a bit with one of the common comic book traditions- a worthy villain to get you riveted to the screen..... would have helped. I imagine a bookend of the RTK scene in the beginning, and a space traveler coming across the Kryptonite mass and heading for earth at the end might have definitely helped bump it up a few notches at the very least. |
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Post by ye5man on Jul 29, 2011 9:53:34 GMT -5
I think they focussed so hard on a love letter to STM that perhaps they didn't take other stuff into consideration
Well, anyway, we got the love letter, now for something new. Pity its taken too long (again) to get off the ground. I would not be surprised at all if this new film is cancelled at some point.
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Post by MAVERICK on Jul 29, 2011 9:56:05 GMT -5
Given that much stranger stuff has happened with Super movies that died (Burton's movie got all the way to casting & making a suit!) I could totally see that happening.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 29, 2011 9:59:58 GMT -5
There was a suit made for the Abrams movie, too!
Nothing surprises me anymore.
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