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Post by ShogunLogan on Aug 20, 2011 19:06:32 GMT -5
You really can't hang your hat on $400M. Lots of movies may $400M. In fact, SR was 6th in 2006 making less WW than Davinci, Cars, X-men 3, Night at the Museum, and, of course Pirates. All of those made $459M WW plus.
And, of course, you continue to neglect ROI which I harp to death. It is, in fact, what killed any SR sequel chance. This is why Green Lantern will not get a sequel.
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 20, 2011 19:39:06 GMT -5
Only if I am trying to use it to bolster my opinion. I wasnt. Other people's opinions have nothing to do with my like or dislike of the movie. Isnt it though? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2011 19:39:48 GMT -5
Box office means shit. Everyone knows this. People only disregard it when it fits their argument. I.e. SR. Same as Oscars. Oscars don't mean shit. They're pointless. Wait! My favorite movie won an Oscar? Yaaaaay! They deserve it! Go Oscars!
In Florida, most people seemed to like SR. In NYC, I haven't met a one person who liked it. There is a LOT of hate for that movie, internet nerd or no. Most people that I know and encounter think SR was pure shit. Literally. Most.
It ain't as loved and revered as some of you may hope of think.
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 20, 2011 20:10:47 GMT -5
I don't think anything either way.
I only know that locally, folks in my life dig it, & on the internet, its hated by many & loved by many.
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Post by stargazer01 on Aug 20, 2011 20:25:27 GMT -5
I don't know anyone in real life who hated it. funny.. ;D
Yeah it's a polarizing film on the net.
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Post by ShogunLogan on Aug 20, 2011 21:58:49 GMT -5
Box office means shit. Everyone knows this. People only disregard it when it fits their argument. I.e. SR. Same as Oscars. Oscars don't mean shit. They're pointless. Wait! My favorite movie won an Oscar? Yaaaaay! They deserve it! Go Oscars! Well, that's a very bleak view of things. If you think about it...sports mean shit. I mean, your favorite team won the championship?!?! What does that do for your daily life? NOTHING! Those players don't know you, they don't give a shit about you! You can pretty much apply this rationale to anything. But, in regards to the movie business, box office means everything. It is what is reported every Sunday. It is how movies are measured among each other. It's what determines sequels...on and on. My only point in mentioning the box office is the fact that the reason there is no SR II is because of the poor ROI of SR. Green Lantern got crushed in this department...you know there won't be a sequel. It's all about the box office, actually. But you know, YOU KNOW, that if Superman Returns made $1B and won Best Picture Oscar that ALL the SR fans would be wearing it like a badge of honor. Look at what gazer has been doing lately...posting random tweets from people we don't know who liked SR. Very informative. |
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 20, 2011 22:08:34 GMT -5
Actually, it was you that brought up the real world. I only mentioned my CoF. is basically the thing we are talking about when we say "Real" world. You're splitting hairs.  So, it was you who brought it up. I simply responded in kind. |
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 20, 2011 22:13:48 GMT -5
In response to Kev, you're right. Box office means shit when it comes to the quality of a movie. However, it is great to see a movie that you love do well, because it ensures a sequel.
Likewise, Oscars really are meaningless, however, I am happy when something that I like wins one. Not because I suddenly think it means something to prove my point, but because I know it means something to the people involved with the film.
In other words, Oscars mean dick to me, but I was happy to see how happy it made Peter Jackson & company OWN the Oscars with Return Of The King.
Know what I mean?
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Post by ShogunLogan on Aug 20, 2011 22:15:58 GMT -5
Fair enough on the CoF thingy.
But in regards to box office...there is a lot at play there. A good initial box office may reflect on the quality of marketing. A sustained box office may reflect on the quality of the movie (like with Rise of the Planet of the Apes).
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 20, 2011 22:35:55 GMT -5
I'll cop to that.
However, plenty of great movies made no money, while plenty of shitty ones make gold.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 20, 2011 23:57:40 GMT -5
I used to think it was- but judging from what's been written about the Spiderman series (particularly 3 and the now never-happening 4) between Raimi and Sony.... and that Cameron was never offered a blank check to do anything he wanted after Titanic- it still seems like politics is far more powerful than what would seem like common sense with box office. If it was ONLY box office- why no sequel/prequel to "Titanic"? (Yeah, it's a stupid idea, but that doesn't stop many a prequel/sequel to happen?) If it was ONLY box office- again- why didn't they just hand the keys to creative freedom over to Raimi after Spiderman 1 & 2? The more commentaries I listen to about old films, and the more open filmmakers are about situations that happened surrounding them- the more it seems like personality (particularly the ones of the persons in charge at the time) and ego override what would seem like common money sense or decisions. But then again--- doesn't that happen at most businesses & not JUST Hollywood anyways?  |
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Post by MerM on Aug 21, 2011 0:13:12 GMT -5
Based on this business with Ghost Rider's upcoming sequel (Nicolas Cage pissing fire, oh joy), SR's sequel falling through was almost certainly due to the corner SR put the writers into. If the kid subplot weren't an elephant in the room, WB could have gotten away with doing a broad-strokes continuation using the same cast and a different director.
The movie as it stands now? It's still good... has a lot of problems, and its non-ending irritates me the same way Lost in Space's did back in 98. Course, that's a worse movie, but being an impressionable kid back then, I wanted a sequel!
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Post by stargazer01 on Aug 21, 2011 1:00:08 GMT -5
Didn't know you have been reading.. thanks for paying attention.
And this is the SR thread, I can post anything to do with this film, including positive feedback.
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 21, 2011 1:09:12 GMT -5
It's ok Gazer. The footsteps are always looming ;D ;D ;D
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Post by stargazer01 on Aug 21, 2011 1:22:49 GMT -5
^I know it's a never-ending battle! more positive feedback... Gustamize Gus M. Guillen
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 21, 2011 1:39:39 GMT -5
Awaits obligatory negative comments about positive comments..... ;D
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 21, 2011 1:48:22 GMT -5
Yeah.... I give Nicholas Cage credit for the positive stuff he's done with his wealth for people that aren't in Hollywood (*it was revealed where a good chunk of his wealth went in an article when he was going broke- nice suprise, was that he & Sandra Bullock apparently gave a LOT over the years to charities, versus Charlie Sheen's donations to strippers and coke dealers) --- and his genuine love of comics.... BUT.... Oh, man. I like the guy in movies, but I don't think he's right for any comic characters that I know of. And that new trailer for Ghost Rider is NOT impressing me a bit. either. But back to Jason.... what you saw as a 'creative dead end' for the film, I saw as the stroke of genius that made me curious- how DO you get out of that corner and continue that storyline, with that plot element*? (and still make an entertaining movie that doesn't get stuck on one point?) That's what fascinated me--- But, in using a kid actor- they HAD to know that there was a short window of time to continue.... just as WB knew that they had to film all those Harry Potter movies asap before the kids got too old to continue to play the parts. (*I felt a similar way when Star Trek 2 ended, where they killed off Spock perfectly- and seemed to write themselves in a corner. So... when they brought Spock back to life in #3, I thought they made it in one of the most interesting ways possible. Trek 3 wasn't the best Trek film ever imo, but I actually appreciate it more over time for where they had to start from and go to. Same with 'Generations' - although in that case, they REALLY f*d up Kirk's second death.... even the writers themselves say so in the commentary! Bleaugh.) |
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Post by atp on Aug 21, 2011 2:57:33 GMT -5
Same as Oscars. Oscars don't mean shit. They're pointless. Wait! My favorite movie won an Oscar? Yaaaaay! They deserve it! Go Oscars! Oscars are like Pulitzers. No-one remembers what you got them for. Just that you got them. |
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Post by ye5man on Aug 21, 2011 5:41:14 GMT -5
Awaits obligatory negative comments about positive comments..... ;D I think most here are secure in our own opinions not to quote from random strangers on the net, or make claims about "The real World", to bolster them thank you very much. Its probably going to take me less than 5 seconds to find ANY opinion on the film and post here, but what's the point? Who cares if some random person says something about it? Gazer, posting Twitters posts on here from strangers is pointless. I've seen them, but skim past them. And if I were to post negative Twitter posts, to bolster my opinions, you know who would say what (see the above quote) |
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Post by ShogunLogan on Aug 21, 2011 7:45:41 GMT -5
Awaits obligatory negative comments about positive comments..... ;D I think most here are secure in our own opinions not to quote from random strangers on the net, or make claims about "The real World", to bolster them thank you very much. Its probably going to take me less than 5 seconds to find ANY opinion on the film and post here, but what's the point? Who cares if some random person says something about it? Gazer, posting Twitters posts on here from strangers is pointless. I've seen them, but skim past them. And if I were to post negative Twitter posts, to bolster my opinions, you know who would say what (see the above quote) Exactly my point. "I liked it and here are other people who liked it, therefore it was good". And what is your "battle"? You liked it, that's fine...are you trying to sway other's opinions? Having an opinion and explaining it is great but merely posting other's opinion is a waste. I'm SURE you've come across negative tweets, post some of those. But on a lighter note, this destroys your arguement: ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by ye5man on Aug 21, 2011 7:49:59 GMT -5
Can you imagine the outcry from certain people if ATP decided to quote negative comments from the film on here over the last few months?
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Post by ShogunLogan on Aug 21, 2011 7:52:00 GMT -5
Can you imagine the outcry from certain people if ATP decided to quote negative comments from the film on here over the last few months? He'd be banned and kicked out of the secret forum. |
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 21, 2011 10:46:26 GMT -5
I think most here are secure in our own opinions not to quote from random strangers on the net There's nothing insecure about appreciating & agreeing with comments that she found. Stop calling people insecure just because you disagree with them. Not so long ago, is was YOU Russ who went on & on about how all the people you knew int the real world disliked the film. Was that you being insecure? Or were you, just like us, simply stating fact? So, would the same be said about the people you quoted from your real world awhile ago? See, you want it both ways. When everyone you know hates the film, you are validated. When everyone we know likes the film, we are insecure. I see. ;D ;D ;D There's nothing insecure about appreciating & agreeing with comments that she found. It's more about why, & with whom you choose to piss back & forth with. Its only when certain people express appreciation for the film that you go into full on Ye5man mode. It's just an amusing observation. There's been plenty of times when you were pissing & moaning about SR & I've just rolled my eyes & said nothing. But the minute I & gazer & a few others every say ANYTHING positive about the film, you break yourself to call it shit, even though by your own admission you don't really think its that bad. Here's what I'm saying: I think that you piss on about it worse that you actually would, just because you think you are pissing off people you don't like. But hey, I could be wrong. |
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 21, 2011 10:46:47 GMT -5
Same as Oscars. Oscars don't mean shit. They're pointless. Wait! My favorite movie won an Oscar? Yaaaaay! They deserve it! Go Oscars! Oscars are like Pulitzers. No-one remembers what you got them for. Just that you got them. Nice  |
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 21, 2011 10:50:38 GMT -5
Can you imagine the outcry from certain people if ATP decided to quote negative comments from the film on here over the last few months? Ahhhh, but ATP DOES make his own little SR comments basically every time he posts about ANYTHING. ;D The difference is, at least he's consistent, & at least its amusing. He doesn't only do it when responding to people he dislikes. |
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