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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 14:03:37 GMT -5
Did SR not feel like a total non event?
Just thinking, aside from in here, Id struggle to think of a time anyone mentioned the film to me.
Its all most as if it didnt happen it was so quickly forgotten.
Thats the most disappointing aspect, it didnt really lay a marker. It came, and it went, and that was it.
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 23, 2011 15:23:36 GMT -5
A few months back, I ran into a guy I used to work with in the Postal Service, an acquaintance of mine who doesn't keep up with comic movie news, but does go to see them, asked me when they were gonna make the sequel to SR. Said he was interested to see where they go with the angle of his son. I ofcourse had to give him bad news ;D He was disappointed.  |
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Post by stargazer01 on Aug 23, 2011 15:31:41 GMT -5
I went to Mexico a couple of months ago, and Brandon's Superman image was still everywhere. Like I said before, some of my relatives were expecting a sequel. They really liked the film and Brandon, and wanted to know about his son too.
It seems those who didn't like the movie only know people who hated/disliked it or who didn't even see it. ;D
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Post by atp on Aug 23, 2011 15:34:35 GMT -5
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Post by stargazer01 on Aug 23, 2011 15:45:10 GMT -5
^I think I have it. Haven't read it in a long time but I remember liking Ma Kent and Lois' stories.
Haha, I don't really see Brandon as a very agressive type of person at all. Everyone who has worked with him says he's a really nice guy. But yeah, he must have his bad days too, we all do.
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Post by Jimbo on Aug 23, 2011 17:31:43 GMT -5
"Superman Returns" + "The Prequels".....wow. All it needed was "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" to complete the trifecta of ATP brain explosion. |
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Post by SupermanUF on Aug 23, 2011 17:46:16 GMT -5
Love that cover art though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 17:46:50 GMT -5
Alan Horn was going to come into my restaurant a few weeks ago but had to cancel. I truly had no idea what I was going to say to him regarding Superman but I was going to say SOMETHING.
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 23, 2011 19:34:47 GMT -5
I've read it. It's 4 separate prequel stories. One about Jor-El One about Lex One About Lois One about Ma The one about Jor-El is REALLY cool to see because it is Brando in comic form. The one about Lex is good but has shitty art. They even throw in a giant Mechanical Spider Joke. It shows how Lex met Kitty & used her to get to Gertrude & also his relationship in prison with his goons. The one about Lois recaps great moments from the 1st 2 movies & shares Lois's thoughts about Superman's absence. It also shows her meeting Richard. The one about Ma is by far the best. Shows how she's been getting along & has lots of great flashbacks to moments of young Clark that we never saw in the 1st 2 films. A REALLY nice companion to the films. I LOVE comic Prequels. The one for Star Trek 09 is so great, that I cant imagine the movie without it's information. |
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Post by Krypton Refugee on Aug 23, 2011 22:23:25 GMT -5
This has inspired me to dig out my copy of the prequel comics. I remember LOVING these. I haven't read them in a while, let's see if they still hold up.
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Post by atp on Aug 24, 2011 0:11:17 GMT -5
I might buy it. After all, it combines my two favourite topics in the world.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 24, 2011 3:21:02 GMT -5
It's a pity that we can't get the same team together to write the sequels in comic form, if nothing else. *sigh*  |
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Post by stargazer01 on Aug 27, 2011 1:05:36 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 27, 2011 2:25:48 GMT -5
Great vids, Star.
The guy makes a lot of great points & articulates it well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 6:26:45 GMT -5
No matter how much someone dresses it up I'll never look at it as a great film.
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Post by atp on Aug 27, 2011 7:14:28 GMT -5
Since when do truly good movies need 30 minute defenses by fans? If they were good movies, wouldn't they just ... be good? I don't recall anyone having to convince the rest of the world that STM was good in 1978. |
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Post by ShogunLogan on Aug 27, 2011 9:51:45 GMT -5
ATP, just remember:
People who think Justin Bieber's music is awesome think that Superman Returns is awesome.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 27, 2011 13:45:38 GMT -5
ATP, do you really want a list of all the movies NOW considered classics that were criticized as horrific disasters in its time? (short list: Alfred Hitchcock's "Psycho", "Citizen Kane", "Blade Runner")
STM also got some pretty bad reviews in '78. (I did read them, but did not keep them when they came out, at the time I kept the positive newspaper clips of reviews of films I liked.) But, the internet wasn't around then for fanboys to bitch and complain about Reeve's costume being too bright and Reeve looking too young to be the man of steel and for Supes to not have the power to turn back time.
The guy is defending a movie that generated controversy because the movie was too offensive to some fans, who were oddly fine with Superman having sex in SII, but not ok with the results of it producing a child.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 14:20:26 GMT -5
ATP, do you really want a list of all the movies NOW considered classics that were criticized as horrific disasters in its time? (short list: Alfred Hitchcock's "Psycho", "Citizen Kane", "Blade Runner") STM also got some pretty bad reviews in '78. (I did read them, but did not keep them when they came out, at the time I kept the positive newspaper clips of reviews of films I liked.) But, the internet wasn't around then for fanboys to bitch and complain about Reeve's costume being too bright and Reeve looking too young to be the man of steel and for Supes to not have the power to turn back time. The guy is defending a movie that generated controversy because the movie was too offensive to some fans, who were oddly fine with Superman having sex in SII, but not ok with the results of it producing a child. Would that really have happened though? Given both are false anyway. People can form their own opinions, some fanboy explaining why he likes a particular film isnt going to suddenly alter anyone elses opinion. If anything it sounds rather desperate. If SR ever becomes a classic i'll eat my hat |
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Post by ye5man on Aug 27, 2011 15:36:17 GMT -5
That's what I was thinking
I never caught any notices on Routh like Reeve had; I never saw anything like the following the way Reeve did
"Brandon Routh's performance is an entire delight!"
Routh got a lot of thumbs up but it was no classic performance that will go down in history. Problem was he wasn't original.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 27, 2011 17:48:10 GMT -5
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Never said that it would or wouldn't. However, anyone who's closed minded could have a ton of bricks fall on their head, and they'd still not move one bit, convinced that they're right.
Others like discussion, listening and communicating, to expand perspectives, not just being childish (not saying that anyone is being childish here) and attacking others if they don't like the opinions voiced.
It goes both ways. A good, well constructed argument can at least- if not change someone's opinion- it can at least help another person see something from the other person's point of view.
But- if no one's listening, it could be the best argument in the world, and it'll fall on deaf ears. That's correct, in that I agree.
I'm not sure what you're referring to here. About the reviews? That's true. It was not a 100% rating from the critics of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 18:06:45 GMT -5
. Never said that it would or wouldn't. However, anyone who's closed minded could have a ton of bricks fall on their head, and they'd still not move one bit, convinced that they're right. Others like discussion, listening and communicating, to expand perspectives, not just being childish (not saying that anyone is being childish here) and attacking others if they don't like the opinions voiced. It goes both ways. A good, well constructed argument can at least- if not change someone's opinion- it can at least help another person see something from the other person's point of view. But- if no one's listening, it could be the best argument in the world, and it'll fall on deaf ears. That's correct, in that I agree. I'm not sure what you're referring to here. About the reviews? That's true. It was not a 100% rating from the critics of the time. Oh dont get me wrong. It helps you to see why other people might like it, but people wont necessarily agree with it. I meant Reeve's suit being too bright and him looking to young. Neither of those were problems, the suit was perfect and he looked near perfect, I couldnt ever have seen those being complaints |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 27, 2011 20:49:45 GMT -5
Ah, I was making a joke that went overly badly. Will it never be a classic? I think because of people's strong feelings on what a superhero- particularly what people feel a Superman movie should and shouldn't do- SR will always be a classic to some, and a disaster to others. If I thought the movie was 'good' or 'pretty good', (or if it got a sequel), I'd let it go- or if it didn't make a giant chunk of money, I'd let it go and say, 'yeah, it was a flop'. Honestly, then I'd let it go. But the modest numbers don't lie. It was a modest ROI, and if Rottentomatoes can be trusted, it polled good response by the mainstream as well Yahoo movies: movies.yahoo.com/movie/1807839024/info"B" (thousands polled, critics polled) Unlike films, like, say, "Highlander 2" or "Elektra", where there's NO controversy. People really disliked it or hated those. Maybe (ironically) the battles keep the film alive because there's such strong feelings both ways. Particularly when battles come up that have nothing to do with film criticism. It's like some like to fight just to fight.  |
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Post by stargazer01 on Aug 31, 2011 1:20:18 GMT -5
Just saw this link on twitter and WOW, wonderful review of SR! I've read many good/great reviews on the film, but this one is my favorite right now. So yeah I wanted to share it here for those interested. I know some don't like links, so I'll post the whole review. Oh and check out the site, looks interesting. What Bryan Singer has done, with Superman Returns, is to create something lastingly sublime.
For all the changes Singer has wrought, Superman has never been more Superman. He has never been more comfortable and at ease with his godlike powers, yet he has never been more human — and it is in this humanity that Superman Returns, surprisingly, finds its real strength.
Superficially, Singer has created a film that is at once a big-budget super-hero movie, a fantasy, an action flick, a disaster film, a romance with characters with butterflies in their stomachs, and a touching tale of adult feelings about legacies, children, fathers and sons, love, and regret. The film has sequences that outdo any number of action movies and big-budget super-hero films, including Singer’s own. What is far more amazing is that these different elements do not butt up against one another, but blend almost seamlessly into a whole. The sum is more than the total of its parts — it has that elusive movie magic.
What Singer has done is to create something so fused with Donner’s work as to be astounding simply as an artistic exercise. Yet Singer has managed to infuse this exercise with genuine emotion, with genuine freshness and wonder. The characters are obviously those of the Donner version, right down to the tiniest idiosyncrasy. Even the way Singer cuts from one shot to the next echoes Donner. But as impossibly close as each and every character is to Donner’s version, the characters are allowed to evolve. They change. Within the film, this is a theme: Superman has returned after five years, and life has gone on without him, with all the changes that brings. Outside the film, however, Singer has accomplished the impossible — fusing a new work with Donner’s, yet allowing that new work to breathe, to live and evolve as its own.
Here, then, is all the humor of the Donner films, that humor that made Siegel and Shuster’s strongman so unique in 1938. When it wants to be, Superman Returns is a remarkably funny film. Even in this, Singer has gotten Donner right or even outdone the original. The humor does not drag the film down, does not lessen the action or the very real feelings. Even better than Donner, Singer deftly balances the humor with the drama so as never to lapse into camp.
But if Singer has composed a remarkable love letter to Donner, he has also transcended Donner in some way. Brandon Routh not only succeeds at playing Christopher Reeve’s Superman, but somehow – impossibly — Routh feels like the definitive Superman. He looks the part even better than Reeve, and as we worry for Superman as never before on celluloid, we realize that it is Routh’s Superman, not Reeve’s, that we are feeling for.
More surprisingly, Singer moves the drama of the character into new and deeply touching terrain. For all of his masterful grace as he hovers above the planet and effortlessly stops crime after crime, Superman has also never been so utterly human, so sublime in his emotions, so capable of recognizing his own capacity for mistakes without screaming and turning the Earth backwards to undo some horror, as he did in the 1978 original. Singer’s Superman is even more unapproachable, even more unimaginably powerful than he has even been on film, yet we feel for him and identify with him as never before.
Singer may have used the super-hero as an action vehicle in his X-Men films, tingeing the action with feelings of youthful alienation and minority persecution, but in Superman Returns he has turned the super-hero into a parable about growing up, about learning to see outside of your own eyes through what you pass to your children, and about the way joys and sorrows blend in love and its fantasies.
When Lois and Richard, her fiancé, realize without saying it that no man can ever compare in a world with a Superman, it is more than simple deconstructive super-heroics the likes of which comic book readers have known for two decades. Here, there is a pathos, but without being pathetic. There is nothing cheap about it. Instead of humor, or superficial cleverness, or outright pathos, we get something sublime: the recognition of remainders in love, that we never compare with our supermen, or first loves, but that we love each other nonetheless and go on, generally without crying about it. It is here, as in many other scenes, that the film achieves the sublime, that bittersweet blending of sadness or regret with acceptance or even happiness. The film pauses, but only to let you think and feel its implications. It does not put up a rhetorical neon sign to tell you what it has just done, how clever it is or mature it is. Instead, as is always the case with the sublime, it simply is.
Consider Superman’s flight with Lois, a sequence that deliberately parallels their classic flight together in Donner’s original Superman. It is a phenomenally risky maneuver, given that this was one of the most memorable sequences in the original. Yet here the flight is tinged with regret, with nostalgia for the original and the simpler, earlier attraction between Lois and Superman. Still, it is phenomenally beautiful — in some ways more beautiful than the original, as Superman shares how he hears all the cries for help from the cityscape below, or as Lois reaches out to the skin of the water as they fly just above it. Singer knows that one can’t go home again, that one can’t redo Donner any more than Superman and Lois can just go back to how things were before he left. What Singer gives us is something also beautiful, but more sublime, meant to be appreciated in a more mature way. When the love theme from the original finally comes in, it is both wonderful for the love it signals, for how long it was noticeably and painfully absent, and also terribly sad because of how things have changed.
We weep. We marvel. The audience cheered as I have never seen it cheer at something intelligent, something legitimately affecting. Yet when the music and the dialogue quiets in the film, you could hear a pin drop and literally could feel how everyone is holding their breath.
What Bryan Singer has done is nothing less than a triumph, a super-hero film with great fun and shocking subtlety and more heart than just about any movie out there — and just about any Superman story ever made.
It is, in brief, a masterpiece.
For more on Superman Returns, consider my look at the prequel comics.www.sequart.org/magazine/1562/what-bryan-singer-has-done-with-superman-returns/  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 31, 2011 2:37:43 GMT -5
Star, thanks for putting up the review--- and those posters...wow... I LOVE those posters- I know that they're not real & fan made, but if they made one, I'd pick it up.
(The best one that I saw, apparently is almost impossible to get, of Lois and Supes, full body, in profile during their 'flying sequence' right before they land. But then again, the poster choices for SR were pretty odd, imo- the one of him floating over earth had an appropriate tone, but I like the montage one you have MUCH better...)
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