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Post by Metallo on Apr 28, 2012 16:18:58 GMT -5
Audiences in the theater I frequent were enthusiastic as heck for the trailer and especially for the film itself. One of the best theater experiences I ever had. Everybody applauded at all the right parts & came out smiling. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to exit the thread for awhile, as I hear fast footsteps & hardness of breath approaching ;D When I first saw the trailer with a theater full of people they didn't go crazy but there was a lot of whispering and talking about this new Superman movie when they realized what it was. |
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Post by MAVERICK on Apr 28, 2012 21:17:50 GMT -5
Funny how the people who defend the film also enjoyed the positive experiences during the trailers. Funny how the people who go out of their way to slam the film also experienced the negative experiences during the trailers. |
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Post by Metallo on Apr 28, 2012 21:52:53 GMT -5
Funny how the people who go out of their way to slam the film also experienced the negative experiences during the trailers. To steal one of your lines "THIS" |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 28, 2012 22:58:28 GMT -5
I loved the film, but was sad that the trailers weren't better- and that the times I'd seen the trailer in the theatres, my experience was much like Kev's.... a bit of apathy there. At the same time, everyone seems to forget SR made just about as much as Batman Begins, yet nobody pounces on that as a disappointment.  |
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Post by stargazer01 on Apr 28, 2012 23:28:17 GMT -5
What disappoints me the most is how some fans, who used to praise and love the film, gave their backs to Superman Returns soon after the reboot was announced and especially when MOS was given the greenlight with Snyder. I just can't understand how they can change like that. First they loved the movie and soon after they almost hate it and think it's shit. Lesson learned: Fanboys ARE fickle. Oh well, it is what it is. |
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Post by Jimbo on Apr 29, 2012 1:18:02 GMT -5
It's pretty easy to be fickle about SR when its own director became so fickle over it.
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Post by ye5man on Apr 29, 2012 5:27:27 GMT -5
Funny how the people who defend the film also enjoyed the positive experiences during the trailers. Funny how the people who go out of their way to slam the film also experienced the negative experiences during the trailers. No, that's not correct in my case. No, my colleagues weren't into it (they preferred RotS which says it all) but I don't recall seeing the trailers on big screen so I can't comment either way there. I personally loved the trailers. Your typical "Judo" tactics won't work for this argument. |
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Post by EvilSupes on Apr 29, 2012 5:46:08 GMT -5
Precisely. So, I was watching the SR teaser on YouTube last night, and saw many comments saying that it was seen in theaters with a full house and everybody went nuts. Did that happen to anybody here? Of course, *I* went fucking bonkers, but I swear, I was the only one in the completely packed theater. It was before one of the Harry Potter movies, and as soon as the Kent mailbox came up, it was almost like a sense of, "Ugh. Smallville's on TV. What's the point of this?" No one cared. There was no electricity through the room, like there should've been. When it was over, I just heard murmurs of, "Eh," and "Whatever," so it's very shocking to see that some people had the complete opposite experience. God, I would've LOVED to have had the audience applaud and cheer, that would've been something. I went on the opening day at my local cinema and only a handful of people turned up. I later learned that Pirates was on at the same time, and most of the people who turned up to see SR changed their minds and went to see Pirates instead. I was just glad to see a Superman movie on the big screen, I didn't let it bother me. |
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Post by MAVERICK on Apr 29, 2012 10:08:10 GMT -5
Your typical "Judo" tactics won't work for this argument. Nah, they work just fine. Like always.  Just like your typical tripping over yourself to run into this thread any time someone says something positive about the film tactics. ;D |
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Post by stargazer01 on Apr 29, 2012 10:58:08 GMT -5
It's pretty easy to be fickle about SR when its own director became so fickle over it. Seriously? That's some really weird logic to me. A lot of insecure people out there, including Singer. But he's not the only one who has done that apparently; I heard that Dune director, David Lynch, also distanced himself from that film in a similar way like Singer. And SR was a lot more successful than that movie in general. Guess big time movie directors are really fragile inside. People should also hate Star Wars after all the shit Lucas has done to it. heck, I even tried to not care about SR for a while, haha.. but it didn't work. It's a film that moves me like few others do. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 11:46:39 GMT -5
You TRIED to not care about SR? That's....interesting.
So, can people's opinion never change, then? You like something once, you must always like it?
I believe some of you think some of us have an ulterior motive involved with our opinion of SR. When it first came out, I absolutely loved it. Over time, that has lessened to just like it a good amount. This happened naturally. No one here skewed my opinion. I didn't change my opinion to be cool and hip and go with the internet flow. I just began not liking a lot of things about the movie. It happened with the prequels to a much larger extent, and even Return of the Jedi. These things happen.
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Post by MAVERICK on Apr 29, 2012 12:24:37 GMT -5
Kevin, I don't think you have an ulterior motive. That's fairly absurd. ;D I simply think Russ breaks his neck to run in & suck the joy out of the room any time that Gazer posts something positive about SR. Anyone who isn't a moron can see that. It's no different than Enrique with LOTR. Its funny at first, then tiresome.  Russ, we get it, you don't like Routh's Neck & Christopher Reeve should be everyones Baby Daddy.  But you know what? It's a message board, & its all about opinions.......... & dead horses. Its all good, lads. ;D |
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Post by ye5man on Apr 29, 2012 12:25:53 GMT -5
Same here Kev. Its no secret I loved AotC on first viewing. Now I hate it
Perhaps even more embarrassing, VtaK was once my fave Bond (during teens) though it was tied with "Spy". Now its my candidate as the worst.
My opinions of films have changed a lot over the years, I suspect pretty much like all of you.
I have zero motive about my opinions on any films too. I'm not here to change anyone's opinions; I have no interest in doing so. Yet I can't help feeling a few people have the wrong impression on that. Ah well, C'est la vie. Haters gonna hate and all that shit.
Actually, I am trying to think of films that grew on me more with each viewing; sadly can't think of any. I think you usually see flaws more each time. Maybe Star Trek Khan gets better. That's all I can think of.
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Post by stargazer01 on Apr 29, 2012 13:14:49 GMT -5
Yup, last year when Singer basically gave his back to his own film. Why should I love his film when he doesn't show respect for it? Things is I do enjoy it a lot, no matter what Singer says or does. Yeah, but so soon? Can't say that it happens to me. At least not often. I can understand not feeling the same way about films you grew up watching as a child/teen when you become an adult. That happens to me often. Like STM, I used to absolutely love and think it was perfect. But it's not, IMO. I still love it but I can see plenty of faults in it. Kevin, I don't think you have an ulterior motive. That's fairly absurd. ;D I simply think Russ breaks his neck to run in & suck the joy out of the room any time that Gazer posts something positive about SR.
Anyone who isn't a moron can see that. It's no different than Enrique with LOTR.
Its funny at first, then tiresome.
Russ, we get it, you don't like Routh's Neck & Christopher Reeve should be everyones Baby Daddy. THIS. ;D |
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Post by Metallo on Apr 29, 2012 13:28:45 GMT -5
Same here Kev. Its no secret I loved AotC on first viewing. Now I hate it Perhaps even more embarrassing, VtaK was once my fave Bond (during teens) though it was tied with "Spy". Now its my candidate as the worst. My opinions of films have changed a lot over the years, I suspect pretty much like all of you. I have zero motive about my opinions on any films too. I'm not here to change anyone's opinions; I have no interest in doing so. Yet I can't help feeling a few people have the wrong impression on that. Ah well, C'est la vie. Haters gonna hate and all that shit. Actually, I am trying to think of films that grew on me more with each viewing; sadly can't think of any. I think you usually see flaws more each time. Maybe Star Trek Khan gets better. That's all I can think of. Do you still like Batman Forever? My view on that movie has warmed somewhat in recent years but its still a pretty weak effort IMO. Two of the worst superhero movie villains ever |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 13:34:22 GMT -5
I find Batman and Robin more watchable than Batman Forever. At least BnR is full on stupid throughout. In BF, the stupid just comes out of nowhere and really fucks shit up.
heck, the reverse happened with Super 8. I hated it in theaters. It did NOTHING for me. Then on bluray, I fell in love with it. And that was a heck of a quick turn around from theaters to video.
Iron Man 2 gets better and better every time I watch it and I thought it was pretty bland the first time around.
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Post by MAVERICK on Apr 29, 2012 13:55:57 GMT -5
Yeah, just watched Iron Man 2 again.
It gets better each time but the only thing I cant get over or forgive is the recasting of Rhodey.
In the first movie you TOTALLY buy him as a military man. Even though he's younger, he comes off as Tony's older brother, taking care of Tony like a brat little brother that Tony can be.
But in the second movie, it seems like Rhodey is on Tony's jock or something. Not cocksure or cool at all.
Fuck them for that recasting. It REALLY tarnishes part 2. All he asked for as what he was paid the first time. He should have gotten it. Every time I see Cheadle on screen, I'm sitting there not buying him as a badass & trying to picture Howard in the War Machine suit.
FEH I say. FEH.
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Post by eccentricbeing on Apr 29, 2012 13:58:27 GMT -5
I think a lot of us can get caught up with the collective conscious and expectations from hype that when we first see the movie, you either love it, hate it, or feel eh about it. It's only during a period of time where you can watch the movie objectively that you either appreciate what it's doing and love it or realize its many faults and not like it.
I also think there's a lot of passion towards SR, which is cool. And I know how some members don't like it and often express how they don't like it, which is cool I guess. Just don't take the matter personal. And it's not even about opinions really. At this point, this is about maintaining harmony on this thread...but thats kinda hard because SR is a controversial topic.
My feelings for SR has been in "eh" territory, but I expressed that a long time ago. I hate repeating myself honestly, but that's how threads get 200 pages. And it's always the negative opinions that give threads life. Go figure.
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Post by ye5man on Apr 29, 2012 14:23:35 GMT -5
Metallo, I've not watched any of the original Bat films in over a decade now; I am sure my opinions have changed. At the time, BF seemed to be the only original strong entry (stupid films can still be strong, Star Trek 7 + 9, Terminator 3, Rocky 2 are examples). I did put on Bats 89 not that long ago (interest ignited by recent flicks) but lasted about 10 mins. Awful, horrid nonsense; it astounds me to this day how popular this crap got. Marketing par excellence from the same studio that didn't bother marketing Superman Returns. I'll never understand it It's no different than Enrique with LOTR. Remind me of that next time I start a new "Bash SR thread" ending with "MWHAHAHA" Unlike Enrique, we're talking a Superman film. I wanted it to be so glorious. I think people forget that's the real issue. |
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Post by Metallo on Apr 29, 2012 14:46:31 GMT -5
I find Batman and Robin more watchable than Batman Forever. At least BnR is full on stupid throughout. In BF, the stupid just comes out of nowhere and really fucks shit up. heck, the reverse happened with Super 8. I hated it in theaters. It did NOTHING for me. Then on bluray, I fell in love with it. And that was a heck of a quick turn around from theaters to video. Iron Man 2 gets better and better every time I watch it and I thought it was pretty bland the first time around. Batman Forever could have been a good film. The elements are there. B&R never stood a chance. Iron Man 2 for me is one of those movies with some great moments but they never really connect. The sequence at the race track when Tony breaks out the suitcase armor is EPIC. The climax with Whiplash is an anti climax. Mickey Rourke was great casting but I think Jeff Bridges was a much better villain in the first one. Yeah, just watched Iron Man 2 again. It gets better each time but the only thing I cant get over or forgive is the recasting of Rhodey. In the first movie you TOTALLY buy him as a military man. Even though he's younger, he comes off as Tony's older brother, taking care of Tony like a brat little brother that Tony can be. But in the second movie, it seems like Rhodey is on Tony's jock or something. Not cocksure or cool at all. Fuck them for that recasting. It REALLY tarnishes part 2. All he asked for as what he was paid the first time. He should have gotten it. Every time I see Cheadle on screen, I'm sitting there not buying him as a badass & trying to picture Howard in the War Machine suit. FEH I say. FEH. I thought Howard had a much better chemistry with Downey than Cheadle did. They are BOTH pretty f*cking soft to play a guy like Rhodes who was a good guy but who could be tough too. I guess thats why they changed him from Army to Air Force (that and Tony having a relationship with the USAF makes a little more sense in this day in age). Cheadle was just blah in the role...and he is like the least intimidating man I've ever seen despite being a great actor. He looks smaller than Downey. Since Iron Man seems to have picked up the torch from the previous Bond series in many ways I guess Jim Rhodes is the new Felix Leiter Metallo, I've not watched any of the original Bat films in over a decade now; I am sure my opinions have changed. At the time, BF seemed to be the only original strong entry (stupid films can still be strong, Star Trek 7 + 9, Terminator 3, Rocky 2 are examples). I did put on Bats 89 not that long ago (interest ignited by recent flicks) but lasted about 10 mins. Awful, horrid nonsense; it astounds me to this day how popular this crap got. Marketing par excellence from the same studio that didn't bother marketing Superman Returns. I'll never understand it It's no different than Enrique with LOTR. Remind me of that next time I start a new "Bash SR thread" ending with "MWHAHAHA" Unlike Enrique, we're talking a Superman film. I wanted it to be so glorious. I think people forget that's the real issue. The old Batman films were much more about style over substance (the Nolan films have the substance but are short on style). Batman Forever was the first film to REALLY try to tell a complex story about Bruce Wayne but the execution f***ing sucked. Kilmer is a decent Batman but he should have been FAR better coming off Tombstone. I always heard he and Schumacher hated each other so thats probably why. In the end he seemed to be doing warmed over Michael Keaton only not as intense or dark or quirky. I have to laugh at him every time he's standing in the Batcave shirtless. A stiff breeze could kick his ass. Bale looked like a real athlete/fighter in Batman Begins. Batman 89 got marketed so hard because they had a sh**load of merchandise to sell. Thats how it always works with WB. Not as easy to give Superman a new toy car or a new toy jet to put on the shelves for the kids. Batman 89 was seen as a prime opportunity for a multimedia marketing and merchandising blitz. And it worked big time. Huge success. But sadly thats how we ended up with bullsh** like Batman & Robin. They were talking about the toys before the film was even shooting. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 29, 2012 17:00:38 GMT -5
Metallo, you're right about everything concerning merchandise and such but you're forgetting something. The reason Burton/Keaton left and the Schumaker films were the way they were was because of the parents that complained about McDonalds selling toys for Batman Returns in their happy meals. Parents didn't like their kids playing with toys based off of a film with dark and gothic overtones. Thus, McDonalds complied, and eventually WB did as well.
Had that not have happened, I'm certain that the Schumaker films would've been set in the same universe and had the same tone as the Burton films. I'm pretty sure Joel has said in an interview that he liked the setting Burton had set up for the franchise and didn't want to change it, but the studio forced him to.
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Post by Metallo on Apr 29, 2012 17:18:27 GMT -5
I think most of us remember all that controversy. As a kid I never got the big deal. The darkness of Batman Returns didn't bother me at all. It was a Batman movie. Even the new freakish Penguin didn't seem to warrant that outcry. The only scene that seemed really mean was Catwoman's first "death." Maybe the scene when Penguin bit that guys nose and he had blood running down his mouth too. I'll grant the detractors that.
The course of the Batman franchise in the 90's reminded me of the course of the Robocop franchise in the 90s. 2nd film is lambasted as being too violent and we end up with a lot of changes.
Batman Returns was indeed one reason Batman Forever ended up so much lighter but even their non Batman properties ended up being just as hokey. Schumacher may not have gone as day glow as he did but I figured he would have lightened it up to a degree no matter what because Hollywood always does that even when something is a success. They always get greedy and want to appeal more to kids to make more money. Look at Conan The Destroyer. Its especially when it comes to comic book based movies and tv.
I don't think its as bad now because nobody wants to be the next Joel Schumacher.
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Post by ye5man on Apr 29, 2012 18:30:13 GMT -5
Is...that really true??
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 29, 2012 18:43:53 GMT -5
Maybe the scene when Penguin bit that guys nose and he had blood running down his mouth too. I'll grant the detractors that. Schumacher may not have gone as day glow as he did but I figured he would have lightened it up to a degree no matter what because Hollywood always does that even when something is a success. They always get greedy and want to appeal more to kids to make more money. Not gonna lie, Penguin biting the guys' nose definitely scared me as a kid lol. But like almost everything else in movies that scared me as a kid, I can't stop laughing when I watch them now (Large Marge for example). As for all movie franchises going soft as more films are made, one series people never mention (like you said, mostly comic book films) is the Rocky series. Let's be honest here, Rocky 3 really changed the overall tone to the series, and Rocky 4 (my favorite movie ever, btw) IS basically a comic book. This is probably the only example where I agree with the softer route. But I blame that more on nostalgia than anything else. I may have watched the Rocky movies all the time as a kid, but 4 was the one I watched the most. I always considered part 1 and most of 2 quite boring. Funny we're on this subject now. Last night one of the movie channels did a Lethal Weapon marathon. I had never seen part 3 before and I was happy to see that for the most part the tone and style of the film is the same as the first 2. |
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Post by MerM on Apr 29, 2012 19:06:56 GMT -5
Yeah, just watched Iron Man 2 again. It gets better each time but the only thing I cant get over or forgive is the recasting of Rhodey. In the first movie you TOTALLY buy him as a military man. Even though he's younger, he comes off as Tony's older brother, taking care of Tony like a brat little brother that Tony can be. But in the second movie, it seems like Rhodey is on Tony's jock or something. Not cocksure or cool at all. Fuck them for that recasting. It REALLY tarnishes part 2. All he asked for as what he was paid the first time. He should have gotten it. Every time I see Cheadle on screen, I'm sitting there not buying him as a badass & trying to picture Howard in the War Machine suit. FEH I say. FEH. I don't hate Cheadle in the role, but you have a point... he is just kinda "there", not badass the way Howard would have been. |
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