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Post by Kirok on Mar 11, 2010 18:28:55 GMT -5
What's this about a period piece? I haven't seen anything indicating that they'd go in that direction, but I'd be up for it just so see such a fresh (yet faithful) take. Of course it does limit you franchise-wise aa far as potential villains go I'd imagine. Luthor...Brainiac...Hitler? You'd run out of acceptable villains for the time period pretty fast, and World War II would HAVE to be dealt with in some capacity. I feel the same way about Elfman's Batman theme but oh well... |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Mar 11, 2010 22:20:09 GMT -5
A Supes that looks like his hair is slicked back with a combination of motor oil and brill cream. No more 20-something pretty boys!!!!  damn UF... thats not bad.... Perfect. God, I'd LOOOOVE for it to be a period piece . Take from the book "It's Superman!" what they need, have an amazing realistic sci fi epic set in the 30's with John Hamm has Superman? Done. Do it. Do it now! I'm heaa! I.  thats an excellent novel!! made me thnk of how maybe a pre-suckage m.night shaymaylan may have done it, |
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Mar 11, 2010 22:52:42 GMT -5
They would be stupid not to get this guy! Period piece or not!  Dude turns 40 this year. They need to get going asap. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Mar 11, 2010 22:53:37 GMT -5
The Elfman Batman theme was originally made for "The Wolfman" back in 41'. I still love it regardless. Without turning this into a Batman thread I'll just say this. I like the new Batman movies. I think it's great that they can be done seriously, and that comic book stories CAN be accepted by mainstream moviegoers (as well as the academy). However, Batman is one of the first movies I remember seeing in the theater as a kid (I was 5 at the time), and for me, it'll always be the best one.
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Post by Matt in the Hat on Mar 11, 2010 23:35:03 GMT -5
So, pretty much make Superman Ala "The Phantom" or "The Shadow" you guys are saying? Would this not hinder the relate-ability to younger audiences? Putting the character into a "what-if-ish" kind of world? The main appeal to Superman is that each generation can find a common ground with what he should seem to be at the present time its released. Plopping him into anytime anywhere becomes more of a gimmick rather than if you set him in 2010. The goal of this new Superman should bring us into the character's world and what it should mean to be a man and a crusader who fights for truth, justice and the American way now. Basically I'm saying that it would hurt the project in the long run. We need a fresh break from anything in the past, but keep the basics of the story and characters with a contemporary twist on characterizations.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 12, 2010 0:18:26 GMT -5
Good points- For my own preference, I also don't really want to see a new set of Superman movies made as period pieces.
On other notes:
I'm glad that Routh hasn't officially been declared 'out'--- I'm crossing my fingers that Routh stays in.
Definitely WAY curious on what Nolan is going to do- as both he and Singer have expressed a giant love for the Donner Superman.
Will the origin be done as a quick recap?
Or will the origin not even be covered?
With Batman Begins, that was the first time the origin was REALLY done right.
With Superman--- it'll be interesting to see how this will be dealt with.
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 12, 2010 0:49:02 GMT -5
I think Routh will have to be out. WB probably wants to distance the new movie as far from SR as possible.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 12, 2010 1:21:04 GMT -5
It might come down to how much Nolan may or may not want to use Routh....
If Nolan is adamant about using Routh, I can't see WB getting in his way.
But....God, no Katie Holmes as Lois Lane. Please. ;p
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Post by MerM on Mar 12, 2010 2:41:34 GMT -5
If Nolan meant what he said about SR, one would think that he recognizes how important Brandon was to the success of that film (err... IMO, of course).
Actually, one nagging question... has Singer said nothing about this whatsoever? After four years, that gag order must be over, right? I can't believe there's no comment from him about this, considering how personal SR obviously was to him.
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Post by Olly H 82 on Mar 12, 2010 5:54:23 GMT -5
Nolan is a smart guy and it would be silly of him not to go with Routh, after all the searching they have done in the past for a Superman it would save them a lot of time and hassle.
Remember when Batman Begins was announced they listened to the fans on who they wanted cast as Batman and the fans voted Bale. Routh has a lot of fans.
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Post by Gandy on Mar 12, 2010 7:06:30 GMT -5
I'm not worried about the actor, they'll get that right whoever it maybe.
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Post by Olly H 82 on Mar 12, 2010 7:08:41 GMT -5
Yeah i'm also surprised that Singer has said nothing in regards to Superman.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 12, 2010 9:14:36 GMT -5
You have a LOT of trust....
I would have, too- but--- history has proven to me, that NOBODY in Hollywood is perfect, and/or if they are- there are a million things that can go wrong up until the last minute that can screw things up.
Disappointments off the top: *Spiderman 3 w/Raimi (although apparently it's more to do with Sony/and producers, after all the info had come in), *Robocop 2 with Empire Strikes Back director Irvin Kershner---
As much as I respected and trusted Singer, I didn't breathe a sigh of relief until I actually saw SR and saw how much it worked. (imo)
Can Nolan cast someone that everyone can agree on as much as Routh?
Maybe.........
Is it certain?
Unfortunately, NO.
As with Singer, I trust Nolan/Goyer to put out a great film- but it's impossible NOT to hold it up to the other films, on some level including the casting.
Put it this way---- I don't see a giant campaign begging Nolan NOT to use Routh.
About Singer commenting: nobody knows for sure why he's not been allowed to talk about things from the beginning--- maybe things are still being worked out between WB/Singer/Nolan for possible involvement?
Maybe we'll get the official word......(oy. Another 4 years of waiting for an official announcement...) ;p
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Post by SupermanUF on Mar 12, 2010 13:41:24 GMT -5
You guys are crazy if you think he's going to keep Routh. Why would he? It was some other director's casting choice. From a purely artistic standpoint, Nolan is going to want to do things HIS way. He wants to distance himself as far as possible from Reeve, Donner, and Routh, I'm sure--which means he'll want his own new score, too, like he did with Batman. It's time to put the Donnerverse to bed. We'll always have it. It's not going anywhere. But it's time for a completely fresh take, which Superman hasn't really had in 30+ years. It's a good thing, guys.
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Post by Jack Tripper on Mar 12, 2010 16:59:50 GMT -5
i will be hugely disappointed if they make it a period piece. i just don't like the style. keep it modern please!
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Post by eccentricbeing on Mar 12, 2010 17:13:45 GMT -5
I'm willing to bet my life that Nolan is not going to bring back Routh. Nothing wrong with it either. That's like Nolan bringing back George Clooney for Batman Begins. Just doesn't fit the universe and I'm sure Nolan is creating a new Superman universe.
So yeah, new cast and everything. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Looking forward to it.
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 12, 2010 17:33:58 GMT -5
Sebastian needs to make a Superman manip out of that GQ cover.
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Post by Kirok on Mar 12, 2010 18:05:44 GMT -5
A middle ground between period piece and modernization would be a Batman '89 style world which is it's own timeless reality. There are computers and cars and advanced weaponry but at the same time a art deco architecture and and 30s/40s wardrobe. Metropolis could be a "city of the future" akin to the ones presented at the World's Fair. Superman: The Animated series (like Batman: The Animated Series before it) took this approach more or less.
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Post by SupermanUF on Mar 12, 2010 18:29:43 GMT -5
Even if it's not a period film, it could still have that feel. I hate to use the term "gritty," but if you look at the early Superman comic panels and the Fleischer cartoons, it's much more a "Superman of the streets." Who knows though. Maybe Nolan is itching to do a sci-fi flick, and he's going to really explore the alien aspect. Either way, I'm pretty damn excited about it.
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Post by Paul (ral) on Mar 12, 2010 18:43:14 GMT -5
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Post by belloq on Mar 12, 2010 20:21:22 GMT -5
If it truly is going to be a period piece like I keep hearing (set in 30s-40s) I'd be all for this. You can almost see it in your head just thinking about it. Where did this little tidbit of info come from? |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 12, 2010 22:02:27 GMT -5
Looking forward to it MORE if Routh were guaranteed to be involved.
It's not that others have necessarily lower or higher standards on this- it's....well, ultimately, it's all preference.
The movies are giant obviously to everyone on this board-
Nice that everyone is on the same page that Nolan/Goyer is a great thing; but it should be understandable how there can be some doubt about a major casting change when it's arguably unnecessary to do so.
If Routh were physically unable or unwilling to, that would be one thing- but it's not, in fact, it's the opposite: he wants to come back.
Thus--- probably one of the few strands in the air remaining to debate.
On the plus side, I'm sure it's either being tossed around or ruled out completely by one side or the other..... and we'll find out soon enough once they finish the casting process.
More waiting....but so long as the movies are on the fast track (FINALLY), it's far far better than worrying about things being in limbo forever.
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Post by Matt in the Hat on Mar 13, 2010 0:13:06 GMT -5
If a period style superhero character would need to be played by Mr. Jon Hamm, I believe they are still looking for a Captain America....perhaps maybe the right role for him...?
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Post by Kirok on Mar 13, 2010 2:17:13 GMT -5
Hamm is too old for Captain America, who's supposed to be a young soldier. My choice would be Mark Valley if not for the age factor. John Krasinski was the front runner for a while but thankfully that seems to have settled down. I like Jim Halpert, but he's no Captain America.
But now, back to your regularly scheduled thread...
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 13, 2010 5:30:35 GMT -5
The thread is bringing up an interesting point: Where is the preference for the new Superman film to be set?
SR seemed to lean in the direction of a cloudy sort-of present. I personally thought the omission of New York (or more of a fascimile) for Metropolis was a missed note, especially if SR was going to be a semi-Donner sequel anyways.
BB felt a bit more like a fantasy city--- leaned a bit towards the Blade Runner/horror side; TDK felt far more grounded in our reality, and the here and now.
All of Nolan's films so far have had a VERY dark tone- not just his superhero films.
Those wanting an uplifting happy happy Superman and Superman setting, I have a hunch will be disappointed..... and maybe make SR look bright and cheerful by comparison.
Still looking forward to it, but just sayin....
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