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Post by boogerdawson on Mar 30, 2010 10:37:57 GMT -5
I just hope that Chris Nolan gets himself a large banner for his office with Superman holding the word "Verisimilitude".
Don't have to be dark. Don't have to be hip. Just has to be Superman.
Hopefully a Superman for future generations.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 30, 2010 12:03:50 GMT -5
The curiosity factor will be this: will half of the movie be an origin, like STM and BB?
While I'm curious about the third Nolan Batman film (and how he plans to 'wrap it up' so to speak), I'm far more curious about his Superman film. Nolan said he used STM as a model for BB- (it sort of shows, in a good way). Wonder if that'll be the same for the new Nolan Supes.
Maybe an early script of it will leak, like it did for Batman Begins....hm....
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Post by Jack Tripper on Mar 30, 2010 12:50:45 GMT -5
if this movie does come to fruition i want it to be an origin story. i'm tired of the excuse that everyone knows superman's origin. False. what about kids who's first exposure to superman will be this movie? what about people who want a complete story? if this is a new story with a new cast and a new beginning, i want to see it from the beginning. this was one of my biggest problems with superman returns. it linked itself to the donner movies and therefore had no origin. a title card and krypton exploding do not count. i just feel that having no origin shows laziness and panders to the a.d.d. audience who needs action from the get go. they did an origin story in '78. why not now? they didn't use the excuse that everyone knows the origin from the comics. they told a complete story. that's all i want to see. unless it's a sequel, than there needs to be an origin. it just feels cheap otherwise.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 30, 2010 13:14:47 GMT -5
If it's a 'from the ground up' reboot, then I agree- If Krypton will have a new visualization (as well as the Fortress of Solitude, assuming it'll be there)--- then seeing it full-blown would not only be nice, it might really be necessary.
The only plus side to waiting so long for a real reboot, might be that sfx technology now exists that can make a 'whole' Krypton fully realized to the gills that had been seen in comics for decades- particulary when it falls apart. While the 1978 Krypton was amazing, (and smartly designed to fit the giant budget that still had limits)--- with the advances in....yes, CGI.... Krypton's falling apart didn't feel as catastrophic, as, say, an fx sequence from "2012" or "Cloverfield" when a city falls apart. The tech just wasn't there at the time.
It's more than fine then, but with the level of what one can get from CGI now, a destruction of Krypton sequence now, would need to be amazing- and can be.
And....probably will be in 3d, as well. (hmn...)
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 30, 2010 13:21:16 GMT -5
By the way, speaking of 3d:
Louis Lettier (Hulk 2) spoke about creative adjustments in 3d in an interview w/"Aintitcoolnews":
Beaks: If you know you're shooting in or transferring to 3-D, does that force you to take even greater care with your compositions?
Leterrier: I guess so. It's not like I've been lazy with my compositions. You know what it changes most notably for me? My editing style. You know, it takes the eye twenty-two frames - there's twenty-four frames per second obviously - for the eye and the brain to adapt itself to the interocular, to the depth. So if you go from a close-up to a wide shot to a close-up to a wide shot... that's when you get the headache, and your pilot eye goes "Okay, I'm quitting because I can't understand this stuff." So I would tell my editors, "Guys, take it easy." I've always liked long takes, and I've always done long takes. I like looking at all the action, and not have it be chop-chop-chop and not know where all the characters are. That's the stuff that I think will change the most. And all of these 1980s, MTV-fueled editors will have to start drinking less coffee.
I could see that, but with the giant studios FORCING 3d on big films now, that's the thing that I imagine is the biggest obstacle- changing editing to fit the 3d experience, that may or may not be good as for 2d.
I guess the solution might be two slightly edited versions for 2d and 3d (which, if I read this interview right, might be what Louis is suggesting) theatres.....but, if not....that means one type of movie experience or the other might suffer. Hopefully it's not the 2d that ends up on the dvd.
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Post by boogerdawson on Mar 30, 2010 14:04:24 GMT -5
I'd like there to be an origin story too, if they were to bring Brandon Routh back it will give him an opportunity to create his own stance on the character instead of having to refer to Chris Reeve.
For me, the hardest thing about a "clean slate" would be having the affiliation with the new Superman, that I/we had with the Reeve movies.
Part of me wants to scrutinize and question every decision that Nolan's team is going to make over the next few years, the other half wants to just lay back and go see the movie the day it opens and be blown away!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2010 17:28:25 GMT -5
I think that goes for all of us.
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Post by atp on Mar 30, 2010 18:12:25 GMT -5
It's more than fine then, but with the level of what one can get from CGI now, a destruction of Krypton sequence now, would need to be amazing- and can be. Try to do it in CGI please. |
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Post by boogerdawson on Mar 31, 2010 9:02:24 GMT -5
It was already done in CGI in Superman Returns, wasn't the Krypton destruction CGI animated?
It'd be cool to see a new take on Krypton and Kryptonians, can they steer clear of crystals, or is that myth so embedded in Superman-lore like the batcave or spider-sense?
What would the government think of a Superman appearing, would they feel threatened by it? Would they try to use Superman for their own devices?
Wasn't there a mention of that in Frank Miller's The Dark Knight? One of the reasons Batman and Superman didn't get along was "Superman pandering to the government".
My comic book lore isn't 100% (not even 60%) so I may be wrong on that one. I just mentioned The Dark Knight, because Nolan is involved and if he's taking the best of Frank Miller for his Batman movies, he may have circled that point for Superman.
I think that their main agenda is to make Superman a hero today's generally apathetic and cynical generation can relate to, he may not be completely infallible, he may be even more human than Brandon Routh's take.
Sure Reeve was a great Superman, but his take on it would be sneered by many today, even watching Superman recently on the big screen, it was hard for the entire audience to accept his "truth, justice and American way" stance, even though they had Lois brush it off in 1978 and they didn't go the whole hog, cutting off "American way" in 2006, it's going to be a difficult one to pull off, to appease the die hard fans and to bring in the kids who want to be Superman and not Batman.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Mar 31, 2010 10:44:21 GMT -5
i would love to see a film that is planned as a series, and with a solid foundation built around krypton as story material that even average movie goers would feel was "EPIC".
i want to spend more than 15 minutes on krypton. i want to see a world and a culture that is layered and fascinating. explore Zod's motivations- make him almost sympathetic.
see, typically the origin is like " ok here's krypton- its gonna blow up in ten minutes....yawn.... oh, nice explosions. "
it'll only really succeed if people get INVESTED in the people/culture so when in that last moment lara is crying and jor is programming the ship...there wont be a dry -eye in the house.
i want to FEEL the loss.
in fact, always hope for a godfatherII formula with segments going back and forth with jor on krypton and kal on earth fighting the same adversary and tying the ends together.
...and polar bears.
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Post by boogerdawson on Mar 31, 2010 11:17:56 GMT -5
i would love to see a film that is planned as a series, and with a solid foundation built around krypton as story material that even average movie goers would feel was "EPIC". i want to spend more than 15 minutes on krypton. i want to see a world and a culture that is layered and fascinating. explore Zod's motivations- make him almost sympathetic. see, typically the origin is like " ok here's krypton- its gonna blow up in ten minutes....yawn.... oh, nice explosions. " it'll only really succeed if people get INVESTED in the people/culture so when in that last moment lara is crying and jor is programming the ship...there wont be a dry -eye in the house. i want to FEEL the loss. in fact, always hope for a godfatherII formula with segments going back and forth with jor on krypton and kal on earth fighting the same adversary and tying the ends together. ...and polar bears. I'd like an extended origin as well, even if we saw Zod as a member of the council, plotting his takeover, only having it thwarted and then assembling his minions to aid him in ransoming the planet's defenses, only he is caught and destroys them, if he can't have total control, no one can. Dare I say, show Lara give birth to Ka-lel whilst Zod seals the fate of the planet? It'll never happen, but it's fun to dream. Wouldn't have polar bears though. Maybe one. Or two. Three tops!! Roll on Batman III so Superman can get going. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 31, 2010 11:22:15 GMT -5
Agreed! Though.... sadly, it seems now that studios backing any back-to-back sequel shoots are an EXTREME rarity. Even when LOTR's trilogy back to back was a giant hit, there was an article mentioning how the idea of making such a gamble up front for two films was STILL not attractive to studios. The way that Donner's Krypton blew up (no kids, just old senior citizens all over the planet except for Susannah York) - it made you feel a bit sad to see that, and you get the tragedy, but I agree, it didn't induce tears. I wonder if a truly effective destruction of Krypton might be too intense and generate/threaten an 'r' rating, though if Nolan could escape an 'r' rating for Dark Knight, he'll know how to pull it off for Supes, if he wants. Speaking of which..... even from the title, I wonder if ANY director of note is going to touch this, given anything good that comes from it will be credited to Nolan?  On another note- if Braniac/Lex are being used--- since Goyer and Geoff Johns are best buds, it may be highly possible that Goyer will implement a lot of what Johns used in his "Brainiac" saga in the comics- which tied in a LOT with old Krypton. Here's a thought: if there's a rough draft for a trilogy a la Batman, then.... how will they/and will they have Supergirl--- and how will they figure THAT one out, without being too convoluted?  |
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Post by atp on Mar 31, 2010 11:24:12 GMT -5
It was already done in CGI in Superman Returns, wasn't the Krypton destruction CGI animated? . True, but that just showed the planet exploding. I'm thinking more along the lines of going around Krypton and seeing destruction of key monuments in individual cities. |
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Post by boogerdawson on Mar 31, 2010 11:32:38 GMT -5
It was already done in CGI in Superman Returns, wasn't the Krypton destruction CGI animated? . True, but that just showed the planet exploding. I'm thinking more along the lines of going around Krypton and seeing destruction of key monuments in individual cities. You know, for some reason whenever I see the cover and inlay images of Queen's News Of The World album, I think of Krypton. It'd be good to see a real Pompeii style, end of civilisation destruction of Krypton. The flip side to that, is having "younglings" and corny set ups, like in Supergirl where they had glimpses of the school and how advanced these kids are, which only makes you want to root for the Red Sun! Abrams did it brilliantly in Star Trek, where he had Kirk's birth being the centre of an attack, Kirk's father's dilemma, his sacrifice and his son's destiny wrapped up in a perfect opening 10/15 mins. (I really should buy that movie). |
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Post by boogerdawson on Mar 31, 2010 11:35:19 GMT -5
Agreed! Though.... sadly, it seems now that studios backing any back-to-back sequel shoots are an EXTREME rarity. Even when LOTR's trilogy back to back was a giant hit, there was an article mentioning how the idea of making such a gamble up front for two films was STILL not attractive to studios. The way that Donner's Krypton blew up (no kids, just old senior citizens all over the planet except for Susannah York) - it made you feel a bit sad to see that, and you get the tragedy, but I agree, it didn't induce tears. I wonder if a truly effective destruction of Krypton might be too intense and generate/threaten an 'r' rating, though if Nolan could escape an 'r' rating for Dark Knight, he'll know how to pull it off for Supes, if he wants. Speaking of which..... even from the title, I wonder if ANY director of note is going to touch this, given anything good that comes from it will be credited to Nolan? On another note- if Braniac/Lex are being used--- since Goyer and Geoff Johns are best buds, it may be highly possible that Goyer will implement a lot of what Johns used in his "Brainiac" saga in the comics- which tied in a LOT with old Krypton. Here's a thought: if there's a rough draft for a trilogy a la Batman, then.... how will they/and will they have Supergirl--- and how will they figure THAT one out, without being too convoluted? If they really wanted to bring in Supergirl, they could have Jor-el entrust in his brother/cousin that the planet is doomed. Maybe some Kryptonians build their own ships, taking their families away, where Jor-el and his wife are doomed by Jor-el word that "neither I, nor my wife will leave Krypton." But then, I'm using another script entirely. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Apr 1, 2010 10:38:07 GMT -5
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Post by Jimbo on Apr 1, 2010 17:09:55 GMT -5
It's April 1, trust nothing.
The part at the bottom says it all.
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Post by Kirok on Apr 1, 2010 18:54:28 GMT -5
Obviously another April Fool's story, but very well done. Is it wrong that I'd like to see alot of what was mentioned in the actual Batman 3? The idea of overwhelming Batman with an onslaught of villains is definitely the way to go as opposed to trying to top the Joker with a "bigger, badder" main villain. I'd lose Hush but Riddler, Penguin, Catwoman, and the remnants of the mob would all do nicely.
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Post by stargazer01 on Apr 14, 2010 14:14:59 GMT -5
The newest candidate to play Superman in the reboot.... recognize him? I think Sebastian won't like this.   ;D |
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Post by Jimbo on Apr 14, 2010 14:41:08 GMT -5
Does it help that he's the best actor/character on Smallville right now.  |
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Post by Legsy on Apr 14, 2010 17:50:21 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D
The Welling can't act.
He just has his Sassy face.
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Post by Kirok on Apr 15, 2010 16:45:52 GMT -5
I find that suggestion particularly amusing because when he first came on "Smallville" I thought he looked like a blonde Brandon Routh. No way they cast him as Superman though. If they'd consider casting the Green Arrow from "Smallville" you think they'd consider casting Clark Kent from "Smallville" as well. And as cool as that would be (to legs and myself), I seriously doubt that would happen either. Link on the Hartley story? |
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Post by Paul (ral) on Apr 16, 2010 4:21:22 GMT -5
I find that suggestion particularly amusing because when he first came on "Smallville" I thought he looked like a blonde Brandon Routh. No way they cast him as Superman though. If they'd consider casting the Green Arrow from "Smallville" you think they'd consider casting Clark Kent from "Smallville" as well. And as cool as that would be (to legs and myself), I seriously doubt that would happen either. Link on the Hartley story? Well...if the Human Torch can be Captain America... |
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Post by Kal-Ex on Apr 16, 2010 7:58:27 GMT -5
I find that suggestion particularly amusing because when he first came on "Smallville" I thought he looked like a blonde Brandon Routh. No way they cast him as Superman though. If they'd consider casting the Green Arrow from "Smallville" you think they'd consider casting Clark Kent from "Smallville" as well. And as cool as that would be (to legs and myself), I seriously doubt that would happen either. Link on the Hartley story? Well...if the Human Torch can be Captain America... Justin Hartley was also Aquaman in the pilot of the serie… he cannot plays all the DC characters  |
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