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Post by stargazer01 on Mar 15, 2010 11:44:30 GMT -5
((The guy from "Madmen")) Has a good look--- but..... am I the only one that thinks he kind of looks like an older version of Christian Bale?Speaking of which.......is it impossible that Nolan would use Christian Bale as Superman? Bale ends up in most of Nolan's films, and (presumably) both films won't be shooting at the same time--- How would people feel about that scenario? You're not the only one. To me, John Ham screams Batman. He could even make a good Lex Luthor. And isn't he too short and old? WB would never invest hundreds of millions of dollars on him. It's not going to happen. |
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Post by Paul (ral) on Mar 15, 2010 12:31:29 GMT -5
((The guy from "Madmen")) Has a good look--- but..... am I the only one that thinks he kind of looks like an older version of Christian Bale?Speaking of which.......is it impossible that Nolan would use Christian Bale as Superman? Bale ends up in most of Nolan's films, and (presumably) both films won't be shooting at the same time--- How would people feel about that scenario? You're not the only one. To me, John Ham screams Batman. He could even make a good Lex Luthor. And isn't he too short and old? WB would never invest hundreds of millions of dollars on him. It's not going to happen. Since Batman and Superman look similar in the comics then why can't he be Superman. The dude is 39 and just over 6ft. 39 ain't old and 6ft is tall. WB invested hundreds of millions in an unknown! So it could happen  |
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Post by stargazer01 on Mar 15, 2010 13:17:55 GMT -5
You're not the only one. To me, John Ham screams Batman. He could even make a good Lex Luthor. And isn't he too short and old? WB would never invest hundreds of millions of dollars on him. It's not going to happen. Since Batman and Superman look similar in the comics then why can't he be Superman. The dude is 39 and just over 6ft. 39 ain't old and 6ft is tall. WB invested hundreds of millions in an unknown! So it could happen This is live action.. And to me Superman is full of goodness; I don't see that in Ham's face/eyes. He's too dark for me. Any way, I'm sure he won't be the one. ;D  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 15, 2010 13:23:08 GMT -5
Anything could happen- agreed- but, it's all in Nolan's hands...
Originally, I actually thought Reeve was too young to play Superman BEFORE I saw the movies- but, if anything, having Reeve be that age helped for sequels that came later. After STM- I had zero problem with a Superman being 25, so long as it could be pulled off and not look...well...'wrong'.
Ironically, maybe those who thought Routh was a bit too young in SR might be fine now with him, given how many years have passed....
Plus--- who knows? If Nolan/Goyer secretly had a plan for sequels to Batman Begins, maybe they have one for Superman. If so, they'd need to think ahead about the actor's age and look over (possibly) a ten-year span.
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 15, 2010 13:27:27 GMT -5
And to me Superman is full of goodness;   |
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Post by stargazer01 on Mar 15, 2010 13:41:34 GMT -5
;D I'm pretty sure those images are out of context. They do that sometimes for the shock factor, especially during the silver age and back. However, let's remember that Superman also believes in justice, so maybe Bats deserved that. So.. ever wondered how would Bale would look in the supersuit?  So wrong, haha |
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 15, 2010 13:48:13 GMT -5
I raise you...  |
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Post by Legsy on Mar 15, 2010 15:06:40 GMT -5
However, let's remember that Superman also believes in justice You forgot to mention "truth and all that stuff". |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Mar 15, 2010 18:42:35 GMT -5
wasnt kirk alyn and george reeves a bit on the short side? heck tom cruise is a midget, my MAN HUMPHREY BOGART was short. they never looked short on film- the angles and supporting cast was built around making them look tall. btw- "routh=lazenby" ..... ;D wait....  |
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Post by Legsy on Mar 15, 2010 18:49:54 GMT -5
Bale was almost Superman splashpage.mtv.com/2010/03/15/christian-bale-superman-wolfgang-petersen-batman-vs-superman/MTV's SplashPage discovered via an interview with Wolfgang Peterson that back in 2003 Christian Bale was very nearly cast in the role of Superman for his never-made "Batman vs. Superman" film. In an exclusive interview, Petersen - director of such blockbuster fare as "Air Force One," "Outbreak," "The Perfect Storm" and "The Neverending Story" - told us that Bale was among the two actors he met with for the role of Superman, with Josh Harnett being the second candidate. And according to the helmer, the film nearly happened. "It was pretty close," said Petersen. "And then the studio got a single Superman script I think from J.J. Abrams at that time, and [Warner Bros. chief] Alan Horn was so torn - because it's such a fascinating concept to do a Batman versus Superman film. And I still think it would be to do that. But the studio decided to try separate version of Superman and Batman, and then maybe think about down the road if you want to bring them together in one film." |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 15, 2010 22:53:12 GMT -5
Hopefully, after Batman 3- WB DOESN'T reboot Batman and recast, but offer Nolan/Goyer to godfather Batman 4,5,6,7.... with Bale-
And keep Superman films for Routh.
But having Bale as both Batman AND Superman?
I was fine with Bale as Batman and John Connor (though he wasn't in that nearly enough)- but I hope that Nolan isn't EVEN entertaining the idea of Bale as Superman..... that'd just be TOO much, imo.
Or are there others who would want Bale over Routh for the new movie? just curious...
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 16, 2010 1:38:04 GMT -5
btw- "routh=lazenby" ..... ;D wait.... Lazenby was one-and-done by his own choice. Routh is more like Conan O'Brien. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 16, 2010 2:52:27 GMT -5
Agreed.....but hopefully it'll be Routh becomes more like Sean Connery, instead. (Didn't he come back TWICE to Bond after being 'retired'?)  |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Mar 16, 2010 8:21:55 GMT -5
Bale was almost Superman splashpage.mtv.com/2010/03/15/christian-bale-superman-wolfgang-petersen-batman-vs-superman/MTV's SplashPage discovered via an interview with Wolfgang Peterson that back in 2003 Christian Bale was very nearly cast in the role of Superman for his never-made "Batman vs. Superman" film. In an exclusive interview, Petersen - director of such blockbuster fare as "Air Force One," "Outbreak," "The Perfect Storm" and "The Neverending Story" - told us that Bale was among the two actors he met with for the role of Superman, with Josh Harnett being the second candidate. And according to the helmer, the film nearly happened. "It was pretty close," said Petersen. "And then the studio got a single Superman script I think from J.J. Abrams at that time, and [Warner Bros. chief] Alan Horn was so torn - because it's such a fascinating concept to do a Batman versus Superman film. And I still think it would be to do that. But the studio decided to try separate version of Superman and Batman, and then maybe think about down the road if you want to bring them together in one film." i still think this would have been cool. |
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Post by Legsy on Mar 16, 2010 10:48:51 GMT -5
I agree. I was stoked when I first heard the news, seems like eons ago.
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 16, 2010 12:12:44 GMT -5
Agreed.....but hopefully it'll be Routh becomes more like Sean Connery, instead. (Didn't he come back TWICE to Bond after being 'retired'?) Routh is done, gone. It's time to accept it. The mythos is getting rebooted, and everything will be replaced. Will Pierce Brosnan ever replace Daniel Craig as Bond? Nuh uh. |
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Post by Legsy on Mar 16, 2010 12:26:50 GMT -5
To quote Metallica around the time they souled out, "Sad But True".
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 16, 2010 13:25:12 GMT -5
I still think Nolan and WB are wild cards in that regard. If Nolan sees everyone on the planet, and decides that Routh is still better than anyone else he's seen--- would he want to fight for Routh? Brosnan was getting a little on the older side as Bond- although I would have been fine with one more Brosnan bond. Routh is still a young guy- Anyhow..... you may well be right, but until it's official, I'm still crossing fingers that they keep Routh. And if it's not Routh, I'll cross my fingers that it's not Christian Bale! The guy is great as Batman, but I'm not ready to see him as both characters--- (Plus, if WB wants a Batman/Superman movie down the line, that would be a LITTLE odd that Clark Kent without glasses looks exactly like Superman AND Bruce Wayne). Whoever gets cast....... big shoes to fill. The first discussions here seemed to debate whether or not there would be an MOS or ANY Superman movie--- now that Nolan/Goyer are there, it seems to be: Who's gonna be Superman? Another waiting game....  |
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 16, 2010 14:24:13 GMT -5
It's pretty safe to call it. Superman will be recast.
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Post by Legsy on Mar 16, 2010 14:37:22 GMT -5
Yesh. If Routh gets rehired. I will tattoo your name on my ass.
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Post by HOSNI on Mar 17, 2010 1:25:40 GMT -5
Focusing on a reboot is making people dislike SR, and that sucks.
Superman came back, so you base the plot around that. Done. Part II you 100% shift the focus to a new villain and give us a battle of epic proportion. heckoooooooooooooo
If Routh spent most of the movie fighting Brainiac in space and around the world, wow. You can bet he'd have shrugged off the Reeve tag naturally.
And SR would have taken on a whole new light.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 17, 2010 2:56:44 GMT -5
Couldn't put it better myself!
That's exactly what I was seeing with Singer's MOS--- SR always felt like a transition film to me.... VERY similiar to what Batman Begins did, ironically. And in both cases, I was SO hoping that the filmmakers would have the opportunity to take it to the moon with the sequel. Nolan was given the opportunity with TDK, and it paid off great. Pity that Singer & WB couldn't make MOS happen.... *sigh*
On another note:
"Hulk 2" was interesting to me in that it sort-of felt like it served as both a sequel AND a reboot- to the disappointing "Hulk 1"---
Curious if Nolan's approach will be somewhat similiar in his version.
Wonder if Goyer's script will be leaked early, like Batman Begins?
I guess we'll see......
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Post by HOSNI on Mar 17, 2010 3:59:26 GMT -5
I've got a feeling Nolans film will look like the Fleischer cartoons with live actors set in the 30's. The opening credits will have a Spiderman feel to them covering the origin, one shot will be Ma Kent sewing a superman suit.
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Post by MerM on Mar 17, 2010 4:16:04 GMT -5
Ok, sleep-deprived Merm coming through...
The fact that SR more or less ends with a bunch of unresolved aspects really pisses me off. Not because of the aspects themselves, but because they're never going to be resolved (unless, like someone a few posts back said, Singer displays his ideas in comic-book form, or something like that).
I remember when I saw SR back on a Friday afternoon in 2006 (I had no idea until I bought the tickets the prior week that opening day was Wednesday! bastards), I was excited. I wanted more. SR, in my semi-humble opinion, was a beautiful film that, as much as it borrowed from STM, made a lot of bold choices and went in new directions. Man, what I came away from SR with most was how EPIC it felt - yeah yeah, there was a poll a while back that said it didn't seem epic, but the whole film felt BIG. Its scope was ambitious, and it sought to add things to the Superman legacy. I seem to recall a phrase that came into my mind around 2008 - or maybe I jacked it from someone else, who knows - "In Singer We Trust." No explanation needed.
That said... you know what I think should have happened? Singer should have realized that WB wasn't entirely happy with SR's grosses, halted everything Valkyrie-related, and jumped into the Superman sequel before the Brothers Warner chickened out entirely. Again, In Singer We Trust. After the events of Superman Returns, the potential was THERE! He could have taken the character places he'd never been before. Singer said he was going to go Wrath of Khan on it (and mind you, no matter how good Johnny Boy says The Motion Picture is now, it was considered an overproduced failure back in 1979).
Where am I going with this... so, if WB had been patient - or if Singer had said 'screw off' to Valkyrie and gotten his shit together for MOS - we wouldn't be in this fiasco now. My hope, unlikely as it may be, is that Brandon gets one more chance at being the Man of Steel. He has the chops for it, we all know he does, just... well, In Nolan We Trust?
Incidentally, and this isn't going to relate to anything... ATP, shut up. CGI Villains aren't funny anymore. Ripping on SR is almost as tired as ripping on the Prequels, or anything that isn't Warlock (thankfully, that quasi-meme is comatose, if not dead).
Ok, back to sleep... and coherency... night all.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 17, 2010 14:09:30 GMT -5
Seemed VERY coherent to me.
Totally agree on "Valkyrie"--- it was an ok film, but definitely was NOT worth the sacrifice of losing Singer's MOS.
In a number of ways, the Singer MOS situation to me in ways mirrors Donner's SII situation--- only with SII, thank goodness- at the very least- we got half of a sequel shot by Donner, and Reeve stuck around.
With SR--- I'm still holding out thin hope for Routh....... but the longer things go by, the less realistic it seems.....but then again, a Donner cut seemed unrealistic in any form, and so did the idea of a Christopher Nolan taking on Superman as well.
At the same time..... I forgot who mentioned it, but I agree- I know I'll like it, but I don't know if a Nolan Superman turns out to be what anyone really expects. With MOS, we had more than enough hints that there was going to be action from the get go from Singer and move forward--- with a ? reboot inspired by Goyer, who said openly he didn't feel like the right guy to write for Superman......
...well....
It'll be interesting to see what happens (if the world survives) years from now, what discussions will be like after the Nolan Superman will be. Hm.
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