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Post by ye5man on Nov 19, 2010 20:04:16 GMT -5
Just read the graphics novels prob the first time as a real adult
Random thoughts:
Death of Superman just seems a quick prologue to the events that followed. Pretty repetitive. How did he kill Doomsday so quickly after Doomsday kicked his ass all afternoon?
World without dragged at the start. Too much of Turpin exploring the tunnel. Got going during the second half.
Returns is fantastic. I love it. Biggest problem is 7 MILLION people died (think about 9-11) and it still gets a happy ending, lol.
Returns also had some good humour in it. I still don't fully understand how he came back exactly but I guess I can live with it.
Good stuff though, enjoyed it a lot. Going to read Doomsday; Hunter:
pray next.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Nov 20, 2010 11:43:27 GMT -5
I gotta say, I consider the entire "reboot" era of Superman to be a success based entirely on Death/Return. Every little plot thread from the previous three or four YEARS was wrapped up neatly in this.
"Reign of The Supermen" in particular is just spectacular. In those pre-internet days, I was RUNNING to the comic store every single week, and my buddies and I were constantly speculating about how each of them could possibly end up being the "real" Superman. And when he finally DID come back for real...just a great moment! Loved it.
Death/Return is even better if you're able to get your hands on lots of the single issues (which will probably never be collected) that led up to it. Just so you can see how all the little things added up. But, it stands so well on its own.
In the last couple of years, I filled in every possible hole in my post-1986 Superman collection. I have every single issue of Superman, Action, Adventure, and Man of Steel from the reboot up through Death/Return. 8 years of comics which fit snugly in ONE longbox. It's perfect, and the final chapter of Return puts the perfect cherry on top for that era of Superman. I don't need anything that came after.
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Post by ye5man on Nov 20, 2010 14:17:09 GMT -5
Shit dude, I really need to stay with you for a month, haha!
I read hunter/pray this AM but not that impressed. The inking is brilliant, but it doesn't feel as its in the same series as the others cos it looks so different. Story was underwhelming. So Doomsday and the Cyborg (his technology) both have Kryptonian heritage, same goes for Superman, his clone Superboy and Eradicator!
I read the "They saved Luthor's brain" GN later; a collection of Luthor stories that followed his "death" and rebirth. Enjoyed that a lot more
Going to read "Panic in the Sky" next. Not read it before.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2010 15:00:06 GMT -5
I was gonna tell you Hunter/Prey was pretty weak and not to expect much other than pretty art.
Panic in the Sky is total fun. If they made that into a cartoon movie, it would be fucking AWESOME.
The whole Death to Returns saga is my favorite storyline in the Superman comics. Like Val said, it really does take a HUGE amount of continuity into account and wraps a lot of it up. It was brilliant, all of it.
Leading up to the saga, I was loading up on back issues, and luckily had learned all about Hank Henshaw months before. When it turned out HE was the cyborg, I felt so goddamn lucky to have read the back issues. Made it all the better. Truly did.
Nothing will ever be as fun, comic wise, than running to the local comic shop every week to see where it was going and find out when Superman was coming back. Glory days.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Nov 20, 2010 15:02:04 GMT -5
Panic In The Sky is terrific fun!!!! I've got that Luthor one you mentioned, but only in various single issues. That entire run of Superman, from Exile to Krisis of The Krimson Kryptonite, to Panic, to Death/Return is just consistently good.
When you come for a visit, you are, of course, welcome to stay with me and Sarah. Feel free to rummage through the comics!
Hunter/Prey isn't great. I just don't feel the story needed revisiting, especially that soon after the original.
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Post by ye5man on Nov 20, 2010 15:58:31 GMT -5
I've had Hunter/Prey since the mid/late 90s so I've read it a few times already. A pity the story is weak. Too many plot holes regarding linear men. I won't insult your intelligence why I think that.
I bought a comic at random about 20 years ago and it turned out to be the back story to Henshaw. How f'kin lucky was that? I knew who he was when I read the ROS waaaay back in 95. Too many comic title crossovers to follow; I prefer graphic novels as they are (reasonably) so self contained
Been reading a lot of stuff on Wiki about the universe. Some of it made my eyes roll, mostly they continued with Doomsday (making him less effective IMO). I want to read the stuff where Luthor is president and especially where Lex Luthor II is unmasked as the original.
The latest graph Novel I got was Transformed. Seeing what they did to the character turned me off buying any more. Guess that was late 90s,. I must about 30-5 graphic novels.
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Nov 24, 2010 10:03:04 GMT -5
Nothing will ever be as fun, comic wise, than running to the local comic shop every week to see where it was going and find out when Superman was coming back. Glory days. I agree 100%, the early to mid 90's was comic gold. Every Saturday morning I would go the local comic store to pick up the latest Superman comic. I just HAD to know what was happening, The Superman deal was HUGE at the time. Warner bros really DROPPED the ball not putting together a film based off this for 94 or 95. They could have made more money than the Batman films if done right. Then Batman Nightfall came, to epic long arch's from my favorite characters in a row. Those where the days... |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Dec 4, 2010 23:19:02 GMT -5
"panic in the sky" OWNS.
its actually a sequel to "brainiac trilogy".
they would make excellent animated or even live action flicks.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Dec 5, 2010 1:37:56 GMT -5
Whoah! Forgot about Brainiac Trilogy! Need to dig that out...
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Dec 6, 2010 11:54:09 GMT -5
yeah, the byrne-to-jurgens / man of steel- dooomsday is one of the best high-quality runs of any superhero comic book i'm aware of. i loved it. it is satisfying on every level.
the origin of the eradicator is one of the most interesting things to me- and artifact that vaguely reminds me of Jor's green crystal from STM- an inanimate piece of tech that evolves into a humanoid... damn cool. the most exciting was when eradicator "possesed" superman- turned his costume all kryptonian... damn that was bad-ass.
when "reign of the superman" came out i was riveted! didnt want it too end. val- you're right- it was EPIC. lord of the rings epic.
i remember thinking that it would have been really ballsy if the "REAL" superman was the cyborg- because this handsome man was so disfigured, it would have been edgy... and then maybe since the eradicator is A.I. maybe superman's "soul" would merge with eradicator and superman would look normal and maybe have different powers...
it was my speculation at the time. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2010 14:20:09 GMT -5
I actually pretty much at LEAST kinda enjoy every issue from Man of Steel #1 by Byrne to whatever last issue there was before the Zero Hour bullshit.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 17, 2010 12:07:15 GMT -5
I just bought the collected Legion "The Great Darkness Saga", and similiarly I remember much of my feelings about enjoying the book when it first came out in single issues was actually the anticipation of going to the store month after month, wondering what was going to happen next.
As a collected edition, while I love the hardback format and the slick paper- it doesn't quite feel the same. While there is a lot gained by the internet (ie the forum), there was something to be said about the pre-internet days, when the 'buzz' was chatting it up with people at the comic shop who you saw face to face, and only got the buzz there.
To me, the 'death/return of Superman' will always be tied into my memories of my friends' dragging me on a road trip to go store to store to collect/resell as many issues as he could get of the 'countdown' to the death of Supes, but also being on the road hearing all the story details from him (I wasn't invested in Supes at the time, although I loved the movies, I had taken a break from him) and the anticipation of what was going to happen next.
I understand that friends have had the same excitement with the "Blackest Night" series, running to the stores/etc., but I picked up the hardback collection and have to admit that sometimes having these things collected as one story to read in one sitting doesn't necessarily have the same punch (particularly if it's the first time read - not to mention the lack of inclusion of some fill-in issues necessary for smooth reading) as reading it in single issues, from week to week with tie-ins and the excitement of other fans at the time who aren't sure what's going to happen next in the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2010 17:36:00 GMT -5
Blackest Night started strong but just lasted too long and the fun started dying out. I don't think I've even finished reading it all yet.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Dec 21, 2010 12:36:16 GMT -5
Blackest Night took fucking forever. They really reached to make it 8 issues or whatever. Could have easily been six. Still really good, though.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 25, 2010 21:12:16 GMT -5
The idea of crossing over into different series, I don't mind- but when it's a story that has as much complexity as Blackest Night, the fun starts to die out of it--- especially when you have to WORK to 'fill in the missing gaps' when you buy the collected version of a said series! But- since sales are tremendous on these crossovers- it probably isn't going to go away anytime soon....*sigh*  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 0:05:46 GMT -5
I remember this well from my youth. I didn't pick up on Death until it was a collected paperback, and I completely missed Funeral. I have every edition from Reign, and I got the paperback novelization.
One of my favorite long-form stories, right up there with No Man's Land.
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