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Post by ye5man on Jan 5, 2011 11:11:28 GMT -5
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Post by Jimbo on Jan 5, 2011 13:28:32 GMT -5
Because they made a lot of money? By that same reasoning, George Lucas is a cinematic genius. Or Michael Bay.
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Post by ye5man on Jan 5, 2011 13:42:19 GMT -5
Eh, those comparisons are not the same thing!
Noone has questioned Lucas' marketing abilities.
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Post by Jimbo on Jan 5, 2011 14:18:27 GMT -5
What are you arguing? Since they bet on the right horses and made a lot of money with Clash of the Titans, Inception, Harry Potter, Due Date, that makes canning Singer's sequel and going with Zack Snyder a good idea? I don't follow.  No one doubts that WB can market their movies either. What do you want more, a good Superman movie or a Superman movie that makes a lot of money? |
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Post by ye5man on Jan 5, 2011 16:33:26 GMT -5
People are quick to claim WB are incompetent morons. I am pointing out they are doing something right.
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Post by stargazer01 on Jan 5, 2011 16:56:14 GMT -5
Because they made a lot of money? By that same reasoning, George Lucas is a cinematic genius. Or Michael Bay. hehe!  |
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Post by ye5man on Jan 5, 2011 18:40:49 GMT -5
Yeah, it'd be funny - if Jimbo got the point  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 20:45:58 GMT -5
Well, folks, the name of the game is making money. If they happen to make a good movie in the process, that's just a by-product.
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Post by Jimbo on Jan 6, 2011 2:35:35 GMT -5
Yeah, it'd be funny - if Jimbo got the point They took a chance with Inception, and it is paying dividends. I applaud them for that. They market things pretty well (TDK, in particular). And their DVD and Blu-ray releases have been consistently good. But...there was the whole 1990s Superman fiasco, Batman and Robin, oh yeah, and Catwoman. Idiocy was definitely in play there. |
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Post by atp on Jan 6, 2011 8:45:40 GMT -5
But...there was the whole 1990s 2006 Superman fiasco, Batman and Robin, oh yeah, and Catwoman. Idiocy was definitely in play there. Fixed your typo. |
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Post by ye5man on Jan 6, 2011 11:01:34 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by stargazer01 on Jan 6, 2011 12:02:17 GMT -5
Yeah, it'd be funny - if Jimbo got the point They took a chance with Inception, and it is paying dividends. I applaud them for that. They market things pretty well (TDK, in particular). And their DVD and Blu-ray releases have been consistently good. But...there was the whole 1990s Superman fiasco, Batman and Robin, oh yeah, and Catwoman. Idiocy was definitely in play there. Yeah, and they also almost made a Justice League live action film with a crappy cast and a questionable story. |
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Post by ye5man on Jan 6, 2011 12:05:55 GMT -5
So you're saying they didn't make what was almost going to be a disaster - and that's a bad thing?
and seeing as you've also missed the point, its not an reflection on the actual quality of their films
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Post by stargazer01 on Jan 6, 2011 12:22:53 GMT -5
They would have made the JL movie, but I think Nolan was, understandably, really against it. Plus the fandom was also against it. They did spend some good $ on it, though since they finished the costumes and other stuff. How is that smart?
Also, drug lords make a lot of money, but is that good for society? Of course not. These guys are def smart, though, but they are also totally evil.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 6, 2011 12:57:39 GMT -5
WB has done some things right; WB has made really awful decisions, too, that make no sense. And some really awful decisions have more to do with things politically more than anything else or egos of those in power.
I doubt WB is the only studio who's done that.
At the same time, since studios do use fan reaction as a factor in their decision making (their presence at Comicon & different occassions flat out hearing from writers and directors at Comicon SAYING that studios do/are listening to the net) - it's important to a degree if we 'vote' with reactions to decisions that we agree with and don't, and where we would/wouldn't spend our money on ticket and merchandise-wise.
WB makes money- and as Bamabrad pointed out, a good movie is a by-product.
The reasoning that's going on now and the choices that are being made on Superman has a lot of eyebrows being raised, now that it seems that Nolan isn't going to be such a major presence in the filming of it.
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Reason (to me) why WB are idiots: Catwoman, Batman and Robin, no MOS (still the most feasible economically imo - less risk and everything of importance was 'test-driven' so to speak), and the many many years of keeping Supes locked in the cinematic basement, until Marvel made them realize how much they were screwing themselves (and the shareholders) by doing so.
If the lawsuit hadn't come up, I have a hunch that Supes would STILL be in the basement for another 30 years.
*sigh*
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 6, 2011 13:02:49 GMT -5
The only element of interest to me with that whole project was one name: George Miller. The timing, though, was bizzare. I'm guessing that it would have been testing to see whether or not fans would accept multiple cinematic versions of the same characters at the same time (sort of like what they're doing with the animated features, with different versions of Supes/Batman for every single feature length that comes out, which I have mixed feelings on).
I was mainly against it because I was worried that it would ruin the possibilities of MOS coming out. Given that it wasn't going to come out at all, now, I almost wish that they had completed the JLA movie under Miller, given no MOS in sight and the 5 years of NOTHING instead.
O well...
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Post by ye5man on Jan 6, 2011 14:53:07 GMT -5
Come on man, how old are those films now? Every studio releases shit every now and again
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 6, 2011 15:29:51 GMT -5
It's the SIZE of the idiocy, ($100 million & the choices behind the Catwoman property- from director to catsuit on) plus--- that article still doesn't address the lack of smarts in keeping Superman in cinematic limbo for decades. If a studio can't decide on the right approach for 30 years for that character, then that doesn't exactly smack me of a studio that is brilliant, despite making money on other properties.
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Post by Jimbo on Jan 6, 2011 17:09:56 GMT -5
I don't get your argument, Russ. No one doubts WB knows how to make money. But it's not like business smarts and artistic talent are directly correlated. Jersey Shore, anyone? They're two different things. When they do go together, everyone is happy. But there are always good movies that flop and shitty movies that rake in the dough.
Clash of the Titans was listed in that article as a hit...but it was a poorly received knockoff of an even lamer movie. To say nothing of the poorly executed 3D conversion that the studio forced over the director's wishes. Oh, and a sequel is on the way.
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Post by stargazer01 on Jan 6, 2011 17:39:02 GMT -5
^haha, Sam Worthington (sp?) was just apologizing for the bud stuff in the movie and the acting on Clash. He promised things would improve in the sequel.. ;D Sex and the City 2 is supposed to be pure crap too. Not a WB movie, but I heard GI Joe is having a sequel too. Same with Ghost Ryder. They are no way better than SR and didn't performed better either, I think.  |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jan 7, 2011 10:43:36 GMT -5
ye5man, i just want to see more of that avatar.
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Post by lois on Jan 13, 2011 13:38:03 GMT -5
It's the SIZE of the idiocy, ($100 million & the choices behind the Catwoman property- from director to catsuit on) plus--- that article still doesn't address the lack of smarts in keeping Superman in cinematic limbo for decades. If a studio can't decide on the right approach for 30 years for that character, then that doesn't exactly smack me of a studio that is brilliant, despite making money on other properties. Exactly. They're also going to totally miss the mark on only wanting to making a film that makes money without having the respect for the material or the fans and delivering a good movie. |
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