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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 30, 2011 10:38:15 GMT -5
Don't know if this has already been put up as a thread, so mods, apologies if it already has-
But...
Was thinking- if Donner complained that he didn't have a chance to preview STM before it's release, so that he could (conceivably) make changes to it.... (or SII)
If he DID have a preview audience, and you were there for it...
What would you say (knowing it could influence changes)?
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Post by ye5man on Mar 30, 2011 10:49:29 GMT -5
Trim the Otis trailing scene and that's it
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Post by atp on Mar 30, 2011 11:17:16 GMT -5
Add villains going around the world (to rule it) and destroying key monuments in SII.
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Post by stargazer01 on Mar 30, 2011 13:12:01 GMT -5
I'd ask less camp, better henchman, a much better explanation about the whole kryptonite thing, better ending (turning back time is too lazy). I love the movie, it's great, but I don't think it really works for today's more jaded audience. Especially Not for the target audience: youth I know quite a few people who think the old Supes movies are too cheesy and kinda lame.  |
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 30, 2011 13:15:14 GMT -5
Cut the Lois death and turning the world around. Cut out Otis screwing up the coordinates and the "long arm" bit.
S2, trim down the slapstick and get better wigs for Margot.
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 30, 2011 13:44:52 GMT -5
Cut the Lois death and turning the world around. Cut out Otis screwing up the coordinates and the "long arm" bit. S2, trim down the slapstick and get better wigs for Margot. Unfortunately if you cut out Otis screwing up the coordinates then there is only 1 misguided missile for Superman to contend with. Miss T has no reason to rescue Superman, he dies, and we don't have to worry about time reversal. Otis really screwed things up didn't he? |
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 30, 2011 13:52:03 GMT -5
What was the original plan anyway?
One missile was meant for California, and one was meant to go to a populated area so that Superman would be forced to stop that one first.
I assume the California missile was programmed by Teschmacher, and the Hackensack missile was programmed by Otis. It's a good thing Otis' screw-up worked out anyway. It could have landed in the middle of the Nevada desert. Either way, Lex (the greatest criminal mind of all time) relying on Otis for his plan to succeed was dumb. The first thing we see Lex do in the movie is kill a cop. But he lets all of Otis' bumbling go unpunished.
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Post by atp on Mar 30, 2011 14:18:14 GMT -5
What was the original plan anyway? One missile was meant for California, and one was meant to go to a populated area so that Superman would be forced to stop that one first. . Nah, I don't think two missiles was ever part of the plan. I think it was always supposed to be one. Otis ruined it, so they had to hijack the second one. |
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Post by ChrisM on Mar 30, 2011 14:21:30 GMT -5
What was the original plan anyway? One missile was meant for California, and one was meant to go to a populated area so that Superman would be forced to stop that one first. I assume the California missile was programmed by Teschmacher, and the Hackensack missile was programmed by Otis. It's a good thing Otis' screw-up worked out anyway. I guess it's one of those "what if" questions... we'll never know. But I'm open to suggested rewrites of the hijacking sequences. It's easy to criticize but it is difficult to come up with a better script, especially if you're going to rely on those 3 characters. I would keep the interplay between Lex and Miss T as is - they had good chemistry and would keep things from being too heavy, besides Triple D cup breasts will never be dated.  That being said, I'd have replaced Otis with a sharp and cunning enforcer - let's call him Lucas. The hijacking rewritten as follows: Lex identifies the lead project engineer (or whatever title is more appropriate) for the missile test, who we will call Judah. Judah is captured, blindfolded, and brought to the lair where Luthor makes his pitch. When Judah proclaims that security measures make the idea impossible to pull off, Luthor escorts him to a room where his family is being held, and promises he will make Judah 1) choose their death sequence, and then 2) watch their deaths, one by one, unless he reprograms the rockets. The engineer nervously doubts that Luthor could be so deranged. At that point, Luthor mentions there is another prisoner in the next holding room that attempted to call his bluff. To his surprise, Judah opens that door to a sight of mangled, decomposing remains -- the officer that trespassed earlier in the film. "Where there's a will..." - Luthor deadpans. We learn that Lucas will shadow. Judah, now sensing the gravity of the situation, is then re-blindfolded and returned home to perform the unpleasant duty of choosing between the ones he loves and the greater good. That's probably the best I can come up with. |
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Post by jak321 on Mar 30, 2011 18:24:22 GMT -5
Cut out as much of Otis as possible. Cut Lois's poem scene. Trim the origin and opening credits just a bit. Drop the turning back time ending.
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Post by Rod on Mar 31, 2011 0:20:01 GMT -5
come on, lois death makes superman furious! that is so nice!
keep everything
and hypercharge it in star trek 09 mode.
villains get free after credits.
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Post by rexreed on Jul 31, 2011 1:39:15 GMT -5
Change the story so that after the opening credits Lex Luthor blows up a bridge and at the same time his henchmen are released from jail. Superman has to catch all the henchmen along Lex (who flies around on a umbrella) and drop them back off in jail. If Superman is hit by Kryptonite then he must find Louis and give her a kiss. Also, Superman then pieces the bridge back together before visiting a phone booth to change back into Clark. How does this sound?
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Jul 31, 2011 10:34:23 GMT -5
Trim the Lois and Superman flying scene. Even Donner and Mank joke on the commentary about the drugs everyone was doing during the 70's when Lois starts with her "Can you read my mind?" monologue. Also, I feel that the movie should've had a scene where we actually see Lex and co. go to Adis Ababba and get the kryptonite. Now, I don't want us to actually SEE the kryptonite. Because the audience NOT seeing it until that pivotal moment where Superman discovers it is crucial. He's seeing it for there first time, as are we. And we're just as shocked as Supes is. Also, add back in a few scenes from the KCOP cut: 1. Superman trying to block the path of the missile. This one short scene shows us that Superman really is a lot faster than we think. By having this, I feel the turning back time speed is easier to accept. 2. The Pentagon being notified of the missiles going off course. I really feel like the people in charge just stood by and did nothing while this disaster is occurring. Not saying the President on the golf course joke needs to be there, but it would make sense to see SOMEBODY TRYING to do something. 3. Post-credits scene of the missile releasing the villains. If that scene had been put in, who knows how different (and hopefully better) Superman 2 would've been, regardless of who was sitting in the director's chair. Not gonna go into my ideas on how to fix Superman 2 had I been in the test audience, as I, as well as a lot of us, have done that already Besides, even if I was sitting there and said "Why wasn't Marlon Brando in it? Put him back in. We don't want Supes' Mom". They'd have just told me that they simply can't do that. |
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Post by comikazi on Jul 31, 2011 12:12:54 GMT -5
What was the original plan anyway? One missile was meant for California, and one was meant to go to a populated area so that Superman would be forced to stop that one first. I assume the California missile was programmed by Teschmacher, and the Hackensack missile was programmed by Otis. It's a good thing Otis' screw-up worked out anyway. It could have landed in the middle of the Nevada desert. Either way, Lex (the greatest criminal mind of all time) relying on Otis for his plan to succeed was dumb. The first thing we see Lex do in the movie is kill a cop. But he lets all of Otis' bumbling go unpunished. The original plan was to reprogram the Army missile to hit in California and to disable Superman with kryptonite, but of course Otis screwed that up. Miss Teschmacher had to reprogram the Navy missile. It's a good thing there were two missiles! If i had been in the preview audience I'd mention removing some of the bad miniatures at the end of Superman. |
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Post by ye5man on Aug 1, 2011 9:14:14 GMT -5
Change the story so that after the opening credits Lex Luthor blows up a bridge and at the same time his henchmen are released from jail. Superman has to catch all the henchmen along Lex (who flies around on a umbrella) and drop them back off in jail. If Superman is hit by Kryptonite then he must find Louis and give her a kiss. Also, Superman then pieces the bridge back together before visiting a phone booth to change back into Clark. How does this sound? You have no idea how many times I've played it over the years |
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