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Post by matt on Aug 21, 2011 9:20:47 GMT -5
I don't know why WB wouldn't let Selutron have access to Superman movie footage to make his fan edit?, they let Thau make his. Lol nice one. Agreed. Btw, that pic of Reeve you have as your sig, the picture quality looks SUPERB. I take it it's from the new blu-ray? Cuz if it is, I may have to run out to Best Buy and finally get this thing lol. Its from blu ray, I lightened the colors of the screen cap a little bit though. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 21, 2011 19:39:19 GMT -5
I don't know why WB is fighting releasing more Superman anything - or who- at this point. It's free money if they decide to put it out there!
On one hand, the Ultimate Box Set gave WAY more than I thought was possible--- (Superman IV deleted scenes? Wow!)- but it also made me hungry for what was left (IRC releases/ remainder of the deleted Donner SII scenes).
*sigh*
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Post by matt on Aug 21, 2011 19:53:51 GMT -5
It would be neat to see alternate takes and angles of movie scenes.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 21, 2011 19:57:48 GMT -5
EXACTLY! I can't tell you how many times I've seen OTHER dvds (especially ones that were so-so) have alternate takes and angles made available- with no one really asking for them- but STM/SII? NOPE. Gah. Since they recovered the old footage, why not charge us & give us the restored stuff? Again..... DUNE had a fully restored tv version! And that one was considered a bomb!  |
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Post by jor-el76 on Aug 23, 2011 8:17:55 GMT -5
i think Selutron do so much to prove Warner that a DEFINITIVE cut of Superman II Donner's cut is possible, i would like to just to say few things:
- i don't know Selutron, but everything i have read about it and his project is just to see a two part saga finally fullfilled with Donner as director with or without Selutron direct involed.
- let the last "lost" acting piece of the greatest actor of the movie history "Marlon Brando" like a bonus material is a very BAD and Poor decision for the movie history, Warner Bros have the last performance of Brando and it deserve more respect, it can't be treat like dleted scenes or raw materials, that's is a terrible mistake
- fan and fan editor can hate or love Selutron work and efforts, but WE are ALL part of the same team guys! oue goal must be to send a message to the Warner producers "fans wants another better and more solid cut of Superman II donner's cut" so Selutron work or my Selutron fan page have just one Goal, put fans together to see a new fully and cohesive version of the Donner's cut rises.
we can discuss Selutron vision after a new official version is out in the stores, but right now, i think, is much better stay united.
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Aug 23, 2011 8:26:42 GMT -5
EXACTLY! I can't tell you how many times I've seen OTHER dvds (especially ones that were so-so) have alternate takes and angles made available- with no one really asking for them- but STM/SII? NOPE. Gah. Since they recovered the old footage, why not charge us & give us the restored stuff? Again..... DUNE had a fully restored tv version! And that one was considered a bomb! What was interesting about DUNE is not only did they provide the alternate tv cut, they actually had to go back and find all the film elements and RECUT the entire film from scratch! The tv version was done in pan scan for 80's tv (on 80's video). The dvd has it in 16x9 widescreen. A lot of work for a disc that probably didn't sell as good as the Superman films. The best bet for the tv versions is Warner Archives. The MOD release format has already brought out some classic tv shows and movies not deemed feasible for normal release. Start a campaign and see what happens. Email Warner Archives directly. If enough people contact them, something will happen. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 24, 2011 3:30:00 GMT -5
I know- I love that about the DUNE release! Was happily shocked about that (not to mention them releasing - finally - the extra deleted scenes as well)!
I wonder how much of a mess the legal issues are with Superman II, though (assuming there is one)? If WB never paid Donner a dime to help promote it after the fact, too, then that seems to suggest that WB isn't all that sensitive about hurting director's feelings over past work.
Not that I want to hurt Donner myself, but I WANT a dvd quality cut (in letterbox) of the tv versions of STM & SII- if we can't have a recut of SII- heck, maybe even if!
Wonder what the best way IS to start a campaign? It sure seemed like a lot of campaigns went nowhere for SII- would be nice to know what type of campaigns did work and which ones didn't really matter over the time it took for the RDC to get a greenlight from WB....
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Aug 24, 2011 8:51:30 GMT -5
Wonder what the best way IS to start a campaign? It sure seemed like a lot of campaigns went nowhere for SII- would be nice to know what type of campaigns did work and which ones didn't really matter over the time it took for the RDC to get a greenlight from WB.... I DO believe that we the fans did make an impact in getting the Donner Cut released (despite it not being what we wanted), but at this point I don't think WB is gonna listen. At this point they probably see no reason to go back. At this point, I honestly believe the ONLY way something could POSSIBLY happen, seriously, is if one of here actually got a job at WB as an editor and were either given access to the vaults, or not.  I look at it like this, next year we're gonna get the Restored Superman KCOP and from what I saw it looks pretty damn good. Considering it's from 2 guys working on this at home in their spare time, I'm very very impressed. I know after this they're gonna do the S2 RIC next. Granted we probably won't get that for like another 5 years lol. Sure we'll never get the wide-screen versions, but eh... Right now I'm still reveling with how nice the blu-rays look. When I ever do get around to working on my fan-cut of S2 again, I'm going all blu. It'll just save me so much time in color correction. CAM, you should consider doing the same.  |
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Post by Kamdan on Aug 24, 2011 12:13:12 GMT -5
What do you mean Superman II RIC is coming next? It's already been done, unless they obtained a 16mm version of that cut, instead relying on videotapes.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 24, 2011 13:32:10 GMT -5
Oh, I totally agree that the fans made an impact at the time. The Hollywood folks that go to Comicon and Wondercon, over and over again, say that they DO check out the web (or did before). It's just trying to be efficient and not wasteful about where/when to start any campaign. On the flip side, there was a great article about how Hollywood was investing good chunks of cash promoting their films to the fans at Comicon--- but now are mostly pulling out/(or pulling back)- because it didn't seem to make enough of a difference. Add to this, the bizzare reactions that have happened at many shows I've attended in the past, where, when an intelligent question is given out to the audience by a Hollywood rep as to what they REALLY want, (what should have been seen as rare opportunities), there'd be an idiot fan at the microphone either joking or intelligibly asking for something completely ridiculous. At the Singer SR preview, someone thankfully asked/begged for the Donner SII cut- when Singer mentioned blatantly that WB reps were there in the audience also to listen to what fans wanted. Unfortunately, I was suprised that there wasn't a giant roar of approval for the request, given the full hall was full of comic fans who seemed uncertain or confused when they heard the question. REALLY weird. They didn't even seem to know what the heck the guy was talking about. Singer said that (at that time) that he'd ask Donner about it- but also remember that Singer looked/sounded like he was suffering a lot from jetlag as well, as he was still shooting SR (He came off much better in his X2 appearance). Anyhow, my point being: I agree- that the studios might have been listening before, but now- who knows? Wolverine was widely hated on the net by fanboys, but was a big success box officewise. (Serenity was widely anticipated and loved by fans, but only so-so box office at the same time... and not enough to blow the studio away) They may have come to the conclusion that the audience of fanboys may only be a small percentage of the paying audience - who knows for sure, except for those who work in Hollywood? The creators still say Hollywood that noise on the net make a difference, but it's hard to gauge how much difference, let alone the best way to drum up support one way or the other.  |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Aug 24, 2011 14:25:57 GMT -5
What do you mean Superman II RIC is coming next? It's already been done, unless they obtained a 16mm version of that cut, instead relying on videotapes. They're gonna restore it with better picture quality by going through it frame by frame, as they're doing with the Superman KCOP. Just to clear up the confusion: The KCOP of S1 was released, but the picture quality is terrible. Now they're fixing it up. The RIC of S2 was released, but also has bad picture quality. When they finish with the KCOP of S1, they're going to do the same frame-by-frame picture cleaning process to make it look as good as possible. Now granted, if WB would just do this for us, it could be done a lot faster, and a lot better. As well as give us the damn things in WIDESCREEN.  |
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Aug 24, 2011 16:06:55 GMT -5
www.wbshop.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-WB-Site/default/Page-ContactUs Get everyone you know to contact the Archive directly. You'd be surprised at how small the Archive operation is. A while back the HEAD of the department was answering questions for a dvd website (I can't remember which one.) But he had some interesting things to say about future releases such as Blu Ray plans and how they are actually making new transfers for some projects. Here is one of this interviews. www.nypost.com/p/blogs/movies/anniversary_extra_george_feltenstein_K5z5y84huNwN1iTZDbMuGIStarting a facebook campaign might work too. www.facebook.com/warnerarchiveI don't know for sure, but was the tv editions cut on film? Or where they edited on video? If only on video I doubt you would get anything other than the 1980's full frame video master on dvd. I doubt they would spend the money to re-transfer everything and recut the extended versions. BUT, if for some reason it was cut on film a print exists somewhere and that could be used for a transfer.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 27, 2011 2:34:46 GMT -5
Awesome, scissorypuppy. Thanks for putting this out there. I have a bad feeling that both tv versions of STM and SII were probably cut on video, as I noticed on the tv vhs recordings I have, that there were noticeable 'jumps' in the middle of a scene, when things were extended- so I can only guess this is because they did a different process when adding on the extended bits (improper mismatching formatting?). *sigh*  |
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Post by indo77 on Aug 27, 2011 2:45:59 GMT -5
A 16mm print certainly exists for the extended STM. Concerning Superman II the TV cut that appeared in Europe does not have the same choppy feel the ABC version has. The only thing I have noticed is when Ursa says on the moon "Men to Kill". That scene has always looked choppy no matter what version it has appeared in.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 27, 2011 3:49:07 GMT -5
Ah, I totally forgot that blurb that Jim Bowers had on his Capedwonder site that he has a 16mm print of it (how the heck did he get that?). Man, if we can't get a recut of the Donner cut, then widescreen dvds of the extended tv cuts would be a nice 'final' bit to add to a revisit to the Superman movie dvds, if they do decide to have a tie-in collection with the Snyder dvd release... (Or even before) |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Aug 27, 2011 16:54:28 GMT -5
Awesome, scissorypuppy.I have a bad feeling that both tv versions of STM and SII were probably cut on video, as I noticed on the tv vhs recordings I have, that there were noticeable 'jumps' in the middle of a scene, when things were extended- so I can only guess this is because they did a different process when adding on the extended bits (improper mismatching formatting?). Lol, I love how in the extended scene of Supes and Lex talking in the FOS, after Supes says "Alright, I'm just gonna have to take that chance. Mmm. Try to get them all into this molecule chamber...etc", we get one of those "jumps" you mentioned since it's all one take/shot. |
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Post by Knight on Aug 27, 2011 17:46:30 GMT -5
Love the concord scene,Superman flying right up to the cockpit,excellent.
In the RIC of II,there is footage of Superman and Lois flying from STM,was that really broadcast like that? -or did whoever edited all these broadcasts together put that in for the sake of it?
Also,I have seen a picture of Superman flying back to TFOS towards the end of II. Has that footage ever seen the light of day,apart from a still in a promo booklet?
the edits are jarring during the RIC,but I don't mind I guess,better than nothing.
One of my fav lines from Lex in the RIC: ''I'm full of goodness,I just haven't used any yet''.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 27, 2011 17:53:56 GMT -5
The concorde was great- if I recall right, it may have been after some footage of Supes saving a bird who gets stuck in an oil slick (another deleted scene from STM).
Yeah.... I also saw a couple of images (one from a bubble gum card) of Supes either coming from or going to the FOS- never saw the footage either, but has to exist- odd that Thau never restored it.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Aug 27, 2011 19:46:26 GMT -5
The recycled footage from STM of Supes and Lois flying for their flight to the FOS in S2 was not only in the RIC, but also the ABC cut. As a kid I noticed that blooper easily.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 28, 2011 1:28:20 GMT -5
It's one of the few Donner sections that felt like the director didn't quite find the best way to make that work without feeling forced. WHY is Zod and company just waiting around for Lex & Supes to mumble to each other in the FOS confrontation?
Short of doing some kind of rewrite (and knowing that Donner had a strict deadline with Hackman), I guess there weren't a lot of other options for that story point by that part of the film....
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Post by Knight on Aug 28, 2011 11:56:01 GMT -5
I bet that flying shot of Superman (at the end of II) going back to TFOS would have been a nice little filler,cutting away from the villains in the DP to Superman...
its so annoying for us,knowing that the footage is there but it's going to waste. I held out hope it would be in the RIC...
Loved Luthor's extra lines, ''I'm full of goodness,I just havent used any yet...'' -good to see it.
But,yes,why would Zod allow Superman and Luthor to talk at such lengths...
One of the scenes I really wish Donner would have shot is that of Superman returning to Metropolis,going in the back of a taxi and getting out as Clark. Well,we did get a recycled result in SIII I suppose...
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 28, 2011 13:09:20 GMT -5
Me, too. It definitely seemed like they had things planned out for him to return, the taxi bit- and then get hit by another (presumably) taxi- (*the last bit that ended up getting shot by Lester, but modified w/Lois on the street)... because in the souvenir book of STM, there's a clear shot of Donner on the street of New York w/his crew, and the damaged cab (split at the front, just like in SII) closeby for use.
(That being the case, because it was so 'Donner-prepped', I did include the cab bit for my own cut. )
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Post by Knight on Aug 28, 2011 13:17:41 GMT -5
Me too,Cam... ''I got stuck in traffic.'' Works a treat But,however I didn't know that was a Donner idea and I have never seen that picture you mentioned. (hmmm,wonders if he actually shot that then?) |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Aug 28, 2011 15:10:10 GMT -5
I also would like to see that picture.
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Post by indo77 on Aug 28, 2011 16:36:40 GMT -5
Didn't some of the scenes that appeared in the extended Superman II actually appear in a film print somewhere, maybe even a test screening? I have read this somewhere before years ago. The scene of the boy being killed by the police siren is rumoured to have appeared on film. I have never seen any real evidence of it though.
But one thing I am sure of is Albert Dinckgreve who use to post here told me way back in 2000 that he seen a scene where Ursa says "What, you hit a woman?" I never thought anything of it and thought he must have a vague memory of the movie that had been clouded over time yet in Nov 2006 that scene was in the Dooner cut. I had the shock of my life when I seen it because he repeated it to me a few times years previously.
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