Aspect Ratio and Resolution of Superman extras...

[verisimilitude]

Please don't send me to the gallows for this, but I STILL have not purchased the Blu-Ray boxed set, so I have 2 questions, as I continue to try and put all the pieces together for editing.

I'm trying to find out if the "You'll Believe- Cinematic Saga" feature, is in 16:9 on the Blu Ray release, or if it's still 4:3. Also, is it HD or SD?

Second question: Are the deleted scenes from RDC in HD or SD?

Thanks!

[TylerDurden389]

Lol don't sweat it dude, I don't have it yet either (or a blu-ray). I'm waiting until the price goes down to 30 bucks, or until they release them separate.

[verisimilitude]

Ah, a sympathetic soul. Nice to hear from you, man.

[Jimbo]

Deleted scenes are all SD. And terrible interlaced in S2DC.

[verisimilitude]

Thanks, Jimbo. And the "Cinematic Saga" feature? Still 4:3 or did they change it to 16:9?

[ye5man]

Feb 27, 2012 12:44:35 GMT -5 verisimilitude said:

I STILL have not purchased the Blu-Ray boxed set

Me either, I d/loaded them for now. Will probably buy if I bother to ever get a player. I've skipped through "You'll Believe" as seen it enough times but from memory its DVD quality

[verisimilitude]

You downloaded the full blurays or just the movie rips, themselves? Just wondering, since you speak of having the Cinematic Saga from the Blu-ray set. Also, if that's true, could you have a quick look and let me know if it's still in 4:3, or if they changed it to 16:9? I'm assuming it's still in 4:3, but just need to know before proceeding.

[TylerDurden389]

I downloaded blu-ray STM and S2 theatrical versions. For some reason the STM file still has the 2001 audio. Probably the only reason I still wanna buy them. So I get the proper sound. For now though, I recorded my vhs onto dvd (and put on my hard drive).

[Jor-L5150]

veri?

where the heck ya been?

[verisimilitude]

Feb 27, 2012 16:06:17 GMT -5 TylerDurden389 said:

I downloaded blu-ray STM and S2 theatrical versions. For some reason the STM file still has the 2001 audio. Probably the only reason I still wanna buy them. So I get the proper sound. For now though, I recorded my vhs onto dvd (and put on my hard drive).

As far as I know, the Blu RayTheatrical Cut still features the Thau sound by default. but you can still access the original theatrical soundtrack by choosing it in the menu options. I believe it's still only 2.0 though.

So, even purchasing the discs won't solve the problem. But at least you won't have to deal with vhs recordings, because you can just rip it from the 2006 DVD, if you have that.

If I'm wrong, somebody please set me straight, but I believe all of the above is correct.

[verisimilitude]

Feb 27, 2012 16:38:54 GMT -5 Jor-L5150 said:

veri?

where the heck ya been?

Hey Jor, I've been quite busy and distracted with relocating twice, traveling for work, helping with my wife's singing career, and becoming acquainted with the world of HD.

Now that I finally understand enough about the technical aspects of Hi-Def, and now that S2 Theatrical is finally available on Blu-Ray, I'm gearing up for the HD edit of the V-Cut. That led me back here, because I knew I would find all the help and support that I most surely am going to need, to make that happen.

[crazy_asian_man]

The first thought would be the jarring difference between any added deleted scenes in SD versus HD footage.....but then again, maybe there's software to bump up the SD quality by now?

[verisimilitude]

Feb 27, 2012 17:22:02 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

The first thought would be the jarring difference between any added deleted scenes in SD versus HD footage.....but then again, maybe there's software to bump up the SD quality by now?

Yes, there is, CAM. (Great to be talking with you, again, btw!) I've already upconverted the deleted scenes to 720p, as well as the red WB Logo, at the beginning of the S3 trailer.

Of course, it doesn't dress up the picture, per se. It just keeps it from getting noisy and pixelated when watched on the big screen, so that it looks the same as it does when you watch it on a small screen.

So, including it in this cut won't be terribly different from including it in the SD version. It'll be obvious, but not jarring.

Meanwhile, can anybody tell me if the "Cinematic Saga" feature is still in 4:3 133:1 on the blu-ray disc? LOL

[crazy_asian_man]

Yes, there is, CAM. (Great to be talking with you, again, btw!)

Same here, veris!
I'm looking forward to the thread talking about what changes you might make to SII, now that time has passed.

For me, a number of new thoughts have come up--- One thing in particular that has come up for me has been Booshman's amazing work on the 'new' Brando credits to match the theatrical.

Originally, I was giantly opposed to the Lester style credits, but after Jimbo pointed out that it was the same contractor that designed the original STM credits (as well as being the same style of the END of STM)--- I feel far better about it. I'm curious- Have you decided yet what'll be in the new cut, or are you still in the 'exploratory' phase of making an editing list?

[verisimilitude]

I haven't had a chance to check out what Booshman has done, yet. From what you say, it sounds like he's recreated the Lester credits effect. Like Jimbo said, I don't see anything wrong with that. They're nostaligic, and not completely divorced from STM, as has already been observed.

For me, it's just a personal preference thing. I can't explain it, but there's just something so darned sharp about seeing that Dark Blue against Black. It strikes a certain tone and mood that I just dig to no end. So, for that reason, I'll be sticking with the STM credits.

As for the editing choices, I know I'm going to use all STM footage for the PZ recap at the beginning. It's clearly superior to RDC, as far as quality goes.

This time around, I'll be using the 78 credits whoosh sound, for the most part, except in maybe one or two quiet spots, where the drum roll might be heard. The clearest, cleanest credit whoosh is the Brando credit, but it's nigh impossible to completely eliminate the drum roll underneath it, without altering the overall sound of the whoosh effect itself. That will be a delicate dance.

The new Paris sequence will be included this time, exactly as it appears on youtube.

All redubbed music cues will be taken from the Superman: The Music cd.

Niagara Jump will replace DP/Fruit Cart sequence. Between the poor effects and the Reeve stand-in, it's just not as strong.

Lester will receive co-credit, as I mentioned. Fair is fair.

There will be an all new end to the repowering sequence, that will incorporate several dramatic pieces from STM, culminating in a reveal, similar to the original FOS reveal.

The "world rule" sequence will be redone, with footage consistent with the time period.

I will attempt to find some realistic New York footage to use for several shots in the Metropolis battle sequence, to try and give it some scale. Not too much, but just one or two shots inserted to give the sequence a grander larger feel.

That's all I can think of, at the moment. I may experiment with some rotoscoping effects if they don't look too obvious. The minute the viewer feels like they're watching a fan cut, I'M DEAD. So, no cheesiness.

I'll start a thread, as I did before. There I'll post links to completed scenes, for your input, and all that fun stuff. Meanwhile, I'll check other new cuts to get ideas about what I do and don't want to include in the V-Cut.

Hopefully, that helps to give you some picture of what's to come.

[booshman]

Feb 27, 2012 17:43:19 GMT -5 verisimilitude said:

Feb 27, 2012 17:22:02 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

The first thought would be the jarring difference between any added deleted scenes in SD versus HD footage.....but then again, maybe there's software to bump up the SD quality by now?

Yes, there is, CAM. (Great to be talking with you, again, btw!) I've already upconverted the deleted scenes to 720p, as well as the red WB Logo, at the beginning of the S3 trailer.

Of course, it doesn't dress up the picture, per se. It just keeps it from getting noisy and pixelated when watched on the big screen, so that it looks the same as it does when you watch it on a small screen.

So, including it in this cut won't be terribly different from including it in the SD version. It'll be obvious, but not jarring.

Meanwhile, can anybody tell me if the "Cinematic Saga" feature is still in 4:3 133:1 on the blu-ray disc? LOL

The Cinematic Saga is still 4:3 on the bluray.

I have the red WB logo in 1080p taken from the Enter the Dragon. If you want it I could upload it for you. Also for the removal of the drumroll to isolate the whoosh sound I recommend "iZotope RX", it's a very good program.

[crazy_asian_man]

I haven't had a chance to check out what Booshman has done, yet. From what you say, it sounds like he's recreated the Lester credits effect. Like Jimbo said, I don't see anything wrong with that. They're nostaligic, and not completely divorced from STM, as has already been observed.

For me, it's just a personal preference thing. I can't explain it, but there's just something so darned sharp about seeing that Dark Blue against Black. It strikes a certain tone and mood that I just dig to no end. So, for that reason, I'll be sticking with the STM credits.

As for the editing choices, I know I'm going to use all STM footage for the PZ recap at the beginning. It's clearly superior to RDC, as far as quality goes.

This time around, I'll be using the 78 credits whoosh sound, for the most part, except in maybe one or two quiet spots, where the drum roll might be heard. The clearest, cleanest credit whoosh is the Brando credit, but it's nigh impossible to completely eliminate the drum roll underneath it, without altering the overall sound of the whoosh effect itself. That will be a delicate dance.

The new Paris sequence will be included this time, exactly as it appears on youtube.

All redubbed music cues will be taken from the Superman: The Music cd.

Niagara Jump will replace DP/Fruit Cart sequence. Between the poor effects and the Reeve stand-in, it's just not as strong.

Lester will receive co-credit, as I mentioned. Fair is fair.

There will be an all new end to the repowering sequence, that will incorporate several dramatic pieces from STM, culminating in a reveal, similar to the original FOS reveal.

The "world rule" sequence will be redone, with footage consistent with the time period.

I will attempt to find some realistic New York footage to use for several shots in the Metropolis battle sequence, to try and give it some scale. Not too much, but just one or two shots inserted to give the sequence a grander larger feel.

That's all I can think of, at the moment. I may experiment with some rotoscoping effects if they don't look too obvious. The minute the viewer feels like they're watching a fan cut, I'M DEAD. So, no cheesiness.

I'll start a thread, as I did before. There I'll post links to completed scenes, for your input, and all that fun stuff. Meanwhile, I'll check other new cuts to get ideas about what I do and don't want to include in the V-Cut.

Hopefully, that helps to give you some picture of what's to come.

The problem I think with the Donner DP jump is the edit--- whether it was Thau or Donner that wanted the pace picked up from it, the difference I felt (in general) with the edit from STM to SII is that (outside of a feeling of lack of coherency), because of the 'speed' of things, not every moment was treated as grand or epic like the original STM was.

(One example: The sweeping shot of Clark and his mom on the Kent farm as he looks out in the distance, how long it took for the Fortress of Solitude to be built, etc.) Things took their time, and the moments really sunk in. I remember images on Capedwonder (not there anymore though) of photos taken from different angles of Clark running through the Daily Planet for the effect and the storyboards--- I would have loved to have seen the ORIGINAL effect work for the DP jump--- not a quickee 'aftereffects' fx on it like Smallville.

Personally, even with some of the warts by the Thau editing, I still prefer the DP jump--- but with the Thorne music added.

[TylerDurden389]

Agreed. I prefer DP Jump with edits like we've all done (music, sound effects, shots moved, etc..). The fact that she pulls up the blinds and jumps out the same way Supes did in STM when he went to find Lex is a nice little way of tying together both of the films, and tying the characters together. Especially with a budding romance building up.