|
|
Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 4, 2012 13:40:26 GMT -5
Routh recently admitted that he passed on several roles because he was waiting for the sequel to Superman to be greenlit & also because he didn't want to play any role that he thought would tarnish the name of Superman because he was so protective of the image of the mantle. he's definitely similar to the career path of chris reeve- reeve also avoided roles while he was superman. i remember the scandal of him playing a gay guy back in the early 80's .... he could have been in some BIG movies too. on one hand reeve had more opportunities to play superman, but ended up sorta stuck with it. on the other, routh didn't get to do follow-up for SR- but he's young enough he might still be able to carve out a good career. of course, when i am in charge i am going to hire him to play superman anyway. until then he's smart to pursue other gigs. |
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 4, 2012 13:52:08 GMT -5
Routh's strengths seem to really match him playing Superman. Really a wasted opportunity for WB not to use him again.
Still, Routh's story isn't over YET--- as an example, it took decades for Keifer Sutherland to come into his own on "24" on tv, which now defines him, after all the movies he's done that were ok, but were mostly forgettable. Most could have written off Sutherland's career awhlie back... or Robert Downey Jr's before Iron Man, for that matter.
If Routh find a tv role that fits just right, I wouldn't say that tv is necessarily lower - especially nowadays with the quality of cable shows as well (I'd argue with HBO, stars of "True Blood" probably rival that of most movies)....
Routh may not have (yet) reached the same heights as Reeve did, but then again- Routh (knock on wood) didn't have the horrible misfortune that Reeve did, either, to end up living the tail end of his life in a wheelchair....... Routh is young, in good health, he still has a ton of possibilities ahead of him, if he doesn't fall in the wrong crowd, but hopefully being a nice guy doesn't end up being his biggest weakness, living in Hollywood....
|
|
|
|
Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 4, 2012 13:54:50 GMT -5
it would be funy as ALL heck to see routh play an over-the-top sexist foul mouthed asshole!
here's this handsome, kindly man- associated with superman...
...having him play a heel would be hysterical.
i'm serious, i love routh- i think it'd be just the "wtf?" role to redefine his image and get some attention.
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 4, 2012 14:27:17 GMT -5
You MUST see him in "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World" as a conceited ahole--- (and it is a brilliant film anyways). He IS hysterical.
|
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,076
|
Post by Metallo on Jun 4, 2012 15:14:51 GMT -5
Mr. Routh was in my town a couple weeks ago for the preimere of "Crooked Arrows" (or something) in Syracuse, New York. I could have caught a glimpse of the actor, had I not given a rat$ a$$. I also thought it was a bit telling that the local papers referred to him as "the star of Superman Returns". You don't hear "Brad Pitt, the star of XXX". If you're big-time, your name sells itself. And??? That proves absolutely nothing. The guy isn't a big time actor. It takes years to establish that kind of recognizability. The are very few actors than can claim that besides the big name A list ones. The average Joe can't always tell you the name of the star (great actor or mediocre) of the biggest and most popular movies or the highest quality movies if they are a newcomer. There are some brilliant actors out there and while people might recognize their face or know them if they saw them in a movie they would have no clue what their name is. That's (sincerely) awesome of Routh but I think he made a mistake. Wonder why he didn't do any stage work to help hone his craft?Can't we ask that of most young actors these days though? Honing your craft really doesn't mean sh** to most of Hollywood. Might make you a better actor but it doesn't guarantee work in todays age. Rouths easily twice the actor Channing Tatum is but which ones been more successful? |
|
ye5man
New Member
1%
Posts: 7,928
|
Post by ye5man on Jun 4, 2012 15:19:29 GMT -5
If Routh was hanging around waiting for the SR2 phone call then why not do some small NY plays in the meantime? I get the feeling had MOS not happened, he may be still sitting by the phone
|
|
|
|
Post by Jimbo on Jun 4, 2012 15:29:38 GMT -5
That's what sucks about these contracts that include sequels, especially for unknown guys.
The studio is still free and clear to do whatever they want. They can execute it and bring the actor back, or cut the guy loose without a second thought.
But for the actor, his hands are tied, and he needs to be very flexible so the studio doesn't cite "scheduling conflicts" and replaces him with a cheaper actor.
A big thumbs-up for anyone who can get a pay-or-play contract.
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 4, 2012 15:30:42 GMT -5
The more stories that come out about the LACK of communications between studios and those who work for them (After all, Routh never even got a phone call that his contract wasn't being renewed! He said he found out on the internet, didn't he?)--- The more I get a feeling that both ends went awry: #1: Maybe Routh really was in a situation where it was fuzzy on what he was and wasn't allowed to commit to (This situation was what happened to an actress on the tv show "Babylon 5" where she wanted to work on a particular project for a few weeks if the show wasn't being picked up, but wasn't given clear answers what she was or wasn't allowed to accept. ) and/or: #2: Routh's manager/and/or agent didn't drive him hard enough to be active in other things while waiting for the phone call to get back to work. Reeve seemed to be a workaholic who was anxious for Superman to be a stepping stone for him to jump elsewheres. Maybe things initially felt secure with the big grosses for the film, we knew that he got married after SR..... maybe there was a sense of false security to just enjoy life without movies for awhile before the sequel?  |
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,076
|
Post by Metallo on Jun 4, 2012 15:35:53 GMT -5
That seems to happen pretty regularly. Actors or shows getting the ax and they find out the worst way instead of through official channels. That's what sucks about these contracts that include sequels, especially for unknown guys. The studio is still free and clear to do whatever they want. They can execute it and bring the actor back, or cut the guy loose without a second thought. But for the actor, his hands are tired, and he needs to be very flexible so the studio doesn't cite "scheduling conflicts" and replaces him with a cheaper actor. A big thumbs-up for anyone who can get a pay-or-play contract. Pierce Brosnan found out about that kind of Hollywood BS the hard way. |
|
|
|
Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 4, 2012 16:08:36 GMT -5
That's (sincerely) awesome of Routh but I think he made a mistake. Wonder why he didn't do any stage work to help hone his craft?Can't we ask that of most young actors these days though? Honing your craft really doesn't mean sh** to most of Hollywood. Might make you a better actor but it doesn't guarantee work in todays age. Rouths easily twice the actor Channing Tatum is but which ones been more successful?[/quote] amen. jesus! channing tatum..... i thought it'd be MUCH harder to get into movies. fucking hate em. |
|
ye5man
New Member
1%
Posts: 7,928
|
Post by ye5man on Jun 4, 2012 16:35:06 GMT -5
Routh would be working - on stage. Honing his craft, making connections, getting exposure, getting paid.
Can't see why not.
If he feel starring in a cliché lacrosse film is better, then I guess its his decision
|
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,076
|
Post by Metallo on Jun 4, 2012 17:11:12 GMT -5
All those "connections, getting exposure etc." didn't do much for Christopher Reeve's career did they?
And it seems like that kind of background means less now than ever in the business.
Not sure how it would get him widespread exposure. Sure it would be help make him "better" but otherwise?
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 4, 2012 17:32:49 GMT -5
I had an instructor whose uncle & brother were/are 'in the business' and shared how many successful actors went to the stage to try to gain respect from the acting community; and how many theatre actors who struggled to pay their bills wanted to get into show business to get the parts that would pay more money---
Don't know how true that is nowadays (this was awhile back), but I'd imagine that if any actor networked and was constantly acting in different parts onstage- that they could be more and more accessible to directors who may want to know how versatile an actor may be.
|
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,076
|
Post by Metallo on Jun 4, 2012 17:43:31 GMT -5
If Routh wants to get better and get noticed he should do a little bit of everything and build a diverse film resume.
Yeah he should try some stage work. But he should also try making some small but well written dramatic films be they mainstream or indie. He should make some comedies and some action films too and make an impression in different arenas if he can. He can't just pick and choose what he does because he doesn't have any clout when it comes to bigger films but if he gets a chance too work with some talented people while he does crap to pay the bills he should take it. Nose to the grindstone.
|
|
ye5man
New Member
1%
Posts: 7,928
|
Post by ye5man on Jun 4, 2012 18:00:01 GMT -5
All those "connections, getting exposure etc." didn't do much for Christopher Reeve's career did they? Actually, he was a respected stage actor and he was professionally trained. His stage work had nothing to do with his zany film choices. I can't imagine Routh turning down all those great roles. (I can't see him turning down a TV movie of the week, but I digress) |
|
|
|
Post by MAVERICK on Jun 4, 2012 19:18:26 GMT -5
Armchair agents ;D ;D ;D
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 4, 2012 19:19:07 GMT -5
Reeve had a ton of roles during his film career..... but, at the end, the only two that he seemed truly proud of were for STM and Somewhere in Time, that have probably THE biggest followings of all his films, and I'm glad for him that he was able to see at least one other project of his was going to be considered a classic over time.
It's hard to say what's the best choice for an actor to take. Take on everything under the sun offered, or be picky and only choose the ones that one would do, regardless.
I know in Reeve's case, once Superman was a hit & he was already doing more stagework (that directors could come and see) - he noted in his autobio that he didn't have to audition for things, that he would simply be contacted and offered things..... but when the Superman career boost faded, he felt pretty humiliated that he had to audition for tiny parts for things he didn't believe in.
Based on the memoirs, if the accident hadn't given his life a giant left turn, it's not easy to say that Reeve would have had a happy existence even without the accident as things were going, at least, continuing as he had with his lowered status in Hollywood.
I think it's just too early to say where Routh's career will go, but I sure hope whether he stays in Hollywood or not, that he adapts well, and never becomes a bitter broken spirit that I sometimes see at the celebrity tables at comic conventions. THAT would be sad. He's too young to have that be a certain fate, just because of SR 2 not happening....
|
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,076
|
Post by Metallo on Jun 4, 2012 20:21:32 GMT -5
All those "connections, getting exposure etc." didn't do much for Christopher Reeve's career did they? Actually, he was a respected stage actor and he was professionally trained. His stage work had nothing to do with his zany film choices. I can't imagine Routh turning down all those great roles. (I can't see him turning down a TV movie of the week, but I digress) Except the problem is we are talking about Routh and Reeves overall careers as actors. Stage and screen. Not as actors in one particular area but as actors in general and how doing something can help their overall careers. Reeve was a pretty experienced stage actor. Did it help his overall career in the long run? Not as much as I'm sure even HE would have liked. Doing that kind of work made him a better actor but Routh should get as much experience as he can wherever he can but doing one thing in particular is no guarentee. Theres no reason Routh should be singled out as far as what he should and shouldn't do when plenty of other actors have and haven't and it may or may not have made a difference. Including other Supermen. Was it the theater "exposure and connections" that got Reeve some post Superman choices early in his career or was it the fame from Superman? It was the fame from Superman. Reeve himself said he got offered stuff that was action oriented and commercial and not always quality because of Superman. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 20:30:46 GMT -5
Don't quote me on this but I'm sure Reeve was offered Arnie's part in 'The Running Man'
Something I just can't imagine atall
|
|
Metallo
New Member
The worlds finest heroes
Posts: 17,076
|
Post by Metallo on Jun 4, 2012 20:34:50 GMT -5
He was. Only way that would have worked is if it had a totally different tone. If it wasn't I can see why he may have turned it down.
He was supposedly offered the Viper part in Top Gun. Not sure how true that is.
Most of these kinds of roles were action oriented parts that he got considered for--because of Superman.
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 5, 2012 1:17:02 GMT -5
I agree- it doesn't seem that anything is a guarantee (outside of buying the studio outright) to getting the position to pick and choose movies as you'd like. It's hard to know what goes through a producer's mind, but for sure, the theatre community is a bit exclusive--- for those Hollywood directors at that time (there seems to be less now than then) who came from the theatre, Reeve having grown up in the theatre definitely couldn't have hurt.
Does Routh NEED to do theatre?
It couldn't hurt.... but then again, who knows what his financial situation is and what's really needed to stay afloat (For all we know, he could be doing other jobs not related to Hollywood like Nuclear Man did for his future).
Given all the seeming certainty for a greenlight for a sequel and a good paycheck for that sequel (I don't think it was a pay or play contract).... who knows how fast that money could have went, expecting a phone call for the sequel?
I have a feeling "Dylan Dog" and the lacrosse film were the 'indie' films that he was doing to alternate between the Superman films initially... not exactly studio tentpole films with hefty paychecks...
|
|
atp
New Member
Resident Troll
Posts: 6,823 
|
Post by atp on Jun 5, 2012 2:58:23 GMT -5
I thought Routh was as good as anyone could have been in SR (outside of Christopher Reeve obviously). And he seems like a fine person in real life too.
It's a shame he was let down by a movie that was so poorly made. It's not his fault that the writing and editing was so bad, or that many of the other actors were disappointing.
It's also a disgrace that Superman/Clark almost felt like a guest star in SR. Most of the movie seems to revolve around Lois+Richard and Lex.
|
|
|
|
Post by Paul (ral) on Jun 5, 2012 4:19:30 GMT -5
I think Reeve's career was going through a renaissance before his accident. He wasn't in anything noteworthy and then Remains of the Day came along. People were talking about him again.
He may not have been in any blockbusters after that but the Black Fox movies where a step up and offered more exposure than previous stuff in recent years.
I also can't help but think that given the wave of movies with character driven ensemble casts and folks like Tarantino on the horizon...that perhaps Reeves career may have had a boost.
|
|
Conor
New Member
Posts: 1,569
|
Post by Conor on Jun 5, 2012 5:47:17 GMT -5
I think Reeve would be in some TV show playing a regular support character had he lived and not been in a wheelchair and only appearing sporadically in movies. He'd be supporting in movies too and the ones he'd be lead would be B movie.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jack Tripper on Jun 6, 2012 21:02:00 GMT -5
I bought a replica "S" emblem when the movie came out that I've been waiting forever to have him sign. Hopefully he does a New York or New Jersey show. He should do New York Comic Con.
|
|
